Yahoo: Jones put Dez in bad situation

[PhillyCowboysFan]

We signed Hurns on March 23, so Dez was cut three weeks after we secured his replacement. I'm not sure, though, that the front office was absolutely sold on Hurns being Dez's replacement. Sammy Watkins was the player the team targeted to replace Dez, but went for higher than I think Dallas thought he would (the usual theme for free agency). At that point, the possibility of replacing Dez likely seemed dead until Hurns was released. The Cowboys worked to quickly secure him and then IMO took time to talk over whether signing him was enough to move on from Bryant.

We don’t know so this is all speculation, but I am one for this scenario.

 

[Diehardblues]

You are missing the point. You are talking with the benefit of hindsight, but at the time the only way for the Cowboys to be sure they couldn’t get at least some small return for Dez would have been to try and trade Dez and pursue every avenue they could before giving up on the idea. The fact they found it wasn’t possible doesn’t change the fact it would have taken time to go through the process and exhaust all possibilities.

And, again, this isn’t the only possible explanation for the passage of a few weeks. We’ve discussed others.

And remember, the Cowboy are not the only team that released players, even notable ones, as late as Dez was released, or even later. Ultimately between looking at trades and free agents and forming a draft board and speculating on what players might be cut from other teams that may become an option, it’s not that outlandish that a team might want to let things play out a little longer

As fans playing Monday Morning QB or GM we are allowed hindsight. Ha

 

[Diehardblues]

If your concern is with the team rather than Dez, I don’t understand why it bothers you. Even if it didn’t ultimately help the team by waiting a few weeks to release Dez, it didn’t hurt the team either, so there was no damage to the Cowboys.

The best bet is the team waited those few weeks because it was still weighing options, whether looking into trade possibilities or considering whether to keep Dez if no other deals were made, or something else that fans aren’t aware of, or some combination of things.

It bothers me because we haven’t used his Cap savings. So far it’s just a money grab which hasn’t added talent to our roster.

 

[gimmesix]

It bothers me because we haven’t used his Cap savings. So far it’s just a money grab which hasn’t added talent to our roster.

I believe we were hoping (and maybe still are) to use it on Earl Thomas, but it didn't work out. We tried to reach Seattle in the third round to work out a deal, but the Seahawks didn't answer. Eventually, we might use it on some other position once Thomas is completely out of the picture or if we end up liking what we have at safety more than what we have at a different spot..

 

[CCBoy]

Guess what's behind this door, Dez...

 

[Diehardblues]

I believe we were hoping (and maybe still are) to use it on Earl Thomas, but it didn't work out. We tried to reach Seattle in the third round to work out a deal, but the Seahawks didn't answer.

When and if that happens I’ll applaud .

As fans we can still critique the results despite whatever efforts were made.

 

[OmerV]

As fans playing Monday Morning QB or GM we are allowed hindsight. Ha

We are allowed to use himdsight to determine if a plan worked or not, but we aren’t allowed to pretend the team had the benefit of hindsight when they made the plan.

 

[Diehardblues]

We are allowed to use himdsight to determine if a plan worked or not, but we aren’t allowed to pretend the team had the benefit of hindsight when they made the plan.

No, but we’re still allowed to critique the results despite whatever their intentions or efforts were.

 

[OmerV]

It bothers me because we haven’t used his Cap savings. So far it’s just a money grab which hasn’t added talent to our roster.

Again, this is hindsight knowledge. The fact they haven’t spent the money doesn’t mean they haven’t tried. Again, the reports were that were working on a deal for ET even up to the second day of the draft. And they still may sign somebod. Hankins possibly. The book isn’t yet closed.

 

[G2]

Again, this is hindsight knowledge. The fact they haven’t spent the money doesn’t mean they haven’t tried. Again, the reports were that were working on a deal for ET even up to the second day of the draft. And they still may sign somebod. Hankins possibly. The book isn’t yet closed.

