WR In the First Round Is a Horrible Idea

[theogt]

You did this last night when i made you look silly. You just left only to come back today to say that I didnt respond to you.

Can I expect more of the same? Seems pretty standard for a type A to do this though.

You still haven't responded to my criticisms. I don't suspect you ever will. I've reposted them a couple times. You simply ignore them. Oh well, have a nice day.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You still haven't responded to my criticisms. I don't suspect you ever will. I've reposted them a couple times. You simply ignore them. Oh well, have a nice day.

kk ill play, which specific criticisms did i not answer? i suspect they come from the same place that those two players did.

 

[theogt]

kk ill play, which specific criticisms did i not answer? i suspect they come from the same place that those two players did.

Check the first page of the thread.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Check the first page of the thread.

i did and look about 10 or so posts up i specifically quoted them and responded. like i said, they come from the same place your two players did. after that theo you have ZERO cred in my book.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it must suck that you've gone 15 pages and only 1 person agrees w/ you

 

[peplaw06]

kk ill play, which specific criticisms did i not answer? i suspect they come from the same place that those two players did.

Oh for ***** sake... You want two players. Here's two players


Ashlie Lelie - "boom"
G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2002 Denver 16 35 525 32.8 15.0 48 2.8 24 2
2003 Denver 16 37 628 39.3 17.0 60 3.6 25 2
2004 Denver 16 54 1084 67.8 20.1 58 3.7 40 7
2005 Denver 16 42 770 48.1 18.3 56 5.0 30 1
2006 Atlanta 15 28 430 28.7 15.4 51 2.5 22 1
Career 79 1963 43743.517.5603.614113


Donte Stallworth - "bust"/mediocre
2002 New Orleans 13 42 594 45.7 14.1 57 7.4 26 8
2003 New Orleans 11 25 485 44.1 19.4 76 8.4 19 3
2004 New Orleans 16 58 767 47.9 13.2 45 6.0 35 5
2005 New Orleans 16 70 945 59.1 13.5 43 3.8 50 7
2006 Philadelphia 12 38 725 60.4 19.1 84 5.7 30 5
Career 68 233 3516 51.7 15.1 84 5.8 160 28




I went to the end of your list because those guys are easier to get stats on, and started up. These are two of the last three guys listed. Explain to me how Lelie's a boom and Stallworth's a bust.

 

[Aikbach]

I don't mind a wideout in round 1, the draft is a crap shoot and you take your chances.

For every Ike Hilliard, Rae Curruth and Mike Williams or Charlie Rodgers and Peter Warrick there is a Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Michael Irvin, Terry Glenn, Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison as well as mid-range talents that have good careers like Alvin Harper, Anthony Miller, Mike Sherrard and Keyshawn Johnson.

All players not in that top row were worthy of a first round pick.

 

[baj1dallas]

I guess Michael Irvin didn't make much of a difference here either huh?

Part of why he was so good was because he was reliable...that's really key at WR imo. Hard to draft for reliability..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh for ***** sake... You want two players. Here's two players


Ashlie Lelie - "boom"
G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2002 Denver 16 35 525 32.8 15.0 48 2.8 24 2
2003 Denver 16 37 628 39.3 17.0 60 3.6 25 2
2004 Denver 16 54 1084 67.8 20.1 58 3.7 40 7
2005 Denver 16 42 770 48.1 18.3 56 5.0 30 1
2006 Atlanta 15 28 430 28.7 15.4 51 2.5 22 1
Career 79 1963 43743.517.5603.614113


Donte Stallworth - "bust"/mediocre
2002 New Orleans 13 42 594 45.7 14.1 57 7.4 26 8
2003 New Orleans 11 25 485 44.1 19.4 76 8.4 19 3
2004 New Orleans 16 58 767 47.9 13.2 45 6.0 35 5
2005 New Orleans 16 70 945 59.1 13.5 43 3.8 50 7
2006 Philadelphia 12 38 725 60.4 19.1 84 5.7 30 5
Career 68 233 3516 51.7 15.1 84 5.8 160 28




I went to the end of your list because those guys are easier to get stats on, and started up. These are two of the last three guys listed. Explain to me how Lelie's a boom and Stallworth's a bust.

The one had a 1000 yard season. It was an automatic nonbust.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it must suck that you've gone 15 pages and only 1 person agrees w/ you

Considering i think the vast majority of people are not smart that really has never bothered me.

