Yahoo: Jerry talking to players about T.O. - 2/6/09

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5Countem5;2626884 said:
There's not a single freakin' report with someone's name on it as a "source". :lmao2:

And if they come out and refute all this silliness, then it gets bigger and you'd say "See it m ust be true because they are trying to do damage control".

Say hi to Santa and the Loch Nes Monster for me...

Ha! I give you credit for fiestiness. It's all really simple: Assuming that ESPN, the Dallas Morning News, the Ft. Worth Star Telegram, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo Sports, the NFL Network and on and on and on all are making up stories about the Cowboys and Owens, mostly in lock step, or stretching the truth to the breaking point, why don't the Cowboys simply refute them, point by point? Particularly since the Cowboys are a partner in the NFL Network.
 

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shaketiller;2626892 said:
Ha! I give you credit for fiestiness. It's all really simple: Assuming that ESPN, the Dallas Morning News, the Ft. Worth Star Telegram, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo Sports, the NFL Network and on and on and on all are making up stories about the Cowboys and Owens, mostly in lock step, or stretching the truth to the breaking point, why don't the Cowboys simply refute them, point by point? Particularly since the Cowboys are a partner in the NFL Network.

Sorta like when Jerry said something non-controversial, but clumsy about Barber's injury and then when he tried to explain- every outlet talked how he was "changing his story" and "backing up"? That's what happens in these deals, the explanation gives it credibility to people like you- it's best to let people's attention spans take them somewhere else.

Silence is the best weapon, of course then people like you say , "See! They don't even deny it!" LOL

I wouldn't waste energy on this nonsense either.
 

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5Countem5;2626899 said:
Sorta like when Jerry said something non-controversial, but clumsy about Barber's injury and then when he tried to explain- every outlet talked how he was "changing his story" and "backing up"? That's what happens in these deals, the explanation gives it credibility to people like you- it's best to let people's attention spans take them somewhere else.

Silence is the best weapon, of course then people like you say , "See! They don't even deny it!" LOL

I wouldn't waste energy on this nonsense either.

What?
 

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Dave_in-NC;2626888 said:
Do you have proof saying other wise? :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :rolleyes:
Or is it your educated or non guess?

Do YOU have any proof?

See if someone tells me something is happening and I see no proof- then I remain doubtful.

When someone tells you something- you just swallow it hook, line and sinker.
 

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shaketiller;2626901 said:

What part are you confused about?

The reason they don't refute it is because people like you think that it PROVES the assertion.
 

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5Countem5;2626907 said:
What part are you confused about?

The reason they don't refute it is because people like you think that it PROVES the assertion.

Can you not read through your own post and identify the contradiction?
 

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shaketiller;2626908 said:
Can you not read through your own post and identify the contradiction?

Step 1- A lie is told in the media

Step 2- How to address it.

Step 2A- Deny the report and realize that the denial will become news and keep the story going longer and know that the denial will become proof to some that the original lie was true.

Step 2B- Remain silent and remember some will think the silence means the original story is true BUT it will not thrust the story into a longer run.

Silence seems the best way to go.
 

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5Countem5;2626862 said:
Actually you have it reversed.

You have one group of people that demand evidence of something happening.

And you have another group that will believe anything that is thrown out , with the flimsiest of proof by "reporters" paid to make controversy, just because it fits into what they think is happening. Those folks are the "Bigfoot video believers"...

dcfanatic..... calling dcfanatic to the waiting room
 

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5Countem5;2626912 said:
Step 1- A lie is told in the media

Step 2- How to address it.

Step 2A- Deny the report and realize that the denial will become news and keep the story going longer and know that the denial will become proof to some that the original lie was true.

Step 2B- Remain silent and remember some will think the silence means the original story is true BUT it will not thrust the story into a longer run.

Silence seems the best way to go.

I think, think I understand what you are trying to say. Assuming Step 2B was the Cowboys' nonsensical strategy, it sure seems to have failed, doesn't it?
 

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Dave_in-NC;2626867 said:
Romo said to Witten,

"welcome to my world" Shortly after the last owens spouting off.

Don't be to surprised if Romo doesn't want owens around. How goes it Jordan?

No he said that to Kober I believe in an interview with the both of them after Witten repeatedly stated that he did not know how he got involved in the whole thing.
 

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shaketiller;2626914 said:
I think, think I understand what you are trying to say. Assuming Step 2B was the Cowboys' nonsensical strategy, it sure seems to have failed, doesn't it?


The other will fail worse, wouldn't you agree?
 

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good point about romo. Locally, Every station I listen to here over the past month just as many people want him removed as owens.

So romo could be that guy.

what city and station are you listening to? i listen to every station in DFW and i never hear anyone that wants Romo gone, they all want hi to get better ...but not gone

ALL OF THEM.

That is all I hear. You should have hear scruggs and salisbury's show thursday.

Salisbury's had a list of qbs he would take over romo, it was like 20 qbs deep and everyone was calling in and agreeing sayin romo is not that good.

and without being a jerk about it, there is a serious racial issue with it.
 

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5Countem5;2626918 said:
The other will fail worse, wouldn't you agree?

No, not at all. The best strategy to refute a "lie" is to refute a "lie." The Cowboys have smart enough PR people to realize that.
 

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shaketiller;2626922 said:
No, not at all. The best strategy to refute a "lie" is to refute a "lie." The Cowboys have smart enough PR people to realize that.

