WR Matt Jones getting close to being released?

[SMCowboy]

No, apparently many would rather 'hope' for a contribution from Glenn, or that Stanback and Austin will improve.

Personally, I think that's a bit too much 'hoping' at one position for a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

We would also be HOPING that Matt Jones finally gets his act together. Right now, I would list Matt Jones with Isiah Stanback and Miles Austin when it comes to who is the better WR.

You want facts. Here are facts for you. Jacksonville who was desperate for even decent WR's could not find a spot for him last year, and are about to cut him this year. What part of that says, I AM A GOOD WR THAT JUST NEEDS A CHANCE? Or do you think that Jacksonville hates Matt Jones and is keeping him on the bench even though he is a good WR?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

What's your stance on Alvin Harper? Was he a bust? A Disappointment with lousy numbers who couldn't play?

You speak of 'every opportunity' and I see a guy who wasn't named a starter even after he led the team in receiving. Where's the opportunity there? Tell me your attitude wouldn't be affected after that.

I see a guy who was in the coach's doghouse and got deactivated for 4 games last year. You can pin it all on Jones, but the fact is that none of Jacksonville's receivers develop and that include guys who played the position for their entire career. But ignore that because it might exonerate Jones from all the blame.



And yet somehow, miraculously, the guy has 101 catches and 13 TD's in 3 seasons of part-time play?

Conversely, 'your hero' Patrick Crayton has 120 catches in 4 seasons and 14 TD's?

Despite the fact that Jones has 5 career starts to Crayton's 20.

 

[DFWJC]

He hasn't lived up to the hype of being a 1st round draft pick, but that's Jacksonville's fault, not his.
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I request a retraction You cannot possibly believe that....unless you mean it was Jax's fault to draft him that high. Then you have a point.

 

[Stash]

We would also be HOPING that Matt Jones finally gets his act together. Right now, I would list Matt Jones with Isiah Stanback and Miles Austin when it comes to who is the better WR.

Look at his numbers, his 'act' right now is better than anyone not named Owens or Crayton. You'd still be getting an improvement over what Dallas has after those two - 'warts' and all.

You want facts. Here are facts for you. Jacksonville who was desperate for even decent WR's could not find a spot for him last year, and are about to cut him this year. What part of that says, I AM A GOOD WR THAT JUST NEEDS A CHANCE? Or do you think that Jacksonville hates Matt Jones and is keeping him on the bench even though he is a good WR?

I'm thinking that Jacksonville doesn't have a clue how to develop receivers,much less a guy making a position change.

Why is Jacksonville' desparate for receivers' in the first place? Maybe because their coaching sucks and they can't develop their own? It's not one guy, it's all of them struggling. They haven't had a decent one since Jimmy Smith - and Del Rio and Co had no part in developing him.

His numbers were as good as either of the two receivers starting over him, better in some aspects.

Plenty of players aren't good fits with one team and better with others.

Burress didn;t work out in Pittsburgh, but he has (until recently) worked out in New York. When he hit free agency, nobody wanted him, and the Giants wouldn't have won anything without him.

Moss was a waste in Oakland and nobody offered anything more than a 4th rounder for him.

Think the league isn't regretting that?

I'm not saying Jones is either of those receivers, merely that he might be the same 'bad fit' that they were.

Look at the guys' career numbers, number of starts, and the talent (or lack thereof) he's had around him.

And if you still honestly think 'he sucks' then fine, you'll at least have put some thought into it.

 

[jobberone]

I can see the possibility of Del Rio not liking this guy because he is definitely old school. Jimmy Johnson got rid of players who got on his bad side. Of course I'm too lazy to look them all up to see who actually stuck in the league.

On the other hand it is hard to imagine a coach cutting his nose off to spite his face by benching a player who could help him keep his job. Del Rio is not immune from being cut either.

You would have to be an insider to actually know the facts of all this. I have to take the position that he is flawed enough to avoid. On the other hand I believe if he is cut he won't be unemployed very long. Jax has to be looking to quietly trade this guy. I KNOW they won't give up without at least trying to unload him for something.

 

[Stash]

I request a retraction You cannot possibly believe that....unless you mean it was Jax's fault to draft him that high. Then you have a point.

Yeah, what else would I mean?

 

[DFWJC]

Yeah, what else would I mean?

I think it also could be taken as you meaning it was Jax's fault that he was not as good as he could be.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Plaxico Burress is a classic example - and that guy is a pain in the @$$ to boot, but he can play and the Giants wouldn't have won the Super Bowl without him.

