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Dbair looks a little too "mannish" for my tastes so I'll swap with ya for Yomick.Rampage;2020605 said:
Yet another proposed rule aimed at a Cowboys player (the Marion Barber rule)...
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I didn't think you could punch the guy. But I'm not certain. You may not punch the ball.
Here's the context of the rules: let me know if there are any problems with this.
Use Of Hands, Arms and Body
Rules and exceptions
1. No player on offense may assist a runner except by blocking for him. There shall be no interlocking interference.
2. A runner may ward off opponents with his hands and arms but no other player on offense may use hands or arms to obstruct an opponent by grasping with hands, pushing, or encircling any part of his body during a block. Hands (open or closed) can be thrust forward to initially contact an opponent on or outside the opponent's frame, but the blocker must work to bring his hands on or inside the frame.
Note: Pass blocking: Hand(s) thrust forward that slip outside the body of the defender will be legal if blocker worked to bring them back inside. Hand(s) or arm(s) that encircle a defender -
i.e., hook an opponent-are to be considered illegal and officials are to call a foul for holding.
Blocker cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an opponent in a manner that restricts his movement as the play develops.
3. Hands cannot be thrust forward above the frame to contact an opponent on the neck, face or head.
Note: The frame is defined as the part of the opponent's body below the neck that is presented to the blocker.
4. A defensive player may not tackle or hold an opponent other than a runner. Otherwise, he may use his hands, arms, or body only:
(a) To defend or protect himself against an obstructing opponent.
Exception:
An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent ONLY to a point five yards beyond the line of scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap clearly demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball. Within this five-yard zone, a defensive player may make contact with an eligible receiver that may be maintained as long as it is continuous and unbroken up until a point when the receiver is beyond the defender. The defensive player cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an eligible receiver in a manner that restricts movement as the play develops. Beyond this five-yard limitation, a defender may use his hands or arms ONLY to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver. In such reaction, the defender may not contact a receiver who attempts to take a path to evade him.
(b) To push or pull opponent out of the way on line of scrimmage.
(c) In actual attempt to get at or tackle runner.
(d) To push or pull opponent out of the way in a legal attempt to recover a loose ball.
(e) During a legal block on an opponent who is not an eligible pass receiver.
(f) When legally blocking an eligible pass receiver above the waist.
Exception:
Eligible receivers lined up within two yards of the tackle, whether on or immediately behind the line, may be blocked below the waist at or behind the line of scrimmage. NO eligible receiver may be blocked below the waist after he goes beyond the line. (Illegal cut)
Note: Once the quarterback hands off or pitches the ball to a back, or if the quarterback leaves the pocket area, the restrictions (illegal chuck, illegal cut) on the defensive team relative to the offensive receivers will end, provided the ball is not in the air.
5. A defensive player may not contact an opponent above the shoulders with the palm of his hand except to ward him off on the line. This exception is permitted only if it is not a repeated act against the same opponent during any one contact. In all other cases the palms may be used on head, neck, or face only to ward off or push an opponent in legal attempt to get at the ball.
6. Any offensive player who pretends to possess the ball or to whom a teammate pretends to give the ball may be tackled provided he is crossing his scrimmage line between the ends of a normal tight offensive line.
7. An offensive player who lines up more than two yards outside his own tackle or a player who, at the snap, is in a backfield position and subsequently takes a position more than two yards outside a tackle may not clip an opponent anywhere nor may he contact an opponent below the waist if the blocker is moving toward the ball and if contact is made within an area five yards on either side of the line.
8. A player of either team may block at any time provided it is not pass interference, fair catch interference, or unnecessary roughness.
9. A player may not bat or punch:
(a) A loose ball (in field of play) toward his opponent's goal line or in any direction in either end zone.
(b) A ball in player possession.
Note: If there is any question as to whether a defender is stripping or batting a ball in player possession, the official(s) will rule the action as a legal act (stripping the ball).
Exception : A forward or backward pass may be batted, tipped, or deflected in any direction at any time by either the offense or the defense.
Note: A pass in flight that is controlled or caught may only be thrown backward; if it is thrown forward it is considered an illegal bat.
10. No player may deliberately kick any ball except as a punt, dropkick, or placekick.
Here's the context of the rules: let me know if there are any problems with this.
Use Of Hands, Arms and Body
Rules and exceptions
1. No player on offense may assist a runner except by blocking for him. There shall be no interlocking interference.
2. A runner may ward off opponents with his hands and arms but no other player on offense may use hands or arms to obstruct an opponent by grasping with hands, pushing, or encircling any part of his body during a block. Hands (open or closed) can be thrust forward to initially contact an opponent on or outside the opponent's frame, but the blocker must work to bring his hands on or inside the frame.
Note: Pass blocking: Hand(s) thrust forward that slip outside the body of the defender will be legal if blocker worked to bring them back inside. Hand(s) or arm(s) that encircle a defender -
i.e., hook an opponent-are to be considered illegal and officials are to call a foul for holding.
Blocker cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an opponent in a manner that restricts his movement as the play develops.
3. Hands cannot be thrust forward above the frame to contact an opponent on the neck, face or head.
Note: The frame is defined as the part of the opponent's body below the neck that is presented to the blocker.
4. A defensive player may not tackle or hold an opponent other than a runner. Otherwise, he may use his hands, arms, or body only:
(a) To defend or protect himself against an obstructing opponent.
