WP: Skins failed season

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I skimmed the NFL Zone, didn't see this in there, if it is, my bad. It's a three part series by Jason LaConfora, the beat writer for the team, and he really did alot of research. They're REALLY long, but REALLY interesting. I don't think I'll post the whole articles, but I (or anyone else) might clip out some of the most interesting bits for those who don't want to waste as much time.

Part 1


Part 2

Part 3
 

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Those three articles aren't entirely true. Theirs a lot of good stuff in their but some of the things in it are vastly exagerated. If your wondering what the biggest problems on the Skins roster is... it is...

1. Al Saunders because hes being a ***** to Portis. Saunders has had a man crush on Ladell Betts since Betts was in High School. Betts is one of the biggest reason Saunders came to DC. Portis doesn't like him.. and Saunders doesn't like Portis either.

2. Gregg Williams humongous ego and relucatance to make adjustments because he doesn't want to admit his system has major flaws.

3. Brandon Lloyd because hes a douchebag.

outside of this.. nothing wrong on the Skins roster. If Williams, Saunders and Portis can all swallow their egos and function as a team, I don't see anything wrong on the Skins. But this itself is a big task... especially for Portis and Williams.
 

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Could you summarize it some? We know the obvious ones like Gregg Williams and Portis being injured and such; what about the REAL dirt?
 

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MarkBrunell;1300411 said:
3. Brandon Lloyd because hes a douchebag.

how many times did we tell you guys that Lloyd's attitude just doesn't match his production? again, there's a reason his teammates called him 40/60 in San Fran

POTENTIAL! POTENTIAL! I hope you learned your lesson
 

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The first article is an overview, and mostly focuses on the Commanders method of player acquisition. It shows how players questioned Gibbs notion of "Real Commanders", since all the "Real Commanders" are allowed to keep walking, while they go out and get shiny new toys.

" 'Real Commanders,' what does that mean?" one veteran player asked. "Everybody sees through that. When it comes to guys who have been here three or four years, who played hard and played in pain for them, they use that money to go out and buy the next toy. They make promises about using the money to keep everybody together, then guys like A.P. [Antonio Pierce] and Ryan [Clark] and Robert Royal -- our real glue guys -- leave and they go outside again.

"It's the same thing year after year. You look at a lot of the guys who left here, and they're mostly playing well and their teams are doing well, and we pick up more guys than any team, and we struggle. What does that say about us? It's like they're trying to build a team of superstars, or guys who are paid like superstars, and it's not working."


It focused alot on the acquisition of Brandon Lloyd.

Safety Adam Archuleta, a $10 million bust, might be the worst free agent signing in NFL history. Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd completed the least productive season for any starting wide receiver ever (23 catches, 365 yards and 0 touchdowns) and has been a problem on and off the field, players and coaches said. And defensive end Andre Carter played poorly until the team was out of playoff contention in December.

The acquisition of Lloyd serves as a window into the Commanders' approach. Critics of the trade say it's an example of poor front-office talent evaluation and Gibbs straying from his "core Commanders" principles in search of a quick fix. Lloyd was known to be moody and difficult in San Francisco, but the Commanders traded third- and fourth-round picks for him, then gave him essentially the same contract as Randle El, even though he still had one year left on his contract.

Only after the trade was Lloyd brought in for an interview and coaches were able to ask him about his reputation as a troublemaker.

"What I saw is that he's not coachable," the teammate said. "He would go off on [wide receivers coach] Stan Hixon all the time and say, 'Bro, that's not how it's done!' right to his face. And we would kind of laugh, like not because it was really funny, but it was funny in that uncomfortable sense of, 'I can't believe he just said that.' "

Even after the benching, Lloyd was problematic. One key exchange occurred Dec. 17 in New Orleans. The go route -- in which a wide receiver makes a quick move at the snap of the ball and sprints straight down the sideline -- was Lloyd's specialty. In the first half, Lloyd beat his man down the sideline and seemed to be wide open for a touchdown pass from Jason Campbell. But he could not locate the ball and it dropped to the turf.

According to a member of the organization who witnessed the exchange, Saunders approached Lloyd at halftime.

"Tough one out there. Those lights are tough," Saunders said.

Lloyd looked at him coldly.

