Yet another proposed rule aimed at a Cowboys player (the Marion Barber rule)...

JonJon

Injured Reserve
Messages
11,262
Reaction score
733
Hey guys, I got a copy of all the other rule changes that are being discussed.

No counter/cutting back on running lanes (The Reggie Bush Rule):
Premises – gives offense unfair advantage by tricking defenders into thinking the player is going one way when he really is going somewhere else. This causes the defense to expend unnecessary energy in pursuant of tackling the ball carrier. Also, less agile defenders may break ankles trying to quickly change direction.

No more play-action passing/flea flickers (The Eli Manning Rule):
Premises – gives offense unfair advantage by tricking the defense into thinking the play is a run when it is actually a pass. This causes defenses to expend unnecessary energy in pursuant of the running back when said energy could be used to sack the QB or drop into coverage. Defenders who are fooled by this makes the NFL look bad (see SS Roy Williams).

No more pump fakes (The Peyton Manning Rule):
Premises – gives the offense an unfair advantage when the QB fakes like he is going to throw the ball, but by trickery, the ball remains in hand. This causes the defense to transfer his movement into the area in which the ball is supposedly going, when the ball is actually being thrown elsewhere. This is also known as “biting.” (See Carlos Rogers).

No more stripping the ball

Premises – gives defense unfair advantage by yanking the ball out of the ball carriers hand without his verbal or written consent. Said ball player is not allowed to successfully complete his run attempt and the ball is often taken away by the defense. This is known as stealing and is punishable by law.

No more intercepting the ball
Premises - gives defense unfair advantage by catching the ball away from a receiver in which the QB was distributing the ball to. In this situation, the giver, also known as the QB, is delivering the ball specifically to the receiver. Any impedance on the ball is known as stealing and is punishable by law.

No more no huddle offense
Premises – gives offense unfair advantage by executing another play, in rapid fashion, without huddling. This does not allow the defense to properly catch their breath and be physically ready for the next play. The lack of a huddle also prevents play call stealing by coaches, which is also not allowed.

No more rushing the QB
Premises – this gives the defense an unfair advantage by making the QB nervous and forcing him to get rid of the ball more quickly than he would like. This often results in sacks, incompletions, and interceptions, which are also not allowed. Before rushing in, defenders should ask the QB and receive verbal or written consent to know when the QB would like to have people crowding around him.
 

cwalk

Member
Messages
285
Reaction score
0
bigE79;2020033 said:
i was not about stiff arming,it was about grabbing the facemask while doing it

No...it was stiffarming to the face with a blow like Barber does....fact!!!
 

bigE79

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,787
Reaction score
9,728
wayne motley;2020047 said:
Personally, I would have no problem with this rule.

I have always thought it was entirely stupid to penalize a defender whose hand merely grazes the facemask with no grabbing at all, but a RB can push his hand under the bottom of the facemask and hold it up with the defender's neck pressed back while he runs ten yards.

Emmitt did this lots of times...running down the field while essentially holding a defender's facemask.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stupid thing to allow the RB when the defenders get penalized for letting their hand touch it.

Stiff arms are often applied to the top and side of the helmit and to the shoulder or chest.

I have no problem with a rule that would tell a RB he can't shove his hand in a defender's facemask and just run down the field while holding the tackler's head back.

You can call it a sissy suggestion if you want, but I think this inequity of rules is far worse than the overprotection of QB's or the raping of DB's in order to produce more scoring by the offense.
that was the point fisher was making:star:
 

cwalk

Member
Messages
285
Reaction score
0
If this rule passes we might need to get d-mac...this could effect Barber like the Roy Williams rule effected him....thoughts?
 

BlueStar II

New Member
Messages
1,815
Reaction score
1
trickblue;2020006 said:
Walter Payton made a career of the stiffarm to the face...

This is silly if true...

:starspin That's exactly what I was thinking as well. Peyton did it countless times, yet never a word about it.........hmmmmmm.
 

