Would Giants fans rank Romo over Eli

[DFWJC]

The salt from Cowboys fans when Eli Manning is inducted into the HOF while Romo is basically a joke candidate is going to be hilarious.

Oh there's that stench again.
I think possibly you soiled your Eli super hero undies

 

[Hardline]

Who's the better QB?
Marino or Dilfer?

Romo being Marino and Eli being Dilfer.

 

[PoundTheRock]

Eli Manning 7.1 YPA, 59 comp %
Trent Dilfer 6.5 YPA, 55.5 comp %

These are not remotely comparable QBs, but believe what you must. Eli's numbers are skewed unfavorably too because he actually had to play his first few years in the league because he had the talent to be selected with a high pick. His numbers rate stats are probably closer to Romo's without those early years weighing him down.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Eli Manning 7.1 YPA, 59 comp %
Trent Dilfer 6.5 YPA, 55.5 comp %

These are not remotely comparable QBs, but believe what you must. Eli's numbers are skewed unfavorably too because he actually had to play his first few years in the league because he had the talent to be selected with a high pick. His numbers rate stats are probably closer to Romo's without those early years weighing him down.

Well that's a new one, Eli's mediocrity can be explained away because he was drafted so high! His stats were dragged down by playing on teams with records of (his first 4 years as a starter) 11-5, 8-8, 10-6 and 12-4! How could I have missed it... I guess he was a diamond among trash. You always learn something new with the poundtherock troll.

 

[PoundTheRock]

Nobody said anything about the quality of his teams. I simply said he was out there playing in games rather than sitting on the bench developing like Romo.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Nobody said anything about the quality of his teams. I simply said he was out there playing in games rather than sitting on the bench developing like Romo.

No, you left out that he was out there playing with great teams but still playing well below average. Compare to Big Ben (from the same draft) who hopped on the field and immediately helped the team to a 15-1 record. And countless others, most great QBs are great from day one despite your paper thin excuses. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[CCBoy]

Kind of a trick question from the start...'Big Blue' has to hand onto old print of dominance, every chance it gets. If only the New York minute wasn't biting them in the arse all the time.

 

[coogrfan]

Nobody said anything about the quality of his teams. I simply said he was out there playing in games rather than sitting on the bench developing like Romo.

For the record, Eli has led the league in passes intercepted three times in his career (twice since 2010). He has also failed to finish a season with a 90+ qb rating 8 times in 11 seasons.

 

[gbrittain]

Eli Manning 7.1 YPA, 59 comp %
Trent Dilfer 6.5 YPA, 55.5 comp %

These are not remotely comparable QBs, but believe what you must. Eli's numbers are skewed unfavorably too because he actually had to play his first few years in the league because he had the talent to be selected with a high pick. His numbers rate stats are probably closer to Romo's without those early years weighing him down.

Interesting. If you get rid of Eli's first three years worth of stats his numbers are 60.4 comp %, 7.3 yards per attempt, and a QB rating of 82.1 compared to Romo's entire career of 65.2 comp %, 7.9 yards per attempt, and a 97.6 QB rating.

You have Eli Manning 7.1 YPA and 59 comp % as not even remotely comparable to Trent Dilfer's 6.5 YPA and 55.5 comp%. That is a difference of .6 YPA and 3.5 comp %. Romo's career vs Eli's career minus first three years produces a difference of .6 YPA and 4.8 comp %.

So yeah, I guess you just proved that Eli is not remotely comparable to Romo even when I get to remove Eli's first three years.

 

[PoundTheRock]

I think his dominance over Romo in big games and his 2 championships more than makes up that difference. That's just me and the voters that will elect Eli Manning as a HOFer though.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think his dominance over Romo in big games and his 2 championships more than makes up that difference. That's just me and the voters that will elect Eli Manning as a HOFer though.

Eli is 8-3 in playoff games. That's a hard stat to ignore. I know it's a team game and that plays into a lot of it but that's not what writers look at. They point to the Super Bowls and the Playoffs and rate them accordingly.

 

[Doomsday101]

Eli is 8-3 in playoff games. That's a hard stat to ignore. I know it's a team game and that plays into a lot of it but that's not what writers look at. They point to the Super Bowls and the Playoffs and rate them accordingly.