"You're joking, right?" he said.

"No," said Saunders. "It looked like you lost it in the lights."

"What? That ball was 10 yards underthrown," Lloyd said. "Go talk to the quarterback."

To many members of the organization, it was another example of Lloyd's lack of maturity disrupting Saunders's offense.


"From the equipment people on up, he has alienated everyone in this building," said one high-ranking member of the organization. "He needs help at a level that goes beyond what a teammate or a coach can give him."

There was alot of bashing of Cerrato. Said other coaches who worked with the Skins had warned about him.

The lack of success with new players has angered some coaches. Several assistants said they are frustrated with the lack of support they receive from Cerrato and the scouting department; players said they sometimes joke about precisely what Cerrato does to earn his titles. Players said he serves as Snyder's eyes and ears at Commanders Park. "We all know why Vinny is here," one prominent player said. "Dan."


Of Duckett:

Like in the Lloyd case, the rest of the league was well aware of Duckett's availability. The general manger who disliked Lloyd didn't want Duckett either, calling him "a fat, underachieving running back."

On Aug. 23 the Commanders acquired Duckett, who is eligible for free agency in March, with the Falcons getting Lelie. The "real Commanders" bristled. "I'm shocked, man," Sellers said at the time. "I thought we had depth." Cartwright said he felt like he had been "slapped in the face."

In the end, the Commanders turned out to be the ones who were slapped. Betts proved Gibbs wrong, matching a franchise record with five straight 100-yard games. Duckett had only 132 rushing yards. He cost the Commanders their third-round pick in 2007 and probably a fourth-round pick in 2008.


It might not seem like much of a summary, but these things are long.
 

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Getting Ducket and Lloyd and Archuletta have to be the trifecta of STUPID.
But outside of that, who else stank it up?
 

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burmafrd;1300471 said:
Getting Ducket and Lloyd and Archuletta have to be the trifecta of STUPID.
But outside of that, who else stank it up?

their D, least forced TOs in history, NFL worst in giving up pass plays of over 20 and 40 yards

pretty much everything except for Betts and the Oline
 

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The Saunders one isn't as interesting (part 2) basically, it outlined how Saunders thought he was coming in with the keys to the car, and he was going to have free-rein in the offense, to do what he wanted. The Commanders and Gibbs thought it might not be a big deal, since they both come from the same philosophies, but Saunders is a scientific, pass guy, while Gibbs has the NFC East pound it philosophy. Saunders is surprised it is taking so long to implement, and seemed disappointed that they went away from it and back to Gibbs' offense when it seemed they weren't grasping the offense.

Gibbs pointed specifically to that garbage Tampa Bay game as the reason the change was made, and that upset the players, since they had a good offense last year, but Brunell and Moss being injured hurt them in that game.

"We found ourselves. Then we get to the playoffs, Santana is really hurt and we lose our first option and Mark was hurting, and we looked pretty bad in the playoffs. But we had a good offense. Don't get me wrong -- it's a good offense and it's going to be a good offense -- but now you're starting over."

Early in the season, a group of players attended a Commanders community affairs function and, while in the limousine, marveled and joked at just how detached Gibbs appeared. Even on game day, the coach appeared to delegate more than he led.

"What," one player said, "does he actually do anymore?"

"They may have come from the same tree, but they branched off in totally different directions," a Commanders coach said. "One guy wants to give you options on top of options in the passing game. The other is conservative and wants to limit what you can do because it limits the mistakes you can make. One guy wants lots of guys out in passing routes with the freedom to expand on those routes. The other wants protection and a few guys out. On top of that is the personality of how they approach it. One wants to take chances by nature. The other doesn't."


Saunders also said that when they made the QB change, if you want to win now, go with Collins, instead of Campbell, but he understood why they went with Campbell.

"I completely understood and agreed with the decision," Saunders said of the decision to name Campbell the starter. "They paid a lot of money for Jason. They traded in the draft to get him. They had a lot invested in him. The time was right to see what the young man could do. I feel bad for Todd because he sort of got caught in the crosswinds. Decisions were being made that affected him that he really could not control."
 

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burmafrd;1300471 said:
Getting Ducket and Lloyd and Archuletta have to be the trifecta of STUPID.
But outside of that, who else stank it up?

