Would you trade up for Aaron Donald?

[ABQcowboyJR]

You don't have to worry about the Giants taking Lewan because it's not going to happen. Giants signed Will Beatty to a 5 year, $37.5 million deal last offseason. He has a $7.4 million cap hit this season. In other words, he's the starting LT. Giants want Pugh to continue to develop at RT.

There is no need for Lewan.

I wouldn't be so sure. Pugh can be kicked inside to OG, play Lewan at RT and groom him for LT. I could easily see this scenario playing out.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I wouldn't be so sure. Pugh can be kicked inside to OG, play Lewan at RT and groom him for LT. I could easily see this scenario playing out.

Same exact thing we've discussed here, on this board, with Free. Lewan is a much better talent then anybody the Giants have currently and what's more, had he been in last years draft, he would have been considered the top choice at OT. I'm not saying they will absolutely take him but if he's there at their pick, I am certain there will be a great deal of discussion around that pick. I've heard lots of people saying that Lewan is the guy the Giant's covet most. I don't know if that's true but I wouldn't doubt it. He's pretty darn good.

 

[PSU999]

I wouldn't be so sure. Pugh can be kicked inside to OG, play Lewan at RT and groom him for LT. I could easily see this scenario playing out.

The Giants are starting Geoff Schwartz at LG. Chris Snee/John Jerry will compete for the starting RG spot. They're keeping Pugh at RT.

 

[JackWagon]

No I would not. He is a very good fit for us but there are other very good players in this draft that would be a good fit for us also. Rounds 2 through 5 are so deep, IMO, that it would be a cardinal sin to trade picks away in those rounds, in this draft, unless you were convinced that you were getting a corner stone franchise type talent.

I see the highlights and think Donald might really be a frachise type guy ... id probably give away my third to go after him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Giants don't need Lewan or Martin. They have their starting LT (Beatty), starting RT (Pugh), and backup swing OT (Brown). They signed guards Geoff Schwartz and John Jerry in the offseason. They signed center JD Walton. They fixed their OL through free agency, and will address depth in FA.

Evans will go 7 to the Bucs and Ebron will go 9 to the Bills. Highly unlikely either will be there at 12.

There is zero chance the Giants pick Gilbert or Mosley. They are 6 deep at corner with DRC, Prince, Thurmond, McBride, Bowman, and Hosley. Corner is literally their deepest position. Why would they take Gilbert? They're not taking Mosley either. They have Jon Beason at MLB and have Jaquian Williams and Spencer Paysinger splitting reps at WILL.

Giants have a major need at pass-rush. Their pass-rush was one of the league's worst last season. Patterson is a backup 1-technique to Jon Hankins. Jenkins is 33 years old and the ONLY interior pass-rusher they have. They need a young 3-technique to rotate with Jenkins. Insert Donald.

Oh, they signed Goeff Schwartz, who in 5 seasons in the NFL, has been with 3 different teams? He's started a total of 23 games. At least Jerry does have some starting experience but he's by no means, great OG either. It's a one year deal for Jerry. Chris Snee had unsuccessful Hip surgery and may be done. He's under contract for this year and is a FA next year. Giants are hurting on the line. Giants were a mess at CB last year and Safety. They signed Beason at LB, who had a decent year but look at his previous two seasons in Carolina. He is no guarantee. They could use a pass rusher but I don't know that DT is where they would look for that. They need a TE bad as well. If the players you mention are off the board, then maybe but you can't know that. I don't think they will take Donald.

 

[Longboysfan]

Maybe our 1st, 4th, 7th and that is it.
Doubtful this is enough to get that far up.
If the scouting department has a say in it - I think they would, if Donald gone, trade down.

 

[PSU999]

Oh, they signed Goeff Schwartz, who in 5 seasons in the NFL, has been with 3 different teams? He's started a total of 23 games. At least Jerry does have some starting experience but he's by no means, great OG either. It's a one year deal for Jerry. Chris Snee had unsuccessful Hip surgery and may be done. He's under contract for this year and is a FA next year. Giants are hurting on the line. Giants were a mess at CB last year and Safety. They signed Beason at LB, who had a decent year but look at his previous two seasons in Carolina. He is no guarantee. They could use a pass rusher but I don't know that DT is where they would look for that. They need a TE bad as well. If the players you mention are off the board, then maybe but you can't know that. I don't think they will take Donald.

CB and safety were the strengths of the Giants defense last year. Giants D finished 8th in the league in overall defense despite having no pass rush. Their corners Prince and McBride and Terrell Thomas all played well, Antrel Rolle was an All-Pro safety, and Will Hill was a beast after missing the 1st 4 games.

Giants added corners DRC, Thurmond, and Bowman in FA. They added safety Stevie Brown in FA.

Safety and corner are not needs for the Giants at all.

 

[PSU999]

Oh, they signed Goeff Schwartz, who in 5 seasons in the NFL, has been with 3 different teams? He's started a total of 23 games. At least Jerry does have some starting experience but he's by no means, great OG either. It's a one year deal for Jerry. Chris Snee had unsuccessful Hip surgery and may be done. He's under contract for this year and is a FA next year. Giants are hurting on the line. Giants were a mess at CB last year and Safety. They signed Beason at LB, who had a decent year but look at his previous two seasons in Carolina. He is no guarantee. They could use a pass rusher but I don't know that DT is where they would look for that. They need a TE bad as well. If the players you mention are off the board, then maybe but you can't know that. I don't think they will take Donald.

