Would you consider this band "talented"?

[Nova]

Yes. They are talented.

People want to make the word 'talent' more subjective than what it is.

Some typically do not want to deem someone talented because of personal preference.

If they don't cite a legitimate reason why the artist is untalented, hen they just aren't challenging themselves to look beyond superficialalties.

 

[RastaRocket]

Muse is awesome

 

[Nova]

Are you sure that 4 octaves is an impressive range? If his range is 4 octaves I don't believe that's huge. My daughter sings and isn't renowned for her range and I asked her what her range was and she said it was likely 4 or so. I know that there are people out there with a reported 7 octave range.

Maybe you got the number wrong, but if it really is 4 that's fairly mundane for someone who's a professional. The one caveat is that my daughter sings classical and opera, so that's what I'm referencing, and it's possible that in pop music 4 is less ordinary.

4 octaves is certainly very impressive.

Two things are very important to note when discussing this feat of range.
1. It's not just about hitting the highest and lowest note; it's all the notes between.
2. Range becomes exponentially more difficult with each added octave. You'll see what I mean by the examples below.

1 - 1.5 octaves = normal voice
2 Octaves = Taylor Swift
3 Octaves = Whitney Houston.
4 Octaves = Freddy Mercury.
5 Octaves = highly praised and renowned pop voice Mariah Carey.

6 Octaves is opera territory, and more than that is insanity.

 

[DFWJC]

4 octaves is certainly very impressive.

Two things are very important to note when discussing this feat of range.
1. It's not just about hitting the highest and lowest note; it's all the notes between.
2. Range becomes exponentially more difficult with each added octave. You'll see what I mean by the examples below.

1 - 1.5 octaves = normal voice
2 Octaves = Taylor Swift
3 Octaves = Whitney Houston.
4 Octaves = Freddy Mercury.
5 Octaves = highly praised and renowned pop voice Mariah Carey.

6 Octaves is opera territory, and more than that is insanity.

Fwiw, I think Houston was considered 4 octaves I get as well (though she mostly sand in 3)

Other famous 4 octaves
...
Christina Aguilera
Chris Cornell
Rita Moss
Roy Orbison
Etc

 

[JDSmith]

4 octaves is certainly very impressive.

Two things are very important to note when discussing this feat of range.
1. It's not just about hitting the highest and lowest note; it's all the notes between.
2. Range becomes exponentially more difficult with each added octave. You'll see what I mean by the examples below.

1 - 1.5 octaves = normal voice
2 Octaves = Taylor Swift
3 Octaves = Whitney Houston.
4 Octaves = Freddy Mercury.
5 Octaves = highly praised and renowned pop voice Mariah Carey.

6 Octaves is opera territory, and more than that is insanity.

I hear people throw around numbers, but I don't know what they actually mean in real terms. My 15 year old daughter performed 'The Last Rose of Summer' at her high school talent show a few months ago, and I noticed that her range seemed improved from the last talent show a year ago. But I can't tell a 2 octave range from a 6 octave range. So can anyone tell me what her range is in this song? I guess it's just a matter of matching the notes and counting, but I don't get that stuff at all - she's always throwing g4 and a3 and a bunch of other meaningless crap at me.



BTW, I've had this video up for almost 2 months and it's been viewed a whopping 45 times. Apparently you need views and likes to get moved up the search list - which of course means you will only get views and likes if you already have them and people can find you.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I've been to alot of shows, big and small, all genres and there are a bunch of bands that do a great live show, but hands down the best live show I've ever been to was George Clinton and The P-Funk All-Stars. The full Parliament/Funkadelic stage show is surreal, dozens of musicians, dancers, singers, performers, it's spiritual, political, funny, crazy, it's a sensory overload. When the Mothership lands on stage and Dr. Funkenstein emerges and pimp walks down to the stage..... It's a life altering experience.

"Ain't no party like a P-funk party cause a P-Funk party don't stop."

Ha! Danged hippies and their devil music!




I don't know if that's Eddie Hazel or Michael Hampton on guitar, but whichever, they're just killing it.

 

[WhizKid]

Ha! Danged hippies and their devil music!




I don't know if that's Eddie Hazel or Michael Hampton on guitar, but whichever, they're just killing it.

Maggot Brain Eddie Hazel solo is one of my faves. Sampled to death today. System of Down is one of my favorite live bands. I went to one of their shows years ago and I want more. Earth Wind Fire is a great live band they have a great range of instruments and the lead singer has so many octaves that he hits.

 

[thinwhiteduke]

Yes. They are talented.

