Would you still want Donald if Marinelli is gone next year?

[Alexander]

An interior pass rusher is necessary whether Rod Marinelli is around or not.

 

[waving monkey]

Well I cant abide the question. First question I ask : are we happy with Marinelli, now and has he had a good reputation as a defensive mind?
Has the 4/3 been a reliable defense around the league?
Have we done our due diligence in regards the staff as a whole?
How much time has been given to this defense?

Let's live in the now.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The Donald fixation is short sighted. It's the draft for need crowd. They want it and want it now.

The problem is the Cowboys will be in another scheme in a few years max and they'll have to find a spot for a player who doesn't fit. Or let the guy walk and chalk up another 1 contract 1st rounder.

We need versatile defenders. Guys who give this team options down the road.

...go against the grain untlil the end...blood will follow blood,




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6tQgvkRjHY

 

[Mrdude108]

Everything I've heard is that he's a scheme specific player and if that's true, I'm not sure if I'd want him or not because he may not be a good fit for the new system unless we just hire coordinators that run the same schemes. If he's BPA though, gotta take him. It's risky but that's the situation with lots of draft picks. He's still really disruptive and who doesn't need that, I'm sure they'd find a way to utilize him regardless.

 

[bodi]

no I I don't even want the guy not - an where is M going

I feel that because of his lack of natural size, he will be best off if used in a rotation. That way he won’t get worn down and will actually make more big plays because he will be rested


Kelcy Quarles - He makes plays versus the run and pass and goes all out every play. He is well coached and knows how to use his hands. For a big guy, he makes a lot of pursuit plays. He has some speed and always takes good angles to the ball.

Quarles is an every down player who can play in both a three man or four man front. His best fit is as a 4-3 defensive tackle. While he won’t go in the first round, I feel he is a second round lock.

 

[waving monkey]

no I I don't even want the guy not - an where is M going

I feel that because of his lack of natural size, he will be best off if used in a rotation. That way he won’t get worn down and will actually make more big plays because he will be rested


Kelcy Quarles - He makes plays versus the run and pass and goes all out every play. He is well coached and knows how to use his hands. For a big guy, he makes a lot of pursuit plays. He has some speed and always takes good angles to the ball.

Quarles is an every down player who can play in both a three man or four man front. His best fit is as a 4-3 defensive tackle. While he won’t go in the first round, I feel he is a second round lock.

Marinelli rotates or something

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I'd rather have Barr in the 1st and Easley in the 2nd.

 

[BAT]

The correct answer is yes. Donald is hands down the best at his position. And those that question his versatility or angst over him being a one scheme only fit have never watched him play or ignoring his success & proven production in multiple schemes.

The next John Randle will not come along every draft. Maybe not even once in 10 years.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Except John Randle wasn't Drafted.


Aaron Donald is a physical freak to make up for his 6.0 284 size, he could fit any 4/3 scheme based on athleticism alone....a pick like Kony Ealy, Hageman or Tuitt could end up being even more versatile with the ability to play inside or outside on passing downs.

 

[Gaede]

I wish we had a philosophy as an organization for defenders. Unfortunately, it changes when we change DCs--which has been a lot in recent years, obviously.

Another consequence of having a trainee head coach--changing your staff every year to save yourself compounds the teams personnel problems

 

[xwalker]

If the Cowboys go 8-8 or worse and Garrett and the coaching staff are fired would you still want Donald this year? He has a high motor and seems to be a great fit for Marinelli's defense. Would Donald be good for other versions of the 4-3? He does not appear to be a great fit for the 3-4.

You will be sad if you're expecting a new DC after 2014.

Even in 4-3 that might normally have bigger DTs, Donald would still be a perfect nickel DT. Teams play about 1/3 of the snaps in nickel and as much as 1/2 in some games. Teams like the Giants that like to go big across the DLine, could play him at DT in the nickel and have him take snaps at SDE in the base defense.