The defense is aprt 3. I'll do the review in a bit.
 

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I like LaCaforna and think he's spot on how bad this year went.

They didn't need to do anything crazy last offseason. Keep Ryan Clark, maybe sign 1 WR, don't trade any picks.

It just turned into Shambles...especially after going down to Tampa, winning a playoff game, and being close to beating Seattle with 1 WR, a TE, a banged up OL and Portis.

Oh well, they're idiots in the front office. It kills me.

The folks who go after writers who write things that don't glow about that team, are homers. Forget them.

They need to cut a lot of fat, move training camp outside of D.C., and go back to what worked last season.
 

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MarkBrunell;1300411 said:
Those three articles aren't entirely true. Theirs a lot of good stuff in their but some of the things in it are vastly exagerated. If your wondering what the biggest problems on the Skins roster is... it is...

whats exaggerated and do you have proof ?

outside of this.. nothing wrong on the Skins roster. If Williams, Saunders and Portis can all swallow their egos and function as a team, I don't see anything wrong on the Skins. But this itself is a big task... especially for Portis and Williams.


I REALLY REALLY hope the skins fo believes that :laugh2:
 

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Thanks SP, great job. This manages to make me feel a little better about us, at least. :)

That's hilarious about Cerrato being Snyder's agent out there at practice. Can't you just see him snooping around trying to overhear anyone who might have something negative to say about The Danny? :laugh1:

It's also amazing -- amazing -- that they didn't do their research on Lloyd.

Whatta wreck. :lmao:
 

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kinda funny it took you guys a whole week to bring up these articles. Pretty good timing if you ask me....hmmmm.
 

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apickmans;1300538 said:
kinda funny it took you guys a whole week to bring up these articles. Pretty good timing if you ask me....hmmmm.
Well last week, the fans were focusing on another game...you know, the one that they lost on Sat. in the playoffs.

And now they need a good laugh after venting for the past few days and wanting to fire the whole coaching staff. The Skins give us as good an opportunity as any. :)
 

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The third one was mostly just about Greg Williams. He was referred to as a dumb jock when he was younger, and carries it as a chip on his shoulder, as a more cerebral coach. It talks about him having all sorts of prestigious speaking engagements and such, but doesn't want it publicly known because he doesn't like the perception of him as a cocky, arrogant guy. Problems arise with the fall of the defense, his admission that his cover-two defense might be fading into ineffectiveness, and that article from ESPN (they pin on Archuletta, allegedly) that kills his methods.

The piece in ESPN hurt him.

"Gregg can be stubborn," said an NFL assistant who asked not to be identified because he considers Williams a friend and admires his coaching. "He believes he's the one who will make guys do things they haven't done before. He will say, 'Adam Archuleta might not be able to play in pass coverage, but he will for me,' or, 'LaVar Arrington can't do these things, but he will do them for me.' "

One of Williams's great strengths has been his ability to take the base "46" defense of his first NFL mentor, Buddy Ryan, and adapt it to whatever situation arises. For instance, when he was the Tennessee Titans' defensive coordinator in 1999, the season they went to the Super Bowl, his teams used lots of man-to-man coverage on pass plays. The next year, with a defense less suited to such coverages, he used almost no man-to-man. The Titans wound up with the top-ranked pass defense in the NFL that season.


They prop up him getting the #3 defense, without alot of talent, and making Pierce into a star. They also quote a coach who suggested that Williams hinted to Snyder that Pierce wasn't irreplaceable, or he'd have had him back.

"That one's on Gregg. He got what he wanted," the coach said.


It talks more about the failed personnel decisions - letting Walt Harris, Rumph, and Arrington walk and further destroying their depth while picking up AA and Carter.

Archuleta was so bad a fit he was yanked from the starting squad in the middle of drills one day in November. Troy Vincent trotted out to replace him and Archuleta barely saw the field in ensuing weeks. And nobody has ever told him why, he said.

Also, it talks about the strain Saunders offense puts on the defense, and how Williams influenced Gibbs decision tog et Saunders.