People want to make the word 'talent' more subjective than what it is.

Some typically do not want to deem someone talented because of personal preference.

If they don't cite a legitimate reason why the artist is untalented, hen they just aren't challenging themselves to look beyond superficialalties.

talented maybe but still sounds generic-first post.

THIS is the greatest band in the history of mankind !..they are so great,they named their second album 'Greatest Hits' LOL

 

[Roadtrip635]

Ha! Danged hippies and their devil music!




I don't know if that's Eddie Hazel or Michael Hampton on guitar, but whichever, they're just killing it.

Pretty sure that's Eddie Hazel in that clip and he is tearing it up! Michael Hampton ain't no slouch either. That band was supremely talented on so many levels, they can rock you, rap you and funk you up.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I hear people throw around numbers, but I don't know what they actually mean in real terms. My 15 year old daughter performed 'The Last Rose of Summer' at her high school talent show a few months ago, and I noticed that her range seemed improved from the last talent show a year ago. But I can't tell a 2 octave range from a 6 octave range. So can anyone tell me what her range is in this song? I guess it's just a matter of matching the notes and counting, but I don't get that stuff at all - she's always throwing g4 and a3 and a bunch of other meaningless crap at me.



BTW, I've had this video up for almost 2 months and it's been viewed a whopping 45 times. Apparently you need views and likes to get moved up the search list - which of course means you will only get views and likes if you already have them and people can find you.

I don't know what her range is, but she does have a beautiful voice. Getting more views can be tricky, you have to pad it a little bit, add more tags and keyword, Add more and be more creative in the description. With the popularity of the Pitch Perfect2 movie, something in your description like "Xana with a Pitch Perfect rendition of..." Creative tags and keywords help when people do their searches. Something else that would help is to do your own video shoot at home where you can get a closer view and better sound, without background noises, instead of a far away figure on a stage. You can also record a clean audio track of her singing and then come up with a cool slideshow to go with it. Hope that helps a little bit, but it does deserve more views.

 

[JDSmith]

I don't know what her range is, but she does have a beautiful voice. Getting more views can be tricky, you have to pad it a little bit, add more tags and keyword, Add more and be more creative in the description. With the popularity of the Pitch Perfect2 movie, something in your description like "Xana with a Pitch Perfect rendition of..." Creative tags and keywords help when people do their searches. Something else that would help is to do your own video shoot at home where you can get a closer view and better sound, without background noises, instead of a far away figure on a stage. You can also record a clean audio track of her singing and then come up with a cool slideshow to go with it. Hope that helps a little bit, but it does deserve more views.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to add that 'pitch perfect' to the description. That's a good idea.

Unfortunately I can't implement the rest of your suggestions because the kid is a freakin diva. She only sings on stage, when I couldn't get a clean audio copy of this song from my phone I told her I needed to record a better copy and you would have thought I asked for her kidney. She was horrified that I would even suggest her singing in the house (or studio, I gave that option too). That would have been a major battle, but I managed to pull the audio from her friend's phone so we didn't have to force the issue.

I can't even ask her what her range is in the song because she won't ever listen to it, she'd run screaming from the room if I tried to play it. Maybe she can tell me from memory what notes she hit.

 

[Rogah]

Warning - this is a long, rambly post and I am slightly intoxicated.

#firstworldproblems I'm in an argument with someone from another forum about this right now.

I've always loved British alt-rock band Muse, and have long considered them my favorite band. Understandably in this forum's "song of the day" thread, I've posted quite a few Muse songs recently considering they've just released a new album.

I saw Muse open for U2 in Raleigh about 5 years ago. They were pretty good.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Ha! Danged hippies and their devil music!




I don't know if that's Eddie Hazel or Michael Hampton on guitar, but whichever, they're just killing it.

That sounds like Hazel but agreed whomever it is, is killing it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Fwiw, I think Houston was considered 4 octaves I get as well (though she mostly sand in 3)

Other famous 4 octaves
...
Christina Aguilera
Chris Cornell
Rita Moss
Roy Orbison
Etc

King Diamond.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I don't care about octaves and all that...just care if the singer has a good voice.

SInce I am such a huge Beatles fun I love seeing Paul sing live..he sings and plays for 3 hours which is great for a guy in his 70's...

Steven Tyler is a good singer live as is Bono.

