Yahoo: Jones put Dez in bad situation

[Diehardblues]

Lol - the discussion didn’t lead there, you took it there with an illogical premise. You indicated that your hindsight knowledge that there wasn’t enough of a market to be able to trade Dez somehow meant the team didn’t have to use the time to try and trade Dez to get that knowledge for itself.

My responses are spurred by the discussion wherever it leads. Sorry if it doesn’t fit for you.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why do you consider it so impossible to think a team could actually take time to weigh options as the offseaon unfolded or that they might have tried to trade Dez? Everything in life isn’t clear and concrete at every point in time such that concrete decisions and concrete timing of decisions are always available and easy.

Why were Anderson, Worley, Marshall, Fleener and others released as later than Dez was. Don’t you think it’s possible their teams were maybe weighing options and forming decisions?

I get you don’t agree with my view. And I’m not expecting to sway yours.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is illogical. Not being able to make a deal doesn’t mean they didn’t want or try to use the money save from cutting Dez to make a deal.

Why do you consider it so impossible to think a team could actually take time to weigh options as the offseaon unfolded or that they might have tried to trade Dez? Everything in life isn’t clear and concrete at every point in time such that concrete decisions and concrete timing of decisions are always available and easy.

Why were Anderson, Worley, Marshall, Fleener and others released as later than Dez was. Don’t you think it’s possible their teams were maybe weighing options and forming decisions?

Because it’s our FO. Lol

 

[OmerV]

My responses are spurred by the discussion wherever it leads. Sorry if it doesn’t fit for you.

Making an irrelevant or illogical point is not going where the discussion leads, it’s veering the discussion away from where it leads.

 

[OmerV]

I get you don’t agree with my view. And I’m not expecting to sway yours.

I don’t have a problem with differing opinions, I just have a problem with opinions that are based on arguments that don’t logically support them.

 

[Diehardblues]

Making an irrelevant or illogical point is not going where the discussion leads, it’s veering the discussion away from where it leads.

These discussions often get derailed or steered away from the original point. Whatever

 

[Diehardblues]

I don’t have a problem with differing opinions, I just have a problem with opinions that are based on arguments that don’t logically support them.

Lol.. ok then. You don’t like my view.

 

[Kevinicus]

All negotiations are not the same, and all tactics don’t fit all situations. Sometimes it’s better to show a willingness to negotiate. For him to use that kind of hard line as a tactic he would have to have assumed the Cowboys felt he was so essential they were willing to use his hard line as a starting point for a negotiation. Obviously he misjudged the Cowboys viewpoint, which made it was a stupid tactic.

This makes no sense.

Zero.

If the Cowboys were always going to cut him (and factoring in everything that appears to be the case), then nothing he said would matter. If the team was going to ask for a paycut, then it would be stupid to suggest he would be willing right up front. That would put him at a disadvantage. You think he is stupid for not tipping his hand...which is not smart.

 

[Xelda]

Dez should have taken the Raven's offer, but that's hindsight. I don't wish bad for him even though I know he's angry with the Cowboys right now. With the right QB, he could still be a great weapon.

 

[Captain-Crash]

end of discussion, "Spock has spoken"..

 

[OmerV]

This makes no sense.

Zero.

If the Cowboys were always going to cut him (and factoring in everything that appears to be the case), then nothing he said would matter. If the team was going to ask for a paycut, then it would be stupid to suggest he would be willing right up front. That would put him at a disadvantage. You think he is stupid for not tipping his hand...which is not smart.

And you are under the impression Dez knew they were going to cut him no matter what? If he did he’s a great actor then, because he sure seemed shocked and upset.

I can tell you have no experience with negotiations since you don’t understand that all negotiated situations are not the same, and not all call for the same tactics. The approach is different based on strength of position, desire to make a deal, willingness to walk away from a deal etc. he apparently desperately wanted to make a deal with Dallas, and Dallas, as we now know, was not desperate to make a deal, so Dez did not have a strong position, and a hard line tactic would be a poor choice. And the fact is, he wouldn’t have had to say he was willing to take a pay cut up front, but neither did he have to say hell no up front either. The smart thing would have been to not take a stand at all through the media at all.

Frankly I doubt it was a negotiation tactic anyway. Dez has pretty well shown himself to be prone to emotional reaction, and that’s what I expect his hard line comment was.

 

[OmerV]

These discussions often get derailed or steered away from the original point. Whatever

Lol - you’re the one that derailed it, except you continued to act as if you were supporting your original point.

 

[Kevinicus]

And you are under the impression Dez knew they were going to cut him no matter what? If he did he’s a great actor then, because he sure seemed shocked and upset.

Your inability to understand what I say continues to astonish. I am and have never been under any impression of the sort. Nor could anything I said could be construed that way. I merely pointed out one scenario that one would consider.

I can tell you have no experience with negotiations since you don’t understand that all negotiated situations are not the same, and not all call for the same tactics. The approach is different based on strength of position, desire to make a deal, willingness to walk away from a deal etc. he apparently desperately wanted to make a deal with Dallas, and Dallas, as we now know, was not desperate to make a deal, so Dez did not have a strong position, and a hard line tactic would be a poor choice. And the fact is, he wouldn’t have had to say he was willing to take a pay cut up front, but neither did he have to say hell no up front either. The smart thing would have been to not take a stand at all through the media at all.

Frankly I doubt it was a negotiation tactic anyway. Dez has pretty well shown himself to be prone to emotional reaction, and that’s what I expect his hard line comment was.

His response was pretty much standard and what you would expect from any player. It's like you are new to the NFL this offseason and have never seen these type of things. Dez may have been willing to take a paycut, but he would absolutely not want to take one if he didn't have to. I would advise anyone doing negotiations to avoid your advice. You start from the most beneficial position for yourself and go from there. You don't start at the point you are willing to accept. Dez started from the position of his current contract, as any rational player would. If he has to come down, so be it, but he's still going to want the most he can get, and he won't get that if he starts up front with an indication he is open to it (and not saying "hell no" is exactly that).

 

[AmericasTeam81]

We still talking about Dez. Damn.