When the Commanders hired Al Saunders to run their offense last winter, one NFL assistant said Williams was troubled by the move, not from any dislike for Saunders but because he worried that Saunders's frenetic offense, which often produced touchdowns quickly, would put pressure on Williams's defense. With the pace of the game accelerated, the defense would naturally give up more yards and points and its ranking would suffer.

"I can't do this," the assistant said Williams told him. The assistant asked that he not be identified by name because he considers both men to be friends.


When asked about this, Williams said he has a high regard for Saunders going back to Super Bowl XXXIV, when Saunders's Rams beat Williams's Titans. In fact, Williams is convinced he's the reason Saunders is with the Commanders, having gone through his file on the coach while he himself was on several lists for head coaching openings last January. He decided if he were to be offered a job, Saunders would be his first choice for offensive coordinator, a fact he said he mentioned to Gibbs one day.

A few days later, Gibbs walked into Williams's office and said he had hired Saunders, shocking Williams, who never knew the Commanders were courting him.

"I hired him because of what you told me about him," Williams remembered Gibbs telling him.

Williams smiled. "He's here because of me bragging on him to Coach" Gibbs, he said.

Either way, to outsiders, Saunders's offense has in fact affected the Commanders' defense -- a lot. Cowboys Coach Bill Parcells mentioned as much in a New York Times magazine article in the fall. While watching game tape of the Commanders, he noted how little regard Saunders seemed to have for his defensive coordinator. The NFL assistant who said Williams fretted about the hiring has watched the Commanders this season specifically to see how Williams would deal with the faster pace of the offense. He agreed with Parcells's assessment, adding that it was the biggest reason for Washington's defensive collapse.


The rest of it talks about his personality. Donahoe is supportive of him, considering the mess in contracts Buffalo was sidled with. His former players were supportive, too. There was an interesting story, if you read it, about him starting in Buffalo. He was invited to a party in the neighborhood, and went to embrace the community. Some yahoo was there and grilled him on the team, the next day sports talk radio reports he was at the party, drunk out of his wits, fighting his wife, and fell in a pond. Makes him withdrawn.

Williams's hollering inspires them. If he walks into a meeting room, freshly pressed, with neat creases in his shirt and pants and promises them that he has a game plan that is guaranteed to bamboozle Sunday's opponent, they're all for it.

"I like that underdog approach," Springs said. "Gregg is a little 'we're going to get after them' in his approach. I like that."

"Gregg Williams is a very tough, very verbal coach. When I was there, I respected him a lot," said Pierce, now with the Giants. "He may be killing his players in practice, but he was the first guy patting you on the back after you've made a big play."

When asked why some players might seem to be turned off by Williams's approach, Bengals defensive tackle Sam Adams -- who played for Williams in Buffalo -- scoffed.

"Probably because they're soft," he said. "He's an aggressive, hard-charger. He's going to dog you as he sees fit. Some cats can't handle that."


I left this article with some more respect for Williams.
 

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apickmans;1300538 said:
kinda funny it took you guys a whole week to bring up these articles. Pretty good timing if you ask me....hmmmm.

I don't go to the Washington Post that often. I just read Bill Simmons' column from last friday today, and he cited these articles as good journalism, in a world where journalism's dead most of the time. Don't wad those panties too bad.
 

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WoodysGirl;1300545 said:
Well last week, the fans were focusing on another game...you know, the one that they lost on Sat. in the playoffs.

And now they need a good laugh after venting for the past few days and wanting to fire the whole coaching staff. The Skins give us as good an opportunity as any. :)

Haha yeah i know but any skins news making us look bad will immediately be brought up by someone on this site, even if it was during a week leading up to your playoff game (like "portis ripping on skins"). I dont blame you guys, just think its funny thats all, so have at it because I'm sure this wont be the last bit of news making us look bad .:)
 

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superpunk;1300552 said:
I don't go to the Washington Post that often. I just read Bill Simmons' column from last friday today, and he cited these articles as good journalism, in a world where journalism's dead most of the time. Don't wad those panties too bad.

Gotcha. Haha ill try not to.
 

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No doubt, things suck in Washington.

I don't think you'd find a Skins fan that would trade our mess for your mess. A decade since a playoff win? like 14 years since one on the road?

I think we're both "living the dream" right now. ;)

ugh, I guess we can all look forward to Philly probably losing this weekend.
 
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