I see articles written by repected national media members that agree that WRs are the worst risk in the first round but I dont ever see articles saying you should draft a WR inround one.

An then there is you guys..... Ill stick to my own guns.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I see articles written by repected national media members that agree that WRs are the worst risk in the first round but I dont ever see articles saying you should draft a WR inround one.

:laugh2: a writer from ESPN wrote that article, and he used Marques Colston as his prime example, while NFL teams select on average, 4 WRs in the 1st round, 2 years ago something like 6 of 7 WRs were taken in the 1st


w/ so many people in disagreement, maybe it's you who isn't smart, but stick to your guns, you only have about 30 pointing back at you

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:laugh2: a writer from ESPN wrote that article, and he used Marques Colston as his prime example, while NFL teams select on average, 4 WRs in the 1st round, 2 years ago something like 6 of 7 WRs were taken in the 1st


w/ so many people in disagreement, maybe it's you who isn't smart, but stick to your guns, you only have about 30 pointing back at you

Actually there are NO articles saying that drafting a WR in the first is a good idea. And the point of the argument is that WR in the first is the highest risk position not that its a good idea in the seventh.

And the article about Ron Wolf alludes to it on the daily zone. Nietszche is right, Ive been dealing with the botched and bungled all my life.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Considering i think the vast majority of people are not smart that really has never bothered me.

Straight from the 'how to win friends' handbook.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually there are NO articles saying that drafting a WR in the first is a good idea.

I know there is no article that says taking a WR in the 1st is a good idea, but again, on average, 4 WRs are taken in the 1st round every year

And the point of the argument is that WR in the first is the highest risk position not that its a good idea in the seventh.

the article's point was that, and the myth that you shouldn't risk spending a 1st round pick on a WR because there's always going to be a Marques Colston in the later rounds

And the article about Ron Wolf alludes to it on the daily zone.

you mean the article where he regrets not taking a WR in the 1st round?

 

[tomson75]

Who gives a damn if there aren't any articles about importance of drafting a WR in round 1. There is a reason those guys are writing the articles and not selecting the players...they don't have any idea what they're talking about. Apparently, SCOUTS don't seem to find anything wrong with it. I'm thinking they are marginally better at it than you or I.

...or some hack writer from ESPN.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who gives a damn if there aren't any articles about importance of drafting a WR in round 1. There is a reason those guys are writing the articles and not selecting the players...they don't have any idea what they're talking about. Apparently, SCOUTS don't seem to find anything wrong with it. I'm thinking they are marginally better at it than you or I.

...or some hack writer from ESPN.

it's just another myth perpetuated by the hacks at ESPN, just like Roy can't cover at all, Romo sucks when he's forced to stay in the pocket, TO is a trouble-maker and bad teammate, the list goes on

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know there is no article that says taking a WR in the 1st is a good idea, but again, on average, 4 WRs are taken in the 1st round every year



the article's point was that, and the myth that you shouldn't risk spending a 1st round pick on a WR because there's always going to be a Marques Colston in the later rounds



you mean the article where he regrets not taking a WR in the 1st round?

He regrets not taking Randy Moss. Moss is one of the players that comes out every few years or more.

But the najor premise of the article jives with my point and not yours. And 32 WRs could be picked every year and on average 16 of them would still suck. 25 years of truth on that one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who gives a damn if there aren't any articles about importance of drafting a WR in round 1. There is a reason those guys are writing the articles and not selecting the players...they don't have any idea what they're talking about. Apparently, SCOUTS don't seem to find anything wrong with it. I'm thinking they are marginally better at it than you or I.

...or some hack writer from ESPN.

scouts.com ......

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He regrets not taking Randy Moss. Moss is one of the players that comes out every few years or more.

*sigh* read the part where he said that not taking a WR in the 1st is something he isn't proud of, Moss was just an example, just like there was another WR he mentions he wishes he took in the 1st

But the najor premise of the article jives with my point and not yours. And 32 WRs could be picked every year and on average 16 of them would still suck. 25 years of truth on that one.

I saw your results, still doesn't change the fact that NFL people aren't bothered by those figures

and the premise was that predicting the results of 1st round receivers is hard to do

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Straight from the 'how to win friends' handbook.

Hey its true. The vast majority of people are stupid. Im not here to win friends; I have enough friends. Im here to talk about the Cowboys as only a few of my friends are Cowboys fans and none as rabid as I.