So if the Cowboy PR department and Jerry Jones buy 30 minutes of PrimeTime tv and get on there and state that TO is not a cancer- the TO-haters would say,"Well I guess I was mistaken!" Or would they say, "Man things must be bad for Jerry to spend so much to cover up the truth."


C'mon man, get real.
 

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shaketiller;2626922 said:
No, not at all. The best strategy to refute a "lie" is to refute a "lie." The Cowboys have smart enough PR people to realize that.

That is true when you are dealing with a sane rational person that is willing to listen.

The masses are none of that and as people like yourself demonstrate, you're going to believe whatever you want anyway.

Jones got on GAC to set the record straight and got hammered for it. He should not have bothered.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2626934 said:
That is true when you are dealing with a sane rational person that is willing to listen.

The masses are none of that and as people like yourself demonstrate, you're going to believe whatever you want anyway.

Jones got on GAC to set the record straight and got hammered for it. He should not have bothered.

Being obnoxious does nothing to help your case... but it might explain your thought process.
 

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5Countem5;2626703 said:
I actually think one reporter seriously embellishes something they hear, and then the rest pile on and use the original report as a source. Then other reporters don't want to look bad to their editors and their madeup "sources" start talking and then they get another story a little better than the original made up story and so it goes...

First, I agree with you that a story can be "embellished." It just depends on what you mean by embellish.
For the record, I believe Ed Werder's account that got everyone here and on the Cowboys' staff in a tizzy. However, I believe the term "jealous" might have been either a player's description or Werder's description. That may be "embellishment," but that embellishment doesn't detract from the overall story.

Second, I'm sorry, but journalists don't and can't "borrow" others material without attribution. That's not how the business works, unless the information comes from the AP - which most news operations subscribe to.

An outfit like the Dallas Morning News WILL NOT steal Werder's story UNLESS:

a. It verifies the story itself or

b. It credits Werder and ESPN.

What happens and why other media pick up on the story is that other media have inroads to the team. Don't think that only Ed Werder has the numbers of Cowboys front office types and players. Jay Glazer, Adam Shefter (spelling) and others do too. If they're scooped, they merely pick up the phone, call a player and say, "Hey, is it true there's dissention in the locker room?" And if the player says, "Yes," they go from there with more questions or asking enough questions that allow them to verify the initial story is true.
FOX is not paying Glazer, DMN is not making JJT, Calvin Watkins et. al., ESPN is not paying Werder all this money to rip and read other reporters' stories. That's ridiculous.

People who say the media fabricates these stories really don't know what they're talking about. Media operations pride themselves on getting inside stories and, more than anything, cultivating sources. You're not going to last long in this business "fabricating" stories or "stealing" scoops from other news outlets. You're just not.

But those who have little or no understanding of media or who haven't worked in the business concoct these scenarios where reporters are sitting at their desks, crafting lies to sell newspapers or to drive ratings. And then they want to use Jason Blair situations to give their concoctions a bit of credence and credibility.

And then to ignore the words of the players themselves who, although trying to put a positive spin on the situation, verify every story published about the Cowboys and their locker room turmoil.

As the saying goes, where there's smoke ...
 

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Dave_in-NC;2626867 said:
Romo said to Witten,

"welcome to my world" Shortly after the last owens spouting off.

Don't be to surprised if Romo doesn't want owens around. How goes it Jordan?

Source?

I'm sure if Romo said that to Witten, he was referring to being in the center of media controversy in general.

What OTHER world do you think he was being "welcomed to" when Ed Werder's hack article was posted on ESPN? Tony Romo had never had a story about he and T.O. having a sour relationship posted anywhere before...never had anonymous sources claiming anything about he and Owens before. Not once.

This was the first time either man had anything coming up regarding them and a supposedly contentious relationship with Owens.

On the other hand, Romo's comment makes perfect sense in the context of him receiving constant sensationalized scrutiny in the press.

Couldn't be that, though, could it Dave?

Then again, look who I'm talking to. Even the people who agree with you in the general scheme of things are embarrassed that you're on their side. You're one of those people whom everyone knows "what" they're dealing with within a few posts.

No offense, though. :laugh2:
 

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McLovin;2626740 said:
Actually he had a few blow ups in the media, the difference wa that it was in the 80s and much fewer homes had cable and the internet didn't exist.

If you are ignoring the "media era" concept, then I suppose you want to assume "Ty Cobb" was a hell of a teammate.

But ESPN was around when Rice was a player. So you argument doesn't really fly.

It doesn't matter whether fewer homes had cable. If ESPN is trying to establish itself, why wouldn't it use one of the best teams in the league to promote its product?

Rice didn't play to the media like T.O. does. It's not even close.

And the Ty Cobb's comment is irrelevant.

Be that as it may, the issue is this. We know that we live in a world where the media is more prevalent. So what are you going to do? Are you going to be a Michael Phelps and get caught smoking from a bong when you know everyone and their grandmother owns a cell phone/camera? Or are you going to do that in private and keep it private?

Blaming everything on the media is an excuse. These players know they're in a new generation. Act accordingly. Otherwise, get exposed.
 

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tyke1doe;2626947 said:
People who say the media fabricates these stories really don't know what they're talking about. Media operations pride themselves on getting inside stories and, more than anything, cultivating sources. You're not going to last long in this business "fabricating" stories or "stealing" scoops from other news outlets. You're just not.

Wow, you have absolutely no idea how the mass media operates.
 
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