Woody Paige: "Go Get Shanahan Right Now..."

[ajk23az]

1. Holmgren
2. Gruden
3. Shanahan
4. Cowher

 

[Hostile]

Dave Campo was 5-11 for 3 straight seasons. Did he get axed in mid season?

Wade is here for the 2009 season. It is the last year of his contract. There has been no effort to renew his deal and I don't think there will be any offer.

While I do think Shanahan and Holmgren and Gruden are all decent candidates to come here I think Jerry will follow the recent NFL trend and get a first time guy like the Falcons, Ravens, Broncos, Jets, Saints, etc.

Hate to tell you all that, because I'm no Wade fan. But I don't see a mid season coaching change.

 

[theebs]

Dave Campo was 5-11 for 3 straight seasons. Did he get axed in mid season?

Wade is here for the 2009 season. It is the last year of his contract. There has been no effort to renew his deal and I don't think there will be any offer.

While I do think Shanahan and Holmgren and Gruden are all decent candidates to come here I think Jerry will follow the recent NFL trend and get a first time guy like the Falcons, Ravens, Broncos, Jets, Saints, etc.

Hate to tell you all that, because I'm no Wade fan. But I don't see a mid season coaching change.

I do agree with that.

The one thing that makes me pause with the idea though is the fact that those campo teams were awful with no hope and no promise.

This team right now maybe could be one of those teams that reacts positively to a change because we have enough talent to compete each week.

I still dont see it. There is no one to run this defense and wade seems to be getting that under control. Plus no coach that has taken over during the season has ever even made the playoffs, not that this group looks to be able to do that either though.

but their is a side of me that loathes jerry that thinks he wouldnt do it because he wouldnt get to grandstand and hold the leagues attention in october like he can in january when Dallas is off the radar and lets face it that is as important to him as anything.

 

[DallasDomination]

I'm down on two knees right now baby jesus....Please give us Shany

No to Wade
No to Garrett

 

[Doomsday]

Firing Wade right now sounds great but he is also the defensive coordinator so it wont happen. There isnt anyone on the staff right now that can take over those duties.

 

[es22]

i like Shanahan also, and Cowher, but i tell you what, this idea of Jon Gruden is really growing on me lately.

i just think we need a little bit of Chucky to light a fire, b/c i said it in a couple of threads yesterday that i just don't see any emotion to fire guys up when things aren't going well.

I absolutely love Chucky!!!! He is passionate, an offensive coach and a young Parcells. He would be here long term.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

On Around the Horn, Paige says to not let this marinate till the end of the year before making a change. Says we need to go out and get Shanahan right now because he has had success with quarterbacks in the past.

I'd like to avoid all the posts saying "Paige is a hack/idiot/moron" if possible. I just wanna see what people think about making a coaching change right now to get this ship on track???

As long as the owner/pseudoGM is just that, I don't think any coaching change will result in anything but the same old crudola every year. The Parcells experiment proved that to me.

 

[theebs]

Firing Wade right now sounds great but he is also the defensive coordinator so it wont happen. There isnt anyone on the staff right now that can take over those duties.

what the heck is this "also" stuff. That is what he is.

Like mike lombardi said about this organization, we just have middle managers with no real control.

 

[jobberone]

Does everyone realize the Shanahan won only 1 playoff game from 1999 to the time he was fired? 1 playoff win in 10 years. In that same time frame, Denver only one the division once and had three first round losses as a wild card team. In the past 10 years, he had 6 seasons below 10 wins and 4 at .500 or worse.

He won two Super Bowls because he had one of the best QBs of all time, one of the best TEs of all time and two pro bowl WRs, all of whom were there before Shanahan came into town.

Shanahan is a good coach, there's no doubt about that, but he's not the savior that people think he'd be.

Thank you. Said it much better than I could.

I think they should go with Cowher or a younger coach. Gruden I wouldn't get too upset about but Id prefer he not be the choice. Holgrem is too long in the tooth. We need some piss and vinegar a young guy can bring. Somebody to put Jerry in his place.

 

[Doomsday]

what the heck is this "also" stuff. That is what he is.

Like mike lombardi said about this organization, we just have middle managers with no real control.

I just meant in addition to the "title" of head coach.

 

[theebs]

I just meant in addition to the "title" of head coach.

I know....

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Shanahan is a good coach, there's no doubt about that, but he's not the savior that people think he'd be.

Non, mis ami.

Not a savior.
A disciplinarian.
Other than that, this assemblage of talent can operate on cruise control if the discipline comes.

And like you said, Shanny is a good coach.

