WP: Skins failed season

[superpunk]

They could have won a playoff game this year, and had we not gone all the way, it would have been meh. Playoff wins are meaningless unless they lead to a super bowl, or you're sustaining progress. They're nice for short-sighted fans to thump their chest about, but not much else. I like the direction this team is headed.

Our mess kicks your messes ***.

 

[Wheat]

Oh, I agree. 1 winner, 31 losers in the NFL.

Still, all those years without even making a small push? That's AZ stuff right there.

 

[WoodysGirl]

No doubt, things suck in Washington.

I don't think you'd find a Skins fan that would trade our mess for your mess. A decade since a playoff win? like 14 years since one on the road?

I think we're both "living the dream" right now.

ugh, I guess we can all look forward to Philly probably losing this weekend.

Playoff history aside, I doubt you'd find any Cowboys fans willing to make that trade either. Cuz that playoff win of you guys last year was one sucky display of playoff football. And the way the 'boys played on Sat. I'd be hard pressed to prop them up as a stellar display of good football had they won and moved on to Chicago. So I'd call it even right about now.

See my caption..."keeping the faith"

They could have won a playoff game this year, and had we not gone all the way, it would have been meh. Playoff wins are meaningless unless they lead to a super bowl, or you're sustaining progress. They're nice for short-sighted fans to thump their chest about, but not much else. I like the direction this team is headed.

Our mess kicks your messes ***.

 

[Wheat]

Playoff history aside, I doubt you'd find any Cowboys fans willing to make that trade either. Cuz that playoff win of you guys last year was one sucky display of playoff football. And the way the 'boys played on Sat. I'd be hard pressed to prop them up as a stellar display of good football had they won and moved on to Chicago. So I'd call it even right about now.

See my caption..."keeping the faith"

Oh, I know. But, a win is a win.

However, I would hope you wouldn't be tooting your horn. Seattle had no DB's and you guys have the most talented WR corp in the East.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Oh, I know. But, a win is a win.


However, I would hope you wouldn't be tooting your horn. Seattle had no DB's and you guys have the most talented WR corp in the East.

Not at all... Read my post again...

And the way the 'boys played on Sat. I'd be hard pressed to prop them (meaning the Cowboys) up as a stellar display of good football had they won and moved on to Chicago.​

 

[superpunk]

Oh, I agree. 1 winner, 31 losers in the NFL.

Still, all those years without even making a small push? That's AZ stuff right there.

We made small pushes in the late 90s, again in 03, showed progress last year - but it's all meaningless. No different than the Skins, really, except that Jerry won't fire his head coach after a playoff appearance, or after a strong finish showing progress. The Skins haven't been relevant, a decent contender, or showed any real signs of progress in almost 15 years. That, my friend, is a mess. The Cowboys current mess has plenty of youth, plenty of draft picks, plenty of cap space, a promising young QB, and lots of talent at the top already. The Skins current mess consists of age, little cap room, no draft picks, no depth, and coaching discord.

I know which mess I'm picking.

 

[Wheat]

We made small pushes in the late 90s, again in 03, showed progress last year - but it's all meaningless. No different than the Skins, really, except that Jerry won't fire his head coach after a playoff appearance, or after a strong finish showing progress. The Skins haven't been relevant, a decent contender, or showed any real signs of progress in almost 15 years. That, my friend, is a mess. The Cowboys current mess has plenty of youth, plenty of draft picks, plenty of cap space, a promising young QB, and lots of talent at the top already. The Skins current mess consists of age, little cap room, no draft picks, no depth, and coaching discord.

I know which mess I'm picking.

well, that's your choice.

I guess the definition of small pushes are less for you than for me.

cheers....have a good afternoon

 

[Mansta54]

Well last week, the fans were focusing on another game...you know, the one that they lost on Sat. in the playoffs.

And now they need a good laugh after venting for the past few days and wanting to fire the whole coaching staff. The Skins give us as good an opportunity as any.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's AZ stuff right there.

are you kidding me? it's called playoff drought

not winning streak drought

 

[Bob Sacamano]

well, that's your choice.

