Yahoo: Jones put Dez in bad situation

[Kevinicus]

That’s the point, you are applying criticism to one team while not applying the same criticism to other teams who did exactly the same thing. I don’t know how you think it makes your case stronger to admit you have a double standard.

I did not admit to a double standard. I haven't commented in favor or against actions of other teams. Seriously, must you put words in my mouth every time you quote me?

 

[OmerV]

It's an indication of negotiation. He'd be a full to just come out and say, "sure, absolutely."

I mean you don't expect him to *want* a paycut do you?

Then it was a stupid negotiation tactic for him. Lol. He apparently overestimated how much the Cowboys were willing to negotiate

 

[OmerV]

I did not admit to a double standard. I haven't commented in favor or against actions of other teams. Seriously, must you put words in my mouth every time you quote me?

Oh, so it’s just that you are unwilling to commit to releasing players later in free agency being a sign of incompetence except when the Cowboys do it. Yeah, that’s fair.

 

[Kevinicus]

Then it was a stupid negotiation tactic for him. Lol. He apparently overestimated how much the Cowboys were willing to negotiate

You assume there was ever going to be a negotiation and that his comments had any impact on anything. If it did, the Cowboys are run worse than I ever thought.

 

[Kevinicus]

Oh, so it’s just that you are unwilling to commit to releasing players later in free agency being a sign of incompetence except when the Cowboys do it. Yeah, that’s fair.

I follow the Cowboys. I know a lot more about the Cowboys than other teams. I won't comment on situations I am completely unfamiliar with.

Other teams are definitely incompetent at times, however.

 

[OmerV]

You assume there was ever going to be a negotiation and that his comments had any impact on anything. If it did, the Cowboys are run worse than I ever thought.

I don’t know if there was going to be a negotiation or not, I just said it was a stupid tactic, if, in fact, that’s what it was. To use that tactic would mean he assumed the Cowboys would consider him essential to keep on the team.

 

[Kevinicus]

I don’t know if there was going to be a negotiation or not, I just said it was a stupid tactic.

Based on what? It's the smart answer if there was to be a negotiation. If there wasn't, then it didn"t matter.

 

[OmerV]

Based on what? It's the smart answer if there was to be a negotiation. If there wasn't, then it didn"t matter.

All negotiations are not the same, and all tactics don’t fit all situations. Sometimes it’s better to show a willingness to negotiate. For him to use that kind of hard line as a tactic he would have to have assumed the Cowboys felt he was so essential they were willing to use his hard line as a starting point for a negotiation. Obviously he misjudged the Cowboys viewpoint, which made it was a stupid tactic.

 

[Buzzbait]

I agree that waiting a month into free agency kinda screwed Dez over but that wasn't the intention. I think it just took that long for the coaches to convince Jerry to pull the trigger. This decision wasn't a foregone conclusion at the end of the season.

I agree, there was nothing intentional or sinister about the timing of Dez's release. Plus like was pointed out earlier, if Dez turned down a Baltimore offer, then he hurt himself.

 

[jay94]

Dez put Dez in a bad spot, he openly said he wouldn't take a pay cut although is production was crap and he has always been a drama queen, don't worry I still wish him well.

 

[G2]

Wasn't there some date that they needed to release him by that had something to do with injury?

 

[Diehardblues]

Of course, while there was a distinct posibility Dez would be released, it was not a certainty, and, again, if he were released, a team that may have wanted him wouldn’t automatically get him over the other 30 teams.

But, as we know now, nobody was willing to trade for him. But that doesn’t mean the Cowboys should have conceded it without making the effort. The best interest of the team clearly would be to at least try.

Yea but there wasn’t enough demand for Dez to overpay when it was well known we were most likely going to release him. That just isn’t a reasonable explanation however you spin it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Wasn't there some date that they needed to release him by that had something to do with injury?

Yes, the voluntary practice coming up the following week which Dez would have probably skipped.

 

[Diehardblues]

If it wasn't this year it was going to be next year.