Right but writers are simple minded creatures to begin with. I think Eli is a good QB but I will also say he is one of the most inconsistent QB I have seen.
In what I feel is the ultimate team sports to put it for the most part all on the QB yet no other position in which we grade them by overall performance seems a bit off to me. For me I tend to grade QB by performance as I do all other positions that is not to say I don't take winning into account I do

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Right but writers are simple minded creatures to begin with. I think Eli is a good QB but I will also say he is one of the most inconsistent QB I have seen.
In what I feel is the ultimate team sports to put it for the most part all on the QB yet no other position in which we grade them by overall performance seems a bit off to me. For me I tend to grade QB by performance as I do all other positions that is not to say I don't take winning into account I do

There are good writers and there are bad writers. I'd say there are more bad ones then good ones but that's here nor there. The question of NY Fans is relevant to writers only because, in NY, you have some many of them and they drive the opinions of other media sources all around the country. Everybody knows that opinions, especially in sports, has such a strong east coast bias it's hard to have honest comparisons on things. Eli is always going to get the nod over Tony because of those two things (assuming Tony is unable to match him) and the fact that Eli plays in NY. It's just a fact of NFL Life.

 

[Doomsday101]

There are good writers and there are bad writers. I'd say there are more bad ones then good ones but that's here nor there. The question of NY Fans is relevant to writers only because, in NY, you have some many of them and they drive the opinions of other media sources all around the country. Everybody knows that opinions, especially in sports, has such a strong east coast bias it's hard to have honest comparisons on things. Eli is always going to get the nod over Tony because of those two things (assuming Tony is unable to match him) and the fact that Eli plays in NY. It's just a fact of NFL Life.

True fans be it NY or any where will give the nod to their guy, myself again I take more into account, the overall play of any player. If the question was Rodgers or Romo without a doubt I would say Rodgers but the ring has little to do with it, it is the overall and consistent play at a high level that I look at.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

True fans be it NY or any where will give the nod to their guy, myself again I take more into account, the overall play of any player. If the question was Rodgers or Romo without a doubt I would say Rodgers but the ring has little to do with it, it is the overall and consistent play at a high level that I look at.

To put an even finer point on it, if the question were, "Who do I think is a better QB?"

As I said earlier in this thread (seems like a long time ago now), I personally don't think Eli is better, but the question is specific to Giants fans. I mean, there is literally no way Tony could come out ahead on that question, even if he had twice as many Super Bowls and twice as many playoff wins. Giants fans are never going to say Romo is better. That's just not even realistic.

 

[Doomsday101]

To put an even finer point on it, if the question were, "Who do I think is a better QB?"

As I said earlier in this thread (seems like a long time ago now), I personally don't think Eli is better, but the question is specific to Giants fans. I mean, there is literally no way Tony could come out ahead on that question, even if he had twice as many Super Bowls and twice as many playoff wins. Giants fans are never going to say Romo is better. That's just not even realistic.

Overall you are right, now Eli continue to have the seasons he has had the last 2 years there could be a lot fewer Giant fans saying that. lol

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Overall you are right, now Eli continue to have the seasons he has had the last 2 years there could be a lot fewer Giant fans saying that. lol

I think there could be a lot more NY fans calling for the head of Eli, I think that's true. However, I don't think they would back Tony. That's what I love about rivalries. Your guy may be dog crap but don't try and get the fans to admit that to a rival fan base.

 

[percyhoward]

Eli is 8-3 in playoff games. That's a hard stat to ignore. I know it's a team game and that plays into a lot of it but that's not what writers look at. They point to the Super Bowls and the Playoffs and rate them accordingly.

If you compare top QB with less than stellar postseason W-L records to lesser QB with winning records in the postseason, you'll see how writers rate them.

Hall of Fame
(no rings)
Fouts
playoff record: 3-4
top 10 seasons: 8
Moon
playoff record: 3-7
top 10 seasons: 6
Marino
playoff record: 8-10
Top 10 seasons: 12

Not
(all have rings)
Plunkett
playoff record: 8-2
Top 10 seasons: 2
McMahon
playoff record: 6-4
Top 10 seasons: 2
Rypien
playoff record: 5-3
top 10 seasons: 2

 

[jobberone]

There is a difference in those who vote on entrance to the HOF not the general sports writers. Their not perfect but generally better than your average bear.

 

[ufcrules1]

Who's the better QB?
Marino or Dilfer?

Romo being Marino and Eli being Dilfer.

Does Dilfer have 2 super mvp rings? Did Dilfer play like Montanta in the playoffs? No? Then why are we using Dilfer as a comparison to Eli again? I can't stand Eli but that dude lit it up on those super bowl runs and came through in crunch time. Sure, he had a fantastic defense but he more than did his part too. Romo is the better regular season QB and is more athletic etc, however, Eli is the more accomplished QB. Eli will no doubt make the Hall of Fame. Romo needs to play out of his mind in the playoffs and help lead our team to the super bowl to make the Hall.