Why is this concept so hard for some to digest?

 

[Diehardblues]

Again, this is hindsight knowledge. The fact they haven’t spent the money doesn’t mean they haven’t tried. Again, the reports were that were working on a deal for ET even up to the second day of the draft. And they still may sign somebod. Hankins possibly. The book isn’t yet closed.

I understand . But until the Cap savings is used we can critique it as I mentioned above.

 

[OmerV]

No, but we’re still allowed to critique the results despite whatever their intentions or efforts were.

I never said anything that suggested we can’t critique the results, but the results of trade efforts was never in dispute in our discussion. The discussion was about the what may have caused the delay of a few weeks in releasing Dez, and the lack of results in an effort to trade Dez doesn’t somehow mean the effort wasn’t made or that the effort wouldn’t have taken time.

 

[OmerV]

I understand . But until the Cap savings is used we can critique it as I mentioned above.

You are changing the discussion now. You were arguing about the timing of releasing Dez, and now you are talking about not being able to get the deal done for ET or someone else, and those two issues are not synonymous. They could have released Dez 2weeks earlier or 2weeks later and still not been able to make the deal happen for ET or someone else.

 

[Diehardblues]

I never said anything that suggested we can’t critique the results, but the results of trade efforts was never in dispute in our discussion. The discussion was about the what may have caused the delay of a few weeks in releasing Dez, and the lack of results in an effort to trade Dez doesn’t somehow mean the effort wasn’t made or that the effort wouldn’t have taken time.

Correct but like I said the intentions or efforts didn’t result in improving our roster. Not yet anyway.

 

[Diehardblues]

You are changing the discussion now. You were arguing about the timing of releasing Dez, and now you are talking about not being able to get the deal done for ET or someone else, and those two issues are not synonymous. They could have released Dez 2weeks earlier or 2weeks later and still not been able to make the deal happen for ET or someone else.

I’m just going where the discussion leads .

If they had released Dez earlier if the Earl deal fell thru would have had time to pursue other talent in FA. As it stands thus far all we have is Cap savings and no additional talent .

 

[OmerV]

Correct but like I said the intentions or efforts didn’t result in improving our roster. Not yet anyway.

And I don’t disagree with that. That just wasn’t what we were talking about.

 

[Diehardblues]

If you had to settle between keeping the Cap savings with no additional added talent or hanging on to Dez another year, what would you do?

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s beginning to look like we had a bigger issue with paying Dez than using the money elsewhere?

And if that’s the case an argument could be made we didn’t afford him the best opportunity to seek offers elsewhere in FA once we’d made that decision which appeared to have been earlier than the release and probably why he has a hardon for us.

 

[OmerV]

I’m just going where the discussion leads .

If they had released Dez earlier if the Earl deal fell thru would have had time to pursue other talent in FA. As it stands thus far all we have is Cap savings and no additional talent .

Lol - the discussion didn’t lead there, you took it there with an illogical premise. You indicated that your hindsight knowledge that there wasn’t enough of a market to be able to trade Dez somehow meant the team didn’t have to use the time to try and trade Dez to get that knowledge for itself.

 

[OmerV]

It’s beginning to look like we had a bigger issue with paying Dez than using the money elsewhere?

And if that’s the case an argument could be made we didn’t afford him the best opportunity to seek offers elsewhere in FA once we’d made that decision which appeared to have been earlier than the release and probably why he has a hardon for us.

This is illogical. Not being able to make a deal doesn’t mean they didn’t want or try to use the money save from cutting Dez to make a deal.

Why do you consider it so impossible to think a team could actually take time to weigh options as the offseaon unfolded or that they might have tried to trade Dez? Everything in life isn’t clear and concrete at every point in time such that concrete decisions and concrete timing of decisions are always available and easy.

Why were Anderson, Worley, Marshall, Fleener and others released as later than Dez was. Don’t you think it’s possible their teams were maybe weighing options and forming decisions?