Right...

If we aren’t going to use his Cap savings this year we might as well kept him another year unless as fans we have some incentive on the Cash saved? Lol

 

[Diehardblues]

Since we presumably were still pursuing a deal for ET even up to the second day of the draft, you are talking about a scenario where, if we had traded our second round pick for ET as was reported would happen, then Dez wouldn’t have been released until 2 weeks after he was. How would that have helped Dez?

I’m not as concerned about it helping Dez as how it helped us releasing him late.

 

[Cowboys22]

Why is anyone still talking about Dez? He got paid and no longer felt the need to stay elite for the Cowboys. Then when cut, he only cares about sticking it to the Cowboys. Well, screw him. He is dead to me now. I hope he never goes into the ring of honor and I hope the majority of Cowboy fans never so him the love and respect they do for most ex players.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why is anyone still talking about Dez? He got paid and no longer felt the need to stay elite for the Cowboys. Then when cut, he only cares about sticking it to the Cowboys. Well, screw him. He is dead to me now. I hope he never goes into the ring of honor and I hope the majority of Cowboy fans never so him the love and respect they do for most ex players.

But yet your here chiming in??

 

[OmerV]

Yea but there wasn’t enough demand for Dez to overpay when it was well known we were most likely going to release him. That just isn’t a reasonable explanation however you spin it.

You are missing the point. You are talking with the benefit of hindsight, but at the time the only way for the Cowboys to be sure they couldn’t get at least some small return for Dez would have been to try and trade Dez and pursue every avenue they could before giving up on the idea. The fact they found it wasn’t possible doesn’t change the fact it would have taken time to go through the process and exhaust all possibilities.

And, again, this isn’t the only possible explanation for the passage of a few weeks. We’ve discussed others.

And remember, the Cowboy are not the only team that released players, even notable ones, as late as Dez was released, or even later. Ultimately between looking at trades and free agents and forming a draft board and speculating on what players might be cut from other teams that may become an option, it’s not that outlandish that a team might want to let things play out a little longer

 

[OmerV]

I’m not as concerned about it helping Dez as how it helped us releasing him late.

If your concern is with the team rather than Dez, I don’t understand why it bothers you. Even if it didn’t ultimately help the team by waiting a few weeks to release Dez, it didn’t hurt the team either, so there was no damage to the Cowboys.

The best bet is the team waited those few weeks because it was still weighing options, whether looking into trade possibilities or considering whether to keep Dez if no other deals were made, or something else that fans aren’t aware of, or some combination of things.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Here is something to think about. If teams wait until injury and bring Dez on without a full off season, and training camp, he will fail.

Dez is that kid who was moved to the other end of the room in grade school and the teacher worked with him. If Dez doesn't get that work, what does he bring? I have heard from the local "coaches" here that he runs all these routes. I have seen video by people who are not pros, but just fan wannabes telling me all the routes he ran.

I have seem three years of Dez injuries and poor production.

The team was making comments about working with Dez. But again, this is an eight year pro, and the team is getting a new WR coach and they have to get Dez' mind right to go out and do what he should be doing anyway.

They gave you more money than most people earn in a life time. That means something.

Think Jerry had to EVER ask Irvin to earn his paycheck?

If you are a Dez fan and this irritates you. I apologize. But truth is I had been souring on this guy over the 2017 season. Now watching the All or Nothing this just confirms this is a child-like mind in a guy who once had immense talent.

And consider this, For Jones to agree to send one of his favorites packing, there had to be enough cause that the other people in the room convinced him this was a positive move. Jones doesn't let go of his pet cats easily. And that may be why they waited to release him. Jerry needed further convincing.

But the onus falls on Dez and his attitude and behavior. And what the team had to go through to get the guy to perform.

That woman you're dating may turn heads when your out, and may be the best lay you ever had. But if she is a whiny biatch that is always negative and never satisfied, you fire her. There are just too many good women who back their guy and are positive to put up with Ms. Thing.

Evidently the team found a few of them.

JMO

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