1. Giants don't value LBs are not taking a backup LB with their 1st round pick. Plain and simple. Mosley is a complete reach at 12 and doesn't fit their drafting philosophy. Giants do not draft LBs high.

2. DT is certainly where they would look for additional pass-rush. Their current 3-technique is 33 year old Cullen Jenkins. He might get injured or worn down due to his age. You need another 3-technique in the rotation. Donald fits perfectly. He would be the BPA as well as filling a need. No-brainer pick for them.

 

[PSU999]

Oh, they signed Goeff Schwartz, who in 5 seasons in the NFL, has been with 3 different teams? He's started a total of 23 games. At least Jerry does have some starting experience but he's by no means, great OG either. It's a one year deal for Jerry. Chris Snee had unsuccessful Hip surgery and may be done. He's under contract for this year and is a FA next year. Giants are hurting on the line. Giants were a mess at CB last year and Safety. They signed Beason at LB, who had a decent year but look at his previous two seasons in Carolina. He is no guarantee. They could use a pass rusher but I don't know that DT is where they would look for that. They need a TE bad as well. If the players you mention are off the board, then maybe but you can't know that. I don't think they will take Donald.

It doesn't matter what Schwartz's history is, the Giants signed him to be their starting LG. He's penciled in at LG. Period.

Moving Pugh inside also makes zero sense. He played 3 years at LT in Syracuse and he excelled at RT last season as a rookie. Giants want him to continue to develop at tackle. He's never played guard in his career and he's not moving to guard next year.

So therefore the Giants are not drafting Taylor Lewan.

 

[PSU999]

Giants D-Line depth chart (Starter, backup)

RDE: JPP, Kiwanuka
1-technique: Jon Hankins, Mike Patterson
3-technique: Cullen Jenkins
LDE: Robert Ayers, Damontre Moore

As you can see, they need another interior pass-rushing threat at the 3-technique to rotate with Jenkins. Donald fits a CLEAR need and is also the BPA. Jerry Reese is also infatuated with taking pass-rushers high in the draft. You do the math.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

CB and safety were the strengths of the Giants defense last year. Giants D finished 8th in the league in overall defense despite having no pass rush. Their corners Prince and McBride and Terrell Thomas all played well, Antrel Rolle was an All-Pro safety, and Will Hill was a beast after missing the 1st 4 games.

Giants added corners DRC, Thurmond, and Bowman in FA. They added safety Stevie Brown in FA.

Safety and corner are not needs for the Giants at all.

Just stop. The Giants were 23 in the league against the pass. They have 8 CBs, which means they probably are not happy with what they currently have. The Giants are not fine.

 

[PSU999]

Just stop. The Giants were 23 in the league against the pass. They have 8 CBs, which means they probably are not happy with what they currently have. The Giants are not fine.

Errr, Giants were 10th in the league against the pass.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/position/defense

You can't even get your facts straight.

 

[PSU999]

They have two #1 corners in DRC and Prince on the outside. A dynamic slot corner in Walter Thurmond. A great #4 corner in Trumaine McBride. Zack Bowman is the #5 corner.

Corner is the deepest and best position on the Giants.

 

[PSU999]

Not only were the Giants 10th in the league against the pass, but they did that with a Bottom 5 pass-rush. Their secondary carried the defense last year.

 

[PSU999]

Geez, do you guys even follow free agency?

Giants added DRC and Walter Thurmond in the offseason to go along with Prince. They resigned McBride.

They completely shored up the CB position in FA. DRC and Prince will start at corner on the outside. Thurmond will play the slot.

They probably won't even draft a corner at all.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

1. Giants don't value LBs are not taking a backup LB with their 1st round pick. Plain and simple. Mosley is a complete reach at 12 and doesn't fit their drafting philosophy. Giants do not draft LBs high.


2. DT is certainly where they would look for additional pass-rush. Their current 3-technique is 33 year old Cullen Jenkins. He might get injured or worn down due to his age. You need another 3-technique in the rotation. Donald fits perfectly. He would be the BPA as well as filling a need. No-brainer pick for them.

I don't know that I would agree that the Giants would not take a LB high. They have taken LBs high in the draft before.

I don't see Mosley as a reach at 12 and I don't know of a lot of evaluators that would agree with that opinion either. If the Giants take a pass rusher, I think it will be an edge rusher, not DT if the opportunity is there. Kiwanuka was not very special last season, Justin Tuck is now a Raider. The have Ayers, who's career sack high for a season is 5.5, he's only ever had 12 career sacks in 5 seasons. I don't share your opinion on the strengths of the Gianst outside pass rush.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not only were the Giants 10th in the league against the pass, but they did that with a Bottom 5 pass-rush. Their secondary carried the defense last year.

according to this, 23rd.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...onType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go

 

[Hardline]

Eli Manning ran for his life last season, If Lewen is on the board, he is a Giant.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Geez, do you guys even follow free agency?

Giants added DRC and Walter Thurmond in the offseason to go along with Prince. They resigned McBride.

They completely shored up the CB position in FA. DRC and Prince will start at corner on the outside. Thurmond will play the slot.

They probably won't even draft a corner at all.

Yeah, I follow it but I'm not impressed with a signing like Thurmond who has started 8 games in 4 seasons and is signed to a one year deal.

I guess we don't agree. That's cool.

 

[ColeBeasley11]

They have two #1 corners in DRC and Prince on the outside. A dynamic slot corner in Walter Thurmond. A great #4 corner in Trumaine McBride. Zack Bowman is the #5 corner.

Corner is the deepest and best position on the Giants.

two #2 corners more like, the giants secondary isn't as great as your making it out too be.....