DR.WARE

Member
Messages
604
Reaction score
1
are you kiddding me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they arent girls playing out there
this better not be true
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,017
Reaction score
8,770
Pushing someone's head straight back is less harmfull then pushing it to the side, the neck is more flexible in a front to back motion then it is from a side to side motion. It is a stupid rule since the first thing that comes into conteact with a Rb is either Hand/Arm or Head/Shoulder. While I agree a back shouldn't grasp the fask mask and twist it will be hard to enforce. Keep it the way it is, these guys are pros and are taught from a young age never to tackle high or you A) get juked out of your shorts, B) Get trucked like the Baltimore Colts did one infamous night, or C) Get Stiff armed to hell.
 

joseephuss

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,041
Reaction score
6,920
jdub2k4;2020050 said:
Hey guys, I got a copy of all the other rule changes that are being discussed.

No counter/cutting back on running lanes (The Reggie Bush Rule):
Premises – gives offense unfair advantage by tricking defenders into thinking the player is going one way when he really is going somewhere else. This causes the defense to expend unnecessary energy in pursuant of tackling the ball carrier. Also, less agile defenders may break ankles trying to quickly change direction.

No more play-action passing/flea flickers (The Eli Manning Rule):
Premises – gives offense unfair advantage by tricking the defense into thinking the play is a run when it is actually a pass. This causes defenses to expend unnecessary energy in pursuant of the running back when said energy could be used to sack the QB or drop into coverage. Defenders who are fooled by this makes the NFL look bad (see SS Roy Williams).

No more pump fakes (The Peyton Manning Rule):
Premises – gives the offense an unfair advantage when the QB fakes like he is going to throw the ball, but by trickery, the ball remains in hand. This causes the defense to transfer his movement into the area in which the ball is supposedly going, when the ball is actually being thrown elsewhere. This is also known as “biting.” (See Carlos Rogers).

No more stripping the ball

Premises – gives defense unfair advantage by yanking the ball out of the ball carriers hand without his verbal or written consent. Said ball player is not allowed to successfully complete his run attempt and the ball is often taken away by the defense. This is known as stealing and is punishable by law.

No more intercepting the ball
Premises - gives defense unfair advantage by catching the ball away from a receiver in which the QB was distributing the ball to. In this situation, the giver, also known as the QB, is delivering the ball specifically to the receiver. Any impedance on the ball is known as stealing and is punishable by law.

No more no huddle offense
Premises – gives offense unfair advantage by executing another play, in rapid fashion, without huddling. This does not allow the defense to properly catch their breath and be physically ready for the next play. The lack of a huddle also prevents play call stealing by coaches, which is also not allowed.

No more rushing the QB
Premises – this gives the defense an unfair advantage by making the QB nervous and forcing him to get rid of the ball more quickly than he would like. This often results in sacks, incompletions, and interceptions, which are also not allowed. Before rushing in, defenders should ask the QB and receive verbal or written consent to know when the QB would like to have people crowding around him.

That is funny. A small suggestion. Don't use a player who hasn't accomplished anything yet like Reggie Bush to name a rule after.
 

big dog cowboy

THE BIG DOG
Staff member
Messages
101,852
Reaction score
112,773
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
cwalk;2019994 said:
Yet another proposed rule aimed at a Cowboys player (the Marion Barber rule)... No more stiffarms to the face...WOOOWWWWW!!!!!

very weak.
 

The Rawhide Kid

Gunslinger
Messages
756
Reaction score
10
:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: What happened to just playing football? What next, is everyone going to have to wear flags that the defender rips off instead of tackling. This is a contact sport.
 

preacherman

New Member
Messages
62
Reaction score
0
i know ill get jumped all over for this, but i think it should be just as illeagal fo the offensive player to put their hand to the face as it is for the defense, i saw several times this year where a running back put his hands to the face of a would be tackler and the tackler did likewise to tackle and of course he was flagged for facemask, so whats the difference with the offensive player doing the same thing, even the off and def lineman get flagged for hands to the face. so to me if you want to stiffarm then stiffarm around the chest or anywhere but the facemask. i guess everybody can dissagree with me now. thats just the way i see it unless somone gives me a different perpsective on it .
 

Dhragon

Deadly Claws of Death
Messages
1,957
Reaction score
1,308
I can see why they'd make a penalty out of punching someone in the facemask even if they don't "grab and hold" it.

