Would Giants fans rank Romo over Eli

[jobberone]

Eli may or may not make it to the HOF. The defining question is who would start over the other were they on the same team speaking in general all other variables being relatively close.

 

[dallasdave]

Does Dilfer have 2 super mvp rings? Did Dilfer play like Montanta in the playoffs? No? Then why are we using Dilfer as a comparison to Eli again? I can't stand Eli but that dude lit it up on those super bowl runs and came through in crunch time. Sure, he had a fantastic defense but he more than did his part too. Romo is the better regular season QB and is more athletic etc, however, Eli is the more accomplished QB. Eli will no doubt make the Hall of Fame. Romo needs to play out of his mind in the playoffs and help lead our team to the super bowl to make the Hall.

Romo does need to play out of his mind, cause we need a Super Bowl win this year. Go Cowboys get that 6th ring.

 

[zack]

Romo does need to play out of his mind, cause we need a Super Bowl win this year. Go Cowboys get that 6th ring.

I say that "if" Romo wins he will be mentioned with the guys they always talk about right now as top qbs. I also think that he triumphs Eli's two ring accomplishments because he is the far more consistent QB.

 

[Rogah]

I don't see any impartial analysis concluding that Eli is better than Romo. I'd guess about half of Giants fans would grudgingly admit Romo is the better QB, and half would cling to Eli based on his postseason success.

 

[dallasdave]

I say that "if" Romo wins he will be mentioned with the guys they always talk about right now as top qbs. I also think that he triumphs Eli's two ring accomplishments because he is the far more consistent QB.

If and I said If Romo could lead the Cowboys to a Super Bowl victory this year and next year, then he gets in the talk of the great ones. I know back to back is hard, but hey it does not cost anything to dream.

 

[percyhoward]

Does Dilfer have 2 super mvp rings? Did Dilfer play like Montanta in the playoffs? No? Then why are we using Dilfer as a comparison to Eli again?

Because a lot of people don't remember Jim Plunkett.

Super Bowl record
Plunkett 2-0
Eli 2-0

SB rating (pts above league avg)
Plunkett +51.1
Eli +12.7

playoff record
Plunkett 8-2
Eli 8-3

playoff rating (pts above league avg)
Plunkett +10.2
Eli +5.9

Top 10 seasons in passer rating
Plunkett 2
Eli 1

That last one is the reason that those who do remember Plunkett, didn't put him in the Hall of Fame.

 

[ufcrules1]

Because a lot of people don't remember Jim Plunkett.

Super Bowl record
Plunkett 2-0
Eli 2-0

SB rating (pts above league avg)
Plunkett +51.1
Eli +12.7

playoff record
Plunkett 8-2
Eli 8-3

playoff rating (pts above league avg)
Plunkett +10.2
Eli +5.9

Top 10 seasons in passer rating
Plunkett 2
Eli 1

That last one is the reason that those who do remember Plunkett, didn't put him in the Hall of Fame.

First off, Plunkett and Dilfer are not the same person, so I'm not sure what your point was there. Comparing Dilfer to Eli is ridiculous as my first post pointed out. Even comparing Dilfer to Plunkett is ridiculous. Many people out there think Plunkett should have made the hall of fame and Eli is much more accomplished than Plunkett. Here are some more interesting stats below. I don't think there is anyway Eli doesn't make the Hall.



Pro Bowls
Eli- 3
Plunkett 0

Career QB rating
Eli 82.4
Plunkett 67.5

TD-INT Ratio
Eli 259-185
Plunkett 164-198


NFL records;
Eli- 5
Plunkett 0

• Most 4th-quarter touchdown passes in a season (15 in 2011)
• Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards in 2011)
• Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8 in 2011)
• Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
• Most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 yards in 2011)

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If and I said If Romo could lead the Cowboys to a Super Bowl victory this year and next year, then he gets in the talk of the great ones. I know back to back is hard, but hey it does not cost anything to dream.

If that happens I will send you a case of beer of your choice!
If not beer, then wine....mid not wine.... Bottle of boos.

If non of the above. A case of Poland spring.

Yes.
Serious.

Very serious.

Save this post! ;-)

 

[dallasdave]

If that happens I will send you a case of beer of your choice!
If not beer, then wine....mid not wine.... Bottle of boos.

If non of the above. A case of Poland spring.

Yes.
Serious.

Very serious.

Save this post! ;-)

Hey, I take you up on that, and hope it comes true, and not just for the free beer. I have been watching the Cowboys since before their first Super Bowl victory, and it's been a long wait again for a Super Bowl win. PS-- I like blue moon beer.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because a lot of people don't remember Jim Plunkett.

Super Bowl record
Plunkett 2-0
Eli 2-0

SB rating (pts above league avg)
Plunkett +51.1
Eli +12.7

playoff record
Plunkett 8-2
Eli 8-3

playoff rating (pts above league avg)
Plunkett +10.2
Eli +5.9

Top 10 seasons in passer rating
Plunkett 2
Eli 1

That last one is the reason that those who do remember Plunkett, didn't put him in the Hall of Fame.

The difference between Plunkett and Eli, IMO, will be where they played. Eli plays in NY. There is a reason he held out and demanded a trade from San Diego when he was drafted. While the numbers may tell a story, the media and the market will help Eli a great deal. Look at Joe Namath. His numbers were not all that great but, he made it into the Hall of Fame. If he had played in Minnesota, for example, I don't think that happens.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Hey, I take you up on that, and hope it comes true, and not just for the free beer. I have been watching the Cowboys since before their first Super Bowl victory, and it's been a long wait again for a Super Bowl win. PS-- I like blue moon beer.

Done.

And... I go to a game once a year... Giants vs dallas. Maybe see you there

 

[ufcrules1]

Done.

