Yahoo: Who was driving force that brought Dak Prescott to Cowboys and why did it take so long?

[DandyDon52]

It's picks like that tell me you have folks judging talent in the NFL that either lack knowledge or have a predisposed bias against picking certain players.

I think the scouts just watch games and put players in simple categories, they arent too bright, and it is not good to generalize .
There are a lot of college players, and it isnt easy to find the ones who can make it in NFL, but the current scouts,
are not going about it the right way, too many mistakes being made.
Also owners and gm's may not always listen to the scouts, and just take a player they like.

I think it makes sense linehan was the one who liked dak, as dak seems very close to him.
he also knew how to utilize dak so he would be efficient.
people say linehan will leave, but I think he stays with dak, I would.

 

[Dale]

"Some scouts didn’t realize there was far less NFL talent surrounding Prescott than they initially believed."

This just shows that a lot of people really overrate the scouting process. How do you have a professional scouting program and not know the talent at an SEC team?

This is probably the main difference in teams that actually draft well, and those that don't. Some teams just don't really care.

This was the line that shocked me the most. If anything, I thought the thing that was universally agreed upon when we drafted Dak was that he CARRIED a program that was otherwise poor in NFL talent. I recall reading about his struggles to throw deeper routes, and the justification that, "Well, he had no supporting talent." And this was well before this college football season began.

Seems like revisionist history on the quoted scout's part.

 

[Dale]

In all honesty, Dak did not show the talent at the college level to impress the scouts. I live in Mississippi and I watched just about every game he played in and he did not show the ability to throw accurately down field. I have always defended Dak as a person, but I had serious doubts about him ever playing at the pro level. I think the offensive scheme that he played in prevented him from fully showcasing his abilities. Dak did not have great WRs to throw to in college and I think that is another reason that his talent didn't show up.

I don't think enough can be said about the amount of work he has done post-college to improve and be ready to take an NFL field. His determination and hard work have been well chronicled. I think where people might have missed the mark on him is underestimating his ability to quickly refine his game. Which, really, can't be measured leading up to the draft.

I also think something tangibly clicked in his mind the second he started having success in the preseason. Look, all reports out of camp were saying that Moore was the No. 2 QB and that Dak/Showers were on relatively equal footing. It's not like the coaches even recognized Dak's potential level of play from practice. As the story noted, it wasn't until he got into games that he blossomed.

 

[DandyDon52]

All the Cowboys brass thought Prescott would be the perfect backup to groom behind Tony and Moore. Then Moore gets hurt, then Tony gets hurt. Then Dak steps in and performs like a veteran rather than a rookie.

We saw this mentality in the 90s Cowboys, which led to their demise, i.e., picking players who have backup talent so not to challenge the Emmitts and Aikmans on the roster.

Fortunately, Dak has rescued even Jerry, Garrett and Co. from this flawed thinking and may have rescued them from more years of hamster-treadmill running.

Imagine that.

yeah dak and linehan are making the jones boys and JG look better than they are.,
The only thing I credit them for is not putting romo back in, and staying with dak.
and letting linehan have more control over offense.

This isnt the same jg offense we have seen in the past, it has been modified.

 

[Dale]

Do I think every team would disqualify Dak because of race?

No.

Do I think some scouts/GMs/teams would hesitate to draft him because of race?

What people say in public is quite often much different from what they say behind closed doors.

Yeah I think it's naive to think that scouts -- whose job description essentially is to put people into predefined boxes -- aren't influenced on some level, at some point in time, by race.

 

[plasticman]

Again, Dak's success is the result of a combination of factors and, as the author pointed out, he probably would not have bern as successful on a different team.

I give credit to Wade Wilson anf Jason Garrett. It was Garrett's philosophy that created the culture and team chemistry capable of creating an environment conducive to Dak's success.

 

[Dodger12]

I just thought that scouts were lazy. I understand that they have a lot of guys to look at, but when it comes to QB, I want my scouts living, breathing guys. I would almost say that I'd like a scout for each position in the NFL. Yeah, I want 30 scouts on my team. I can afford it.

I agree completely Clove. You see teams that had a SB window like Seattle and SF (to a lesser extent) and their success directly correlates to some good draft classes. The QB position is just difficult to evaluate and if Moore didn't get hurt, we may never see Dak who, by some accounts, was not a great practice guy. Sometimes things just fall into place.

I see that this year if we can come away with a franchise QB and an MVP candidate at RB. If Smith and Tapper can give us something, and we build up the D in 2017, this could be as complete a team as I've seen post free agency.

 

[Dodger12]

I give credit to Wade Wilson anf Jason Garrett. It was Garrett's philosophy that created the culture and team chemistry capable of creating an environment conducive to Dak's success.

You think Wade or Garrett had a hand in breaking Kellen Moore's leg? That's cold.

 

[Macnalty]

well
Brown has played and pretty good
EE has been good
Rd 3, Pick 4 (67)

Collins, Maliek DT
Rd 4, Pick 3 (101) Tapper, Charles DE ....... I think both these have played but dont really know how well they played.
Frazier at SS not sure if he played this last game or not.
So the others havent played so I dont know.
Also not a big fan of the jaylon pick. may work out, but we really needed a def guy who could play this whole season.

Any QB's you like in this upcoming draft?

 

[DandyDon52]

I don't think enough can be said about the amount of work he has done post-college to improve and be ready to take an NFL field. His determination and hard work have been well chronicled. I think where people might have missed the mark on him is underestimating his ability to quickly refine his game. Which, really, can't be measured leading up to the draft.