I guess the definition of small pushes are less for you than for me.

cheers....have a good afternoon

wow, that was somehow, really pathetic and measley a response

 

[SultanOfSix]

wow, that was somehow, really pathetic and measley a response

Your expectations are too high.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Your expectations are too high.

most likely, just was suprised how big a discreprancy there was between the 2 posts, one had alot of logic, and one, well, didn't

 

[TNCowboy]

No doubt, things suck in Washington.

I don't think you'd find a Skins fan that would trade our mess for your mess. A decade since a playoff win? like 14 years since one on the road?

So? What happened 5 or 10 years ago is irrelevant. So is your playoff win last year.

Your team is coming off a 5-11 season. The Skins are one of if not the oldest team in the NFL. You have one of the worst salary cap situations. You also will probably only have one draft pick in the first 4 rounds.

On the other hand, disappointing though it was, Dallas was in the playoffs this year. Dallas has one of the NFL's younger teams. And we also have a great salary cap situation. And we also have most of our draft picks.

I think a great many Commanders' fans would love to trade "messes".

 

[firehawk350]

So? What happened 5 or 10 years ago is irrelevant. So is your playoff win last year.

Your team is coming off a 5-11 season. The Skins are one of if not the oldest team in the NFL. You have one of the worst salary cap situations. You also will probably only have one draft pick in the first 4 rounds.

On the other hand, disappointing though it was, Dallas was in the playoffs this year. Dallas has one of the NFL's younger teams. And we also have a great salary cap situation. And we also have most of our draft picks.

I think a great many Commanders' fans would love to trade "messes".

Your arguing for the sake of arguing. I can count how many Boys fans on this site like your roster composition on one hand. Let's look at it...

DL: Ferguson is the only one who is even close to decent. He's an okay NT, while Canty and Spears never do anything. Do you have youth? Yes, but I wouldn't be touting my horn about it if I were you.
LB: Carpenter and Ware are the only thing you could describe as young and good in the LBer corps. And Carpenter only played a few games, so the jury's out on him still. Ellis is good, but he's getting real old. Akin is getting up there too, and Bradie James is young, but just sucks horribly.
Secondary: Pat Watkins isn't that good, Roy Williams is a LB in safety's clothing and the rest (outside of TNew) are both old AND crappy. Newman is good, but nowhere near the level that you Boys fans tout him as. He gives up his share of plays and doesn't get the corresponding INTs that you would expect from an elite CB.
OL: Do I need to even go into this??? Both old and ineffective.
QB: Romo is young and good, kudos. But he has possession problems, his accuracy needs to be improved, as does his decision-making. But he's young and has an entire offseason to work on it. We'll see...
RB: Julius is okay, but his tendency to go down on first contact and his lack of vision makes him a laughable first option. If it takes 20 touches before you can start expecting something of him, that's pathetic. MBIII is a great 2nd effort back, but isn't any better then the plethora of downhill runners out there. On top of that, it's not like you can have both in at the same time. Oliver Hoyt is passable.
WR: Glenn fades at the end of the season, and is at the end of his career (knee+age). Owens is the same, except he doesn't fade at the end of the season. He drops balls, but it might be his finger that is wrong and isn't the best fit for the style of offense the Boys are running. You have some youth behind him in Crayton and Hurd, but cmon now, does anyone think that those guys can actually succeed starting?
TE: Fasano wasn't worth a 2nd rounder. He disappeared as soon as the first whistle went off. So much so that Parcells moved from the two TE set he said he was gonna change to, to using a more traditional FB set-up. And I don't think it's because he thought Hoyt was a world-breaker. Witten is good, but it's funny because he's probably the 3rd or 4th best TE in the NFC East. Maybe I'd rank him above LJ Smith. He's young, sure, but isn't great or anything.

 

[Wheat]

most likely, just was suprised how big a discreprancy there was between the 2 posts, one had alot of logic, and one, well, didn't

small pushes involve at least making it past wild card weekend. As bad as we've been (and I think we're one of the bottom 5 teams in the past 5-10 years). We've at least won 2 wildcard games in that timespan. You haven't even done that.