Teams like Seattle play different front/techniques depending on who is in the game. If Red Bryant was at DE they played basically a different scheme than when Avril/Bennett were in the game.

 

[viman96]

I'm not expecting anything. It is a hypothetical question before the draft regarding a high draft pick. Donald has the potential to be a player the DL is built around in Marinelli's system. I do not want a high draft pick to ultimately turn into a rotational player. I want a 3 down player that produces at a high level for many years.

 

[xwalker]

no I I don't even want the guy not - an where is M going

I feel that because of his lack of natural size, he will be best off if used in a rotation. That way he won’t get worn down and will actually make more big plays because he will be rested


Kelcy Quarles - He makes plays versus the run and pass and goes all out every play. He is well coached and knows how to use his hands. For a big guy, he makes a lot of pursuit plays. He has some speed and always takes good angles to the ball.

Quarles is an every down player who can play in both a three man or four man front. His best fit is as a 4-3 defensive tackle. While he won’t go in the first round, I feel he is a second round lock.

They're going to have a heavy rotation regardless of the specific players.

 

[xwalker]

I'm not expecting anything. It is a hypothetical question before the draft regarding a high draft pick. Donald has the potential to be a player the DL is built around in Marinelli's system. I do not want a high draft pick to ultimately turn into a rotational player. I want a 3 down player that produces at a high level for many years.

Most teams have a heavy rotation at DT. Marinelli definitely has a heavy rotation because he asks them to go all out as pass rusher on every play and more than many other schemes, he asks the DT to quickly get out to the flats on runs or short passes. I remember Drake Nevis in particular getting in on an uncanny number of tackles out in the flat.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You will be sad if you're expecting a new DC after 2014.

Even in 4-3 that might normally have bigger DTs, Donald would still be a perfect nickel DT. Teams play about 1/3 of the snaps in nickel and as much as 1/2 in some games. Teams like the Giants that like to go big across the DLine, could play him at DT in the nickel and have him take snaps at SDE in the base defense.

Teams like Seattle play different front/techniques depending on who is in the game. If Red Bryant was at DE they played basically a different scheme than when Avril/Bennett were in the game.

I think Donald would be a nice rotational and specialist pass rusher from the DT position but I also think that you can draft those kinds of guys in the lower rounds. Those are not players we should be drafting with the 16th pick. If we plan on keeping the scheme, then he works. If not, then the 1st round is not where we should be targeting him IMO.

 

[TheFinisher]

Donald is a 6'0" 280lb DT, obviously he's not a fit for most schemes. He'd get eaten alive if asked to 2gap consistently, which a lot if 4-3 schemes ask their DTs to do.

This is why I'd rather have Jernigan. He can play in any 4 man front and never have to come off the field.

 

[LatinMind]

I don't agree with this. Donald, pretty much only fits a one gap 43 scheme. Lots of teams use two gap systems and also use the DTs to cover up the LBs, especially in a 43. He definitely doesn't fit all 43 schemes IMO.

Agree 100%. Donald fits basically 3 teams. Bucs, Bears, Cowboys

 

[xwalker]

Agree 100%. Donald fits basically 3 teams. Bucs, Bears, Cowboys

I'm not certain about the Bears. Their D-Coordinator, DL coach and LB coach have all primarily coached the 3-4. I expect them to run a hybrid 4-3/3-4 which would not be a great fit for Donald.

The Giants are the least likely 4-3 team to draft him, IMO. They don't play a 4-3 under and they usually like big DLinemen.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Agree 100%. Donald fits basically 3 teams. Bucs, Bears, Cowboys

Not even sure he fits the Bears anymore. They are moving in a different direction.

 

[LatinMind]

I'm not certain about the Bears. Their D-Coordinator, DL coach and LB coach have all primarily coached the 3-4. I expect them to run a hybrid 4-3/3-4 which would not be a great fit for Donald.

The Giants are the least likely 4-3 team to draft him, IMO. They don't play a 4-3 under and they usually like big DLinemen.

Bears coach has come out and said they dont see a move to 3-4