I also think something tangibly clicked in his mind the second he started having success in the preseason. Look, all reports out of camp were saying that Moore was the No. 2 QB and that Dak/Showers were on relatively equal footing. It's not like the coaches even recognized Dak's potential level of play from practice. As the story noted, it wasn't until he got into games that he blossomed.

good post dale.
if they spent some time with dak then they might have seen his work ethic and learning ability is there.
I read about him after ps game 1, and thought this guy is a hard worker, and all in on being as good as he can be.
He told his brother or friend, after they said he was on easy street now, that it was a job and was a lot of work, all work.
So his work payed off.

I remember them saying Dak/Showers were on relatively equal footing.
Thing is at that point dak thought he would be doing good to make the roster, but then the injuries, gave him a opportunity,
and he was ready to take advantage of that , some people would not be ready for it. he was.
Then he worked even harder to try and keep the job which really required him to not have a bad game, win all games,
and not throw ints.
he had to do that for 8-9 weeks to get the job, and he did it.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Thankfully the staff coached that senior bowl. He was great in that game, and I really think that helped to see up close.

And of course the second article got it wrong... The staff coached against Dak, did not coach him. Journalism is dead...

"Where Dallas had some advantage in the scouting process was they had coached Prescott in the Senior Bowl. They worked with him in practice and meetings and Dallas quarterback coach Wade Wilson felt strong about Prescott’s traits and work ethic. He was the one who went to bat for Prescott in the Dallas draft meetings."

 

[DandyDon52]

Any QB's you like in this upcoming draft?

I dont follow college ball so I have no idea.

 

[DandyDon52]

And of course the second article got it wrong... The staff coached against Dak, did not coach him. Journalism is dead...

"Where Dallas had some advantage in the scouting process was they had coached Prescott in the Senior Bowl. They worked with him in practice and meetings and Dallas quarterback coach Wade Wilson felt strong about Prescott’s traits and work ethic. He was the one who went to bat for Prescott in the Dallas draft meetings."

lol the media is about as good as the scouts, arent they lol.

I do remember dallas or someone with dallas having a interest in Dak even before that bowl game.
I think they brought him to dallas to talk with him too, just not sure.

 

[Gameover]

I like Kessler. He could be the Kirk Cousins of this class(another guy I liked early in his career)

Damn I'm good:http://cowboyszone.com/threads/prescott-during-romos-absence.355726/#post-6792226

Check the date on the post. I am a sports genius! Where you at Risen! I put my neck in the giyotin and dared you to drop it!

I told you your future:http://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-tragic-comedy-that-is-our-beloved-team.355419/#post-6784569

 

[DandyDon52]

I like Kessler. He could be the Kirk Cousins of this class(another guy I liked early in his career)

Damn I'm good:http://cowboyszone.com/threads/prescott-during-romos-absence.355726/#post-6792226

Check the date on the post. I am a sports genius! Where you at Risen! I put my neck in the giyotin and dared you to drop it!

I told you your future:http://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-tragic-comedy-that-is-our-beloved-team.355419/#post-6784569

i think i beat you with this
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/qb-debate-tony-or-dak-week-one.354586/
but you did show confidence early, when others were saying 4-4 would be good, tony would be 6-2 if playing, and one said 80 qb rating.

 

[DandyDon52]

Again, Dak's success is the result of a combination of factors and, as the author pointed out, he probably would not have bern as successful on a different team.

I give credit to Wade Wilson anf Jason Garrett. It was Garrett's philosophy that created the culture and team chemistry capable of creating an environment conducive to Dak's success.

I give dak credit for the chemistry, as it wasnt here last year at all, and wasnt the same in 2014 , even though 2014 did have chemistry.

 

[Bullflop]

Sometimes the college offense that a QB plays under is a factor in inhibiting his true value in the pro ranks. The fact that Dak played in a spread offense at Miss. State as opposed to a pro-style offense did him no favors in terms of pro scouts identifying him as suitable for their team's offense.

It's also difficult to determine exactly how effective a QB will be in the transition to the pro style of football. As it turns out, Dak has a natural ability to assimilate information as to what works in a different offensive system and translate it to the field quickly and effectively. He's a quick study.

Managing in-game adjustments also proved, without a doubt, to be his calling card as well. Dak's list of intangibles is most assuredly a lengthy one, as well, with his intelligence, character and work ethic being key contributions. Put them all together and you've got yourself a bigtime winner.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

He has a rare ice water vein injector for game time. Weapon from the football gods. Bestowed only to the chosen few.

 

[Clove]

i think i beat you with this
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/qb-debate-tony-or-dak-week-one.354586/
but you did show confidence early, when others were saying 4-4 would be good, tony would be 6-2 if playing, and one said 80 qb rating.

Bravo bro, you went up against the entire Cowboys zone on this one. You're like Rosa Parks.

 

[ringmaster]

"Some scouts didn’t realize there was far less NFL talent surrounding Prescott than they initially believed."

This just shows that a lot of people really overrate the scouting process. How do you have a professional scouting program and not know the talent at an SEC team?

This is probably the main difference in teams that actually draft well, and those that don't. Some teams just don't really care.

I agree and it goes to show that sometimes over scouting and under scouting players can be a bad thing. As the case here with Dak count me as one of those fans who saw Dak, play the same way at Mississippi St.being in SEC country and the way he's playing now. Those scouts who lazily made such odd comments about not knowing Dak or not knowing that Miss St. didn't have any NFL talent on the team outside of Dak needs to turn in their scouting cards in the end no one knows which players are going to do well in the NFL all anyone can do is project which players in said rounds will have good NFL careers history shown us time again how scouts drop the ball on their analysis of certain players. I can guarantee some of these same scouts had Connor Cook, and Christian Hackenburg as better prospects than Dak and we know that is not the case now and if Cook, or Hackenburg was the Cowboys QB right now instead of Dak no way this is a 10-1 team regardless of having Zeke so glad that we struck gold in Dak.