If you consider choking over and over during the Tuna's coaching time here, "Small Pushes" then so be it. That just means you expect a lot less than the other 31 teams fans in the league. Wait, I get it. Small pushes towards making a run, without ever making an actual winning when the 2nd season starts.. My bad. I thought you meant making a run like the 8 teams that will be playing next weekend.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We've at least won 2 wildcard games in that timespan. You haven't even done that.

so, who's been in more of a position to win playoff games? us or you? 2 of the last 3 years we've been to the playoffs, and in those 2 years, you've been a sub-500 team

1 of your wildcard wins was the weakest in playoff history, the other, happened in what? '98? YAY!

if all you got is choking in the playoffs, I'll take it, at least we've been, and still are, in a position to do something about it, while you guys are seemingly spinning your wheels in mediocrity, and the future doesn't look too bright

 

[Wheat]

so, who's been in more of a position to win playoff games? us or you? 2 of the last 3 years we've been to the playoffs, and in those 2 years, you've been a sub-500 team

1 of your wildcard wins was the weakest in playoff history, the other, happened in what? '98? YAY!

if all you got is choking in the playoffs, I'll take it, at least we've been, and still are, in a position to do something about it, while you guys are seemingly spinning your wheels in mediocrity, and the future doesn't look too bright

That's even worse! Been in a position but choked year after year? That's like putting 4th and 26 on a t-shirt bro.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That's even worse! Been in a position but choked year after year? That's like putting 4th and 26 on a t-shirt bro.

then what shirt is for choking in the season?

 

[firehawk350]

Now, I'm not saying that the Skins are in much better of a situation. But they have a good amount of youth and talent at different positions.

DL: We are getting old there, but Carter came on in the latter part of the season and is still young. Griffin isn't old per se, but I would love to see Alan Branch come in to line up with Griffin who rotates with Golston, who played pretty well as a rookie. We straight up need a replacement for Daniels.
LB: Marshall is getting up there, and is not very good either, and Holdman just is downright terrible. Washington is still young (27/28) and still pretty good. He just had a down year due to injuries and crappy play by the teammates. McIntosh showed a lot of promise (incredible range and a nose for the ball) but not enough playing time to really tell, the jury's still out.
Secondary: Obviously horrendous. Most blame arch, but I doubt it's him because we put in Vincent and nothing changed. It's the use of two secondary coaches, Grey needs to go. But Rogers can be a great CB, he has all the tools, but can somebody get him some sticky hands? But a lot of potential back there, but some old components require attention (namely Shawn Springs).
OL: Some are getting up there in age (Randy Thomas is 30/31) but he's still really good. No signs of slowing so far. Jansen and Samuels are great tackles and not old, yet (29 I believe). Dockery is both good and young. He has a propensity to hold though.
QB: Jason Campbell is improving each week, but definitely needs to work on accuracy and timing. That can easily be corrected on the offseason (has said he will travel to the receiver's homes to work on timing with them). Huge cannon arm, hard to take down for a QB and a threat to scramble. We'll see...
RB: Massively young and talented. Portis is 27, had pretty much the year off and expects to be 100% at the start of training camp and Betts is young and good too. FB Sellers is great for short yardage, bulldozes people and is a threat to catch the ball too. He's pretty young too (28 I believe)
WR: We have a world-breaker in Santana (who is pretty young) but the rest are just iffy. Randle-El is a huge threat to take it all the way each time he touches the ball, but is having problems with developing his timing with Campbell so far. I expect him to be decent next year. Lloyd was just horrid this season, and has a huge attitude, but the potential there can not be ignored. We'll see... All are young though.
TE: Cooley is good, if not great. He's got enough vertical speed to stretch defenses, and is next to impossible to take down. Good hands. Very young as well.

So, I don't know where you get the idea that we're old from. We have Springs, Daniels and Vincent that are old. Griffin and Thomas are right on that brink.

 

[Wheat]

then what shirt is for choking in the season?

We sucked so bad that you can't even call it a choke. I won't even blame injuries. We just flat out sucked.

How about a picture of that snap, then your record against teams over .500 this season under the picture?