Hopefully, for our sake though, this doesn't pass if true. Or if it does, it happens BEFORE the draft so we can make sure we get MBIIIs replacement ready. MBIII would become just like Roy Willy and would NOT be worth an extension next year.
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,017
Reaction score
8,770
preacherman;2020103 said:
i know ill get jumped all over for this, but i think it should be just as illeagal fo the offensive player to put their hand to the face as it is for the defense, i saw several times this year where a running back put his hands to the face of a would be tackler and the tackler did likewise to tackle and of course he was flagged for facemask, so whats the difference with the offensive player doing the same thing, even the off and def lineman get flagged for hands to the face. so to me if you want to stiffarm then stiffarm around the chest or anywhere but the facemask. i guess everybody can dissagree with me now. thats just the way i see it unless somone gives me a different perpsective on it .

If you are stiff arming someones chest you are in the midst of a tackle. The original thought behind the lineman hands to the face was because line man were doing some nasty stuff like gouging eyes, putting unnamed substances on their hands. If a tackler is going to lead with his helmet high he deserves the stiff arm to the head period, I would be more worried about the batting stiff arm some give with repeated blows to the head instead of one continuous stiff arm.
 

preacherman

New Member
Messages
62
Reaction score
0
jrumann59;2020118 said:
If you are stiff arming someones chest you are in the midst of a tackle. The original thought behind the lineman hands to the face was because line man were doing some nasty stuff like gouging eyes, putting unnamed substances on their hands. If a tackler is going to lead with his helmet high he deserves the stiff arm to the head period, I would be more worried about the batting stiff arm some give with repeated blows to the head instead of one continuous stiff arm.



well then your one of those that thinks it ok for the off player to grab or just push against the facemask while the def should be pentalized 15 yds, or 5 yds, i still dissagree. im not one that thinks there should be several changes to the rules, its been this way for a long time so why change it now. if i was going to change any rule i think id change the rule that a scrambling QB can throw the ball out of reach of everybody once he's outside the pocket, i think it takes away from the big effort that the def put forth and id say if the QB dont want to take a hit then he should run it out of bounds or do a QB slide.
 

proline

Active Member
Messages
1,377
Reaction score
1
Woods;2020028 said:
I wonder if he endorses players head stomping other players with their cleats? Just wondering . . . . :mad:

That's just a cheap shot .... Fisher condemned the action and fully supported the NFL's penalty.

From USA Today on 10/2/2006, "
By Tom Weir, USA TODAY
NASHVILLE — The NFL kicked back at Albert Haynesworth on Monday, suspending the Tennessee Titans defensive lineman five games for Sunday's head stomp on helmet-less Dallas Cowboys center Andre Gurode.
Titans coach Jeff Fisher was in agreement with the suspension, the longest by the NFL for on-field actions.
"This is an unprecedented suspension, and I also feel like his actions on the field were unprecedented," said Fisher, who added the suspension would begin immediately and would be without pay."
 

Woods

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,460
Reaction score
61
proline;2020155 said:
That's just a cheap shot .... Fisher condemned the action and fully supported the NFL's penalty.

From USA Today on 10/2/2006, "
By Tom Weir, USA TODAY
NASHVILLE — The NFL kicked back at Albert Haynesworth on Monday, suspending the Tennessee Titans defensive lineman five games for Sunday's head stomp on helmet-less Dallas Cowboys center Andre Gurode.
Titans coach Jeff Fisher was in agreement with the suspension, the longest by the NFL for on-field actions.
"This is an unprecedented suspension, and I also feel like his actions on the field were unprecedented," said Fisher, who added the suspension would begin immediately and would be without pay."

Yhea, I know. It was a bit of sarcasm on my part . . . .
 

mrla

A Passion for the Star
Messages
235
Reaction score
0
The Rawhide Kid;2020097 said:
:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: What happened to just playing football? What next, is everyone going to have to wear flags that the defender rips off instead of tackling. This is a contact sport.

Welcome to the NFFL....The National Flag Football league!!
 

The Rawhide Kid

Gunslinger
Messages
756
Reaction score
10
mrla;2020158 said:
Welcome to the NFFL....The National Flag Football league!!
Unfortunately, the QB doesn't have a flag. He's not allowed to be touched because he might get hurt. Watching old NFL Films reminds you how nasty the game used to be.
 
Top