Matt Jones is nowhere near Plaxico's level, and if I'm correct, Plax had at least 1, 1,000 receiving season in Pitt, 2 I think

but think of it like this, if Matt Jones is still developing, which it's obvious that he is, do we have the time and roster space to add another receiver that needs heavy-handed coaching? another reclamation project if you will? because not only does he still need to learn how to be an NFL receiver, he has to pick up a new offense too

I don't think so

and Matt Jones hates you

 

[Bob Sacamano]

how come chuck never gets to play "the name game"?

because he's busy chucking wood:laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So by your own reasons on why we should take a chance on Jones, why not take those same chances on Benson? He is a 4th pick overall. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery. Felix has proven to be 0% of what an NFL running back needs to be. Benson, although he hasn't played great, he has at least played and we should go with the known rather than the unknown. So why didn't we offer a 6th for him? Or rather, why hasn't anyone else tested him?

I know, off the field issues. But we have seen people take chances on people with off the field issues for talent. I strongly feel that if Jones is released, he will pass through waivers.

good point, some people just aren't worth it

Matt Jones isn't a bad guy, he's just out of his element right now, doesn't seem like he's built mentally for the competitive world of the NFL

 

[Stash]

Matt Jones is nowhere near Plaxico's level, and if I'm correct, Plax had at least 1, 1,000 receiving season in Pitt, 2 I think

You're right, Jones isn't currently near Plaxico's level. But I think their 'games' are similar.

but think of it like this, if Matt Jones is still developing, which it's obvious that he is, do we have the time and roster space to add another receiver that needs heavy-handed coaching? another reclamation project if you will? because not only does he still need to learn how to be an NFL receiver, he has to pick up a new offense too

I don't think so

Jones is still developing, but even though he is, he's still put up good numbers. Not great numbers, but good ones. Comparatively better than Crayton's over less time with fewer starts.

He still has things to learn, but he's capable of playing now as well.

I think you'd be getting a guy who can play, but still has margin for upside.

But I'm obviously biased here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But I'm obviously biased here.

no kidding :laugh2:

 

[Stash]

good point, some people just aren't worth it

Matt Jones isn't a bad guy, he's just out of his element right now, doesn't seem like he's built mentally for the competitive world of the NFL

And despite all of those 'strikes' against him, he's put up better overall numbers than any healthy receiver on this team not named Owens.

In my opinion, this team isn't as 'deep' at receiver as some people seem to think it is.

 

[Stash]

no kidding :laugh2:

I'm the first guy to admit it.

I wouldn't be much of a 'Campaign Manager' otherwise, would I?

But at the same time, I'm not lying or making stuff up to support my case either.

 

[dbair1967]

What's your stance on Alvin Harper? Was he a bust? A Disappointment with lousy numbers who couldn't play?

would you please stop with this non-sense of comparing Alvin Harper, a guy who was a 4yr starter here and legit contributor on a super bowl championship team to a total scrub like Matt Jones. Harper was one of the league's most feared big play threats while he was here and came up big in the postseason as well in all but one game while he was here...the fewest yds per catch that Harper averaged in Dallas was 16.1, he had two of his four yrs over 21.6 and his high was an amazing 24.9...the guy averaged a ridiculous 27.9 yds per catch in the postseason with us and added another 4 tds on 24 receptions and came up with several huge plays in those games

You speak of 'every opportunity' and I see a guy who wasn't named a starter even after he led the team in receiving. Where's the opportunity there? Tell me your attitude wouldn't be affected after that.

what do you not get about this? he doesnt start because he sux dude...they see him every day in practice as well as his week to week disappearing act in the games themselves

I see a guy who was in the coach's doghouse and got deactivated for 4 games last year. You can pin it all on Jones, but the fact is that none of Jacksonville's receivers develop and that include guys who played the position for their entire career. But ignore that because it might exonerate Jones from all the blame.

The Jags needed WR's to make plays...Jones doesnt, thats why he doesnt play...that along with his piis poor work ethic


And yet somehow, miraculously, the guy has 101 catches and 13 TD's in 3 seasons of part-time play?

doesnt take much to impress you does it?

Conversely, 'your hero' Patrick Crayton has 120 catches in 4 seasons and 14 TD's?

and conversely, one works hard, has improved every yr in the league and showed he actually belonged in this league...one clearly hasnt

Despite the fact that Jones has 5 career starts to Crayton's 20.

shows you how bad Jones really sux then doesnt it? Teams dont usually give up on first rd picks at positions where they are desperate for help at unless something is seriously wrong

when they finally do cut the loser and almost nobody shows interest and he hardly plays AGAIN this yr, will you stop this non sense?