And... I go to a game once a year... Giants vs dallas. Maybe see you there

You 2 should split a hotel room too.. I kid I kid..

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You 2 should split a hotel room too.. I kid I kid..

Well... If you are into that sort thing. Go for it. Not my cup of tea though...

I kid. I kid... Too

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well... If you are into that sort thing. Go for it. Not my cup of tea though...

I kid. I kid... Too

You don't even drink tea Redvolution!

 

[percyhoward]

@ufcrules1
The reason I bring up Plunkett is that I think Eli is basically Plunkett 2.0. If you compare their performances season-by-season, they are virtually the same player. Take their five best seasons, and Plunkett's average rank in passer rating was 11th. Eli's is 12th so far. (Two of Eli's three Pro Bowl selections were when he was the 14th- and 15th-rated passer that year, so Eli's 3-0 edge in Pro Bowls is not a reflection of the quality of his play relative to Plunkett.)

And you do have to compare their rankings instead of their raw numbers, because you're comparing across eras. Passer ratings were 20 points lower in Plunkett's era, which more than negates the 15 points that separate them. Same with TD/INT ratio, which basically flip-flops from 1978 to 2008. That's why Plunkett's career compared to his peers slightly better than Eli's has to his peers so far. Bottom line is that performance-wise, a slightly-above average QB playing lights out in a couple of playoff runs and getting a couple of rings is nothing new.

While the numbers may tell a story, the media and the market will help Eli a great deal.

Sure. Eli has two big things going for him that are completely unrelated to his performance on the field -- his last name, and where he plays.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

@ufcrules1
The reason I bring up Plunkett is that I think Eli is basically Plunkett 2.0. If you compare their performances season-by-season, they are virtually the same player. Take their five best seasons, and Plunkett's average rank in passer rating was 11th. Eli's is 12th so far. (Two of Eli's three Pro Bowl selections were when he was the 14th- and 15th-rated passer that year, so Eli's 3-0 edge in Pro Bowls is not a reflection of the quality of his play relative to Plunkett.)

And you do have to compare their rankings instead of their raw numbers, because you're comparing across eras. Passer ratings were 20 points lower in Plunkett's era, which more than negates the 15 points that separate them. Same with TD/INT ratio, which basically flip-flops from 1978 to 2008. That's why Plunkett's career compared to his peers slightly better than Eli's has to his peers so far. Bottom line is that performance-wise, a slightly-above average QB playing lights out in a couple of playoff runs and getting a couple of rings is nothing new.

I don't think Plunkett was a bad player. I don't think he was an all time great but he was a decent QB IMO. Would have been much, much better had he went somewhere other then NE and then SF. He was the Heisman trophy winner, the number 1 player in the draft, the ROY, the Comback POY, 2 time SB Champ and SB MVP. He was not a bad player IMO. He just was not an all time great.


Sure. Eli has two big things going for him that are completely unrelated to his performance on the field -- his last name, and where he plays.[/quote]

I agree.

 

[CCBoy]

Washington and Giant fans looking for an advantage: Yea, my Pop will come out and beat yours to a pulp!

 

[ufcrules1]

I don't think Plunkett was a bad player. I don't think he was an all time great but he was a decent QB IMO. Would have been much, much better had he went somewhere other then NE and then SF. He was the Heisman trophy winner, the number 1 player in the draft, the ROY, the Comback POY, 2 time SB Champ and SB MVP. He was not a bad player IMO. He just was not an all time great.


Sure. Eli has two big things going for him that are completely unrelated to his performance on the field -- his last name, and where he plays.

I agree.[/quote]

I too agree about Plunkett that he was a good player. It is debateable if he deserves to be in the hall. Also, he played on some really bad teams before joining the Raiders, so that impacted his numbers as well.

 

[percyhoward]

Among players in the Hall of Fame who were known primarily as a quarterback, only Namath (generally recognized as the least-deserving HOF QB) had fewer than 5 top-10 seasons in passer rating. This puts Plunkett's 2 and Eli's 1 (so far) into perspective.

Every QB with More Than Five
Seasons Among Top 10 Passers
(adjusted for league sizes)
Peyton Manning (15) 1999-2010, 2012-14
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (12) 2001-07, 09-12, 2014
Sammy Baugh (10) 1937, 40-45, 47-49
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Y.A. Tittle (9) 1948, 52-54, 56, 57, 61-63
Ben Roethlisberger (9) 2004-05, 07, 09-14
Drew Brees (9) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-14
Otto Graham (8) 1947, 49-54, 55
Charlie Conerly (8) 1948-49, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (8) 1950-53, 55, 57, 59-60
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Tony Romo (8) 2006-09, 11-14
Bart Starr (7) 1957, 60, 62-66
Bob Griese (7) 1968, 71, 73-74, 76-78
Roger Staubach (7) 1971, 73, 75-79
Mark Brunell (7) 1996-98, 2000-02, 06
Aaron Rodgers (7) 2008-14
Bob Waterfield (6) 1945-46, 1948-51
Sonny Jurgensen (6) 1961, 64, 66-67, 69-70
John Hadl (6) 1964-67, 70, 73
Terry Bradshaw (6) 1975, 77-79, 81-82
Dave Krieg (6) 1983-84, 86-88, 91
Troy Aikman (6) 1991-95, 98
Kurt Warner (6) 1999-2001, 07-09

HOF QB with 5 or fewer Top-10 Seasons
Sid Luckman (5) 1943-47
Bobby Layne (5) 1950, 53-55, 58
John Elway (5) 1983-84, 86-88
Jim Kelly (5) 1986, 89-90, 91, 94
Warren Moon (5) 1988-90, 92, 95
Joe Namath (4) 1965, 1967-69