 

[JDSmith]

Found a site called 'the range place' where they really care about range and break down songs and notes. It's a group project with people starting a thread and others contributing to either add or parse notes and when they have a consensus the OP edits the initial post, so I'm inclined to think they have it as right as possible. They list Bellamy at 3 octaves and 3 notes I believe, if I'm counting right. For reference Geoff Tate is 3 octaves and 6 notes, Freddie Mercury is 4 octaves even, David Lee Roth is 4 octaves and 4 notes and Axl Rose is a freakish 5 octaves and 1 note.

I might be counting wrong, but I think that's what they are saying.

So Bellamy has a nice range, but it's hardly amazing when compared to other professional singers.

For anyone interested: http://therangeplace.forummotions.com/f1-range-stuff

 

[JDSmith]

And I enlisted my wife (who has a pitch perfect ear) to figure out the notes my daughter hits in some of the songs she's performed at the talent show and her displayed range is apparently 5 octaves even, which just goes to show that range doesn't really matter much since my daughter couldn't even win a prize at the high school talent show.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Found a site called 'the range place' where they really care about range and break down songs and notes. It's a group project with people starting a thread and others contributing to either add or parse notes and when they have a consensus the OP edits the initial post, so I'm inclined to think they have it as right as possible. They list Bellamy at 3 octaves and 3 notes I believe, if I'm counting right. For reference Geoff Tate is 3 octaves and 6 notes, Freddie Mercury is 4 octaves even, David Lee Roth is 4 octaves and 4 notes and Axl Rose is a freakish 5 octaves and 1 note.

I might be counting wrong, but I think that's what they are saying.

So Bellamy has a nice range, but it's hardly amazing when compared to other professional singers.

For anyone interested: http://therangeplace.forummotions.com/f1-range-stuff

That was a nice website, although after seeing Van Halen the last 2 tours its very hard for me to believe Daves voice is 4 octaves and on the same level as Geoff Tate and Freddie Mercury.

 

[JDSmith]

That was a nice website, although after seeing Van Halen the last 2 tours its very hard for me to believe Daves voice is 4 octaves and on the same level as Geoff Tate and Freddie Mercury.

Yeah, I think they look at the entire body of work for the range. Which means that a guy probably can't ever sing in the full range he's reported to have - the highs will be easier when you are young, but the lows won't be there, then it will shift to a lower register as you age. So It seems that the only way to really measure the range is to have them sing it either on one song or at least over as short a period as possible. When a guy spans 30 years there is likely no point in his career when he can hit the highs from youth and the lows from age.

And mics make a huge difference, I was reading that in opera they only count the notes you can hit with a full voice because you have to be heard over the instruments without a mic. But when a guy can whisper or growl into the mic that's going to create a much broader perceived range.

From what I've been reading it seems like you really only need to have maybe 2 octaves of range, provided that they sound really good. That's all Pavarotti had according to the forum.

 

[Fletch]

Warning - this is a long, rambly post and I am slightly intoxicated.

#firstworldproblems I'm in an argument with someone from another forum about this right now.

I've always loved British alt-rock band Muse, and have long considered them my favorite band. Understandably in this forum's "song of the day" thread, I've posted quite a few Muse songs recently considering they've just released a new album.

Well a certain poster and I have been at war the past, say, 2 months off and on. He doesn't like Muse, in fact, no one there does, and I've come up with several reason why I like Muse. Frontman Matthew Bellamy has an absurd vocal range, is a good guitar player and a gifted piano player, Bassist Christopher Wolstenholme is one of the best bassists of the 21st century, and drummer Dominic Howard is... better than average. They write crazy songs and make nice lyrics, and I just think they're an interesting little band.

But this dude just isn't making sense. I used to like this guy, but one day he slammed Muse and I asked him why he said whatever he said and it's all gone downhill from there. I've posted links and whatnot and tried to explain why I like Muse, and he says they're "overdramatic" and they "suck". He got to the point where today he literally said the words "I don't think Muse is talented". I asked why, said they're a great live band and whatnot, and he said that "Didn't you hear me son? I.. DON'T...BELIEVE...MUSE..HAS...ANY...TALENT"

So I've been talking to this dude for like 2 hours now and he says Muse has no talent, and no video, article or source will change that. It's "his opinion".

Now, I fully understand opinion based things. There are people in this world (aka weirdos) who simply don't like Muse. So I'm asking you this - do you think this band is talented? Not whether you like them or not, but simply if they have even a shred of talent.

(apperently this doesn't take talent)

Muse is very talented. I enjoyed their music. I also like Florence and the Machine. More Alternative.

Doc, that dude you speak of from the other forum is very ignorant. Just check out Muse's accolades over the years and tell me where they lack talent to have accomplished so much.