 

[chinch]

firing tecmo makes much, much more sense than wade mid-season.

it could actually provide a tangible improvement, given our two losses are mostly a result of his total ineptitude & neglect. more will come.

jerry already undercut wade by not extending the cupcake, every player and locker room janitor knows wade is gone-baby-gone. at least the defense plays OK for portions of the game. if only we had an oc who values football basics such as ball control. :laugh2:

 

[windward]

Watch Jerry pull a swerve and name DeCamillis Head Coach after he axes Wade.

In the offseason.

 

[USMarineVet]

I've had it with Wade Phillips myself. But I was never a fan of moving coaching personnel during the season. My top 3 are Cowher, Chucky and Holmgren.

 

[RainMan]

Firing Wade right now sounds great but he is also the defensive coordinator so it wont happen. There isnt anyone on the staff right now that can take over those duties.

Wade is obviously much smarter than any of us gave him credit for. While we're laughing at his mind-numbing press conferences and even more mind-numbing Twitter offerings, he went out and made himself the most irreplaceable man on this staff by firing his coordinator and taking the job himself.

Who'da thunk?

 

[Fletch]

i like Shanahan also, and Cowher, but i tell you what, this idea of Jon Gruden is really growing on me lately.

i just think we need a little bit of Chucky to light a fire, b/c i said it in a couple of threads yesterday that i just don't see any emotion to fire guys up when things aren't going well.

Jon Gruden would be my first choice, followed by Bill Cowher. Shanahan was my pick awhile back, but not so sure anymore.

I'd definitely take Gruden though.

 

[Randy White]

Does everyone realize the Shanahan won only 1 playoff game from 1999 to the time he was fired? 1 playoff win in 10 years. In that same time frame, Denver only one the division once and had three first round losses as a wild card team. In the past 10 years, he had 6 seasons below 10 wins and 4 at .500 or worse.

He won two Super Bowls because he had one of the best QBs of all time, one of the best TEs of all time and two pro bowl WRs, all of whom were there before Shanahan came into town.

Shanahan is a good coach, there's no doubt about that, but he's not the savior that people think he'd be.

and he was in charged of EVERYTHING, so there's no one else to put that blame on.

 

[masomenos]

Non, mis ami.

Not a savior.
A disciplinarian.
Other than that, this assemblage of talent can operate on cruise control if the discipline comes.

And like you said, Shanny is a good coach.

With the limited success we had under the previous disciplinarian (Parcells), I'm tempted to say that this assemblage of talent cannot run on cruise control. In fact, I believe that our talent level is overstated. With that in mind and combined with the seemingly impossible expectations of fans, I don't know that there are many coaches that could really have the kind of success we're looking for.

I would be excited if Shannahan came in as the next guy, simply because I respect him as a coach, but I wouldn't think he would come in and be a lock for a playoff win in his first 3 years like a lot of people are assuming.

 

[Randy White]

While I do think Shanahan and Holmgren and Gruden are all decent candidates to come here I think Jerry will follow the recent NFL trend and get a first time guy like the Falcons, Ravens, Broncos, Jets, Saints, etc.
.

If I was in charge, I'd certainly go that way. I'd hire a young, up and coming HC, and stick with him through thick and thin. Get back to how this franchise was orginally founded: GM - Player Personnel - Head Coach. Three different people who can work together but would not step on the other's role.

Since I'm not in charge and the Jerrathor is, here's why I disagree with your premise somewhat.

He needs that stadium filled at least through the next two years before he can begrudgedinly admit we're going to start rebuilding. Bringing in a new guy is not going to turn this particular team around because it's best players are at a career stage where they're not young guys anymore ( they're not old either ) therefor, they're not going to be as " open minded " as they were when Tuna started all of this. In other words, the fear of losing their jobs is gone.

Once again, I believe the Jerrathor is going to bite his tongue and give up some power in order to bring a vet coach who could bring back the disciplined that has been eroding since Tuna left. I'm not saying bring Tuna back, that bridge has already been burned and even if he wanted to coach again ( which he doesn't ) his threats would fall on deaf ears. Somebody like Cowher ( who should be the first choice ) or even Holmgren, signed to a 3 - 5 years contract at roughly 7 - 10 millions with SOME personnel power. Somebody who has enough sand in their saddle bags to get in this players faces when they make stupid penalties. Somebody who will toughen this bunch up, mentally and physically. Starting with the QB. Even if most of the tough guy act it's just perception and not reality.

Jerrathor has way too much money invested on that stadium, and this team for that matter, to turn it over to an inexperienced guy. He needs the name AND reputation.