David

 

[Stash]

would you please stop with this non-sense of comparing Alvin Harper, a guy who was a 4yr starter here and legit contributor on a super bowl championship team to a total scrub like Matt Jones. Harper was one of the league's most feared big play threats while he was here and came up big in the postseason as well in all but one game while he was here...the fewest yds per catch that Harper averaged in Dallas was 16.1, he had two of his four yrs over 21.6 and his high was an amazing 24.9...the guy averaged a ridiculous 27.9 yds per catch in the postseason with us and added another 4 tds on 24 receptions and came up with several huge plays in those games

Are the numbers inaccurate? No, anyone can look them up on NFL.com, but apparently because one guy played on a Super Bowl team and the other didn't, some people get confused about talent level and ability.

what do you not get about this? he doesnt start because he sux dude...they see him every day in practice as well as his week to week disappearing act in the games themselves

Great judges of receiving talent that they are, considering all of their other receivers are doing so well?

The Jags needed WR's to make plays...Jones doesnt, thats why he doesnt play...that along with his piis poor work ethic

And yet somehow, miraculously, the guy has 101 catches and 13 TD's in 3 seasons of part-time play?

doesnt take much to impress you does it?

Again, those numbers are better than Harper's over the same period of his career. So who 'sucks' worse? Jones or Harper?

and conversely, one works hard, has improved every yr in the league and showed he actually belonged in this league...one clearly hasnt

Yeah, Crayton really 'earned' that starting role last year, didn't he? If not for Glenn's injury, and no other options, Crayton isn't starting in Dallas either. You know it, and I know it. Your hero fell into the job - right place, right time.

shows you how bad Jones really sux then doesnt it? Teams dont usually give up on first rd picks at positions where they are desperate for help at unless something is seriously wrong

New England got Moss for a freakin' 4th round draft pick! Plenty of players are in bad situations at one time or another.

when they finally do cut the loser and almost nobody shows interest and he hardly plays AGAIN this yr, will you stop this non sense?

Sure I will. There'd be no point campaigning for the move then.

When that doesn't happen will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?

 

[dbair1967]

You're right, Jones isn't currently near Plaxico's level. But I think their 'games' are similar.



Jones is still developing, but even though he is, he's still put up good numbers. Not great numbers, but good ones. Comparatively better than Crayton's over less time with fewer starts.
He still has things to learn, but he's capable of playing now as well.

I think you'd be getting a guy who can play, but still has margin for upside.

But I'm obviously biased here.

biased and absolutely delusional

David

 

[dbair1967]

Are the numbers inaccurate? No, anyone can look them up on NFL.com, but apparently because one guy played on a Super Bowl team and the other didn't, some people get confused about talent level and ability.

what numbers are you looking at for this non-sense? Harper played 4yrs here, caught 124 passes for 2486yds (avg of 20.0yds per catch) and scored 18tds...that means his AVERAGE season was 31 receptions for 621yds, 20.0yds per catch and 4.5tds...his numbers got better every year in Dallas...his 4yr yds per catch totals dwarfed Jones'...16.3, 16.1, 21.6 & 24.9...then he added 24 more catches for 655yds (27.3avg) and 4 more tds in te postseason...if both guys avg the same amount of catches, but one guys averages a good 7 yds per catch or so more, gee I dunno, who's better Stash?

Great judges of receiving talent that they are, considering all of their other receivers are doing so well?

and he'd be one of those mistakes, but Wilford and Reggie Williams have both been better than Jones

Again, those numbers are better than Harper's over the same period of his career. So who 'sucks' worse? Jones or Harper?

see above...I guess you've said this so much now that you really believe its true, when clearly it isnt...nor if you watched the two play together would anyone with half a brain draw the same conclusion

Yeah, Crayton really 'earned' that starting role last year, didn't he? If not for Glenn's injury, and no other options, Crayton isn't starting in Dallas either. You know it, and I know it. Your hero fell into the job - right place, right time.

who ever said he earned it? He did his job so well though that he earned a 4yr, multi million dollar extension didnt he? Highly doubt Matt Jones is ever seeing a 4yr contract extension at any point during his dismal career, and unlike Jones who almost assuredly will be dumped by his team, Crayton clearly wont be here and is an integral part of the offense whether he starts as the #2 guy or ends up as the #3 guy

New England got Moss for a freakin' 4th round draft pick! Plenty of players are in bad situations at one time or another.

Moss= talent, Matt Jones= no talent

When that doesn't happen will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?

sure will...but even if he does end up somewhere, I'll stick by my guns and say he'll never be productive nor will he ever earn a starting job...he just doesnt have the skill set for the position, nor does he work hard

David

 

[Nors]

Read the red flags on his draft bio

Raw athlete who was not a WR, Attitude and motivation ?'s