Exception:
An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent ONLY to a point five yards beyond the line of scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap clearly demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball. Within this five-yard zone, a defensive player may make contact with an eligible receiver that may be maintained as long as it is continuous and unbroken up until a point when the receiver is beyond the defender. The defensive player cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an eligible receiver in a manner that restricts movement as the play develops. Beyond this five-yard limitation, a defender may use his hands or arms ONLY to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver. In such reaction, the defender may not contact a receiver who attempts to take a path to evade him.
(b) To push or pull opponent out of the way on line of scrimmage.
(c) In actual attempt to get at or tackle runner.
(d) To push or pull opponent out of the way in a legal attempt to recover a loose ball.
(e) During a legal block on an opponent who is not an eligible pass receiver.
(f) When legally blocking an eligible pass receiver above the waist.
Exception:
Eligible receivers lined up within two yards of the tackle, whether on or immediately behind the line, may be blocked below the waist at or behind the line of scrimmage. NO eligible receiver may be blocked below the waist after he goes beyond the line. (Illegal cut)
Note: Once the quarterback hands off or pitches the ball to a back, or if the quarterback leaves the pocket area, the restrictions (illegal chuck, illegal cut) on the defensive team relative to the offensive receivers will end, provided the ball is not in the air.
5. A defensive player may not contact an opponent above the shoulders with the palm of his hand except to ward him off on the line. This exception is permitted only if it is not a repeated act against the same opponent during any one contact. In all other cases the palms may be used on head, neck, or face only to ward off or push an opponent in legal attempt to get at the ball.
6. Any offensive player who pretends to possess the ball or to whom a teammate pretends to give the ball may be tackled provided he is crossing his scrimmage line between the ends of a normal tight offensive line.
7. An offensive player who lines up more than two yards outside his own tackle or a player who, at the snap, is in a backfield position and subsequently takes a position more than two yards outside a tackle may not clip an opponent anywhere nor may he contact an opponent below the waist if the blocker is moving toward the ball and if contact is made within an area five yards on either side of the line.
8. A player of either team may block at any time provided it is not pass interference, fair catch interference, or unnecessary roughness.
9. A player may not bat or punch:
(a) A loose ball (in field of play) toward his opponent's goal line or in any direction in either end zone.
(b) A ball in player possession.
Note: If there is any question as to whether a defender is stripping or batting a ball in player possession, the official(s) will rule the action as a legal act (stripping the ball).
Exception : A forward or backward pass may be batted, tipped, or deflected in any direction at any time by either the offense or the defense.
Note: A pass in flight that is controlled or caught may only be thrown backward; if it is thrown forward it is considered an illegal bat.
10. No player may deliberately kick any ball except as a punt, dropkick, or placekick.
DallasDomination
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make a mans sport into a sissy sport..Yup just what we need, No hands to the face, qb's wear skirts, Wr's cannot get touched, A Offensive line pancakes a D linemen and it's holding...
What's next?.....This is not even funny anymore. It's starting to get sad.
What's next?.....This is not even funny anymore. It's starting to get sad.
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Barber isn't the only one who would be screwed by such a rule, though I've not seen anything on it actually even being seriously considered, but I believe LT also likes to throw a hand into the face when he's running. He's pretty good at it as well.
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Seven;2020848 said:As did I................Great move in the workplace. They don't put near enough sun chips in the snack machine.
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Armed and dangerous: One of the little known rules being pushed by the Competition Committee is one that could be bad for aggressive running backs. If the Committee has its way, a running back or ballcarrier who gets too carried away with a stiff-arm could get a "hands-to-the-face" penalty. Stiff-arms aren't being outlawed. But if it turns into a blow to the face or a twisting of the face mask, the back will be penalized.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=clayton_john
Yep, I think this could qualify as the "Barber Rule"
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=clayton_john
Yep, I think this could qualify as the "Barber Rule"
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WoodysGirl;2021011 said:
I agree that would make it a Barber rule and yet another rule that will not be so black and white as it will be just another judgment call that I doubt will be called consistently from game to game or week to week
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ya know i'm starting to dislike this game more and more every year. they make up all these rules for cowboys cause Dallas is just too physical but the pats flat out cheat and lose a draft pick. but anyways i guess it's time to draft Dmac now.WoodysGirl;2021011 said:
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Well, I guess we could all see this one coming.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1723427&postcount=6
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1728417&postcount=8
I just hope the game (and specifically HIS game) doesn't suffer too much because of this. Maybe he can start pulling the Emmitt. Stiffarm the defender's arm, making it nearly impossible for them to tackle you.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1723427&postcount=6
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1728417&postcount=8
I just hope the game (and specifically HIS game) doesn't suffer too much because of this. Maybe he can start pulling the Emmitt. Stiffarm the defender's arm, making it nearly impossible for them to tackle you.
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Then they would call it holding on offense and we'd lose 10 yards.Undisputed;2021039 said:Well, I guess we could all see this one coming.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1723427&postcount=6
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1728417&postcount=8
I just hope the game (and specifically HIS game) doesn't suffer too much because of this. Maybe he can start pulling the Emmitt. Stiffarm the defender's arm, making it nearly impossible for them to tackle you.
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WoodysGirl;2021055 said:Then they would call it holding on offense and we'd lose 10 yards.
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Honestly i don't understand what the fuss is about. For years you guys complained about the league making it easier for the offense and now when they make rule against the offense, its now play sissy ball?
But lets look at this objectively instead of the "Barber Rule"
The defender is not allowed at anytime to place his hands in the facemask of an offensive player to gain an advantage in taking him down.
Why should RB's/Wr's get that advantage?
The offensive line is not allowed to use his hands to block assist in blocking the defensive players coming into the backfield
Why should RB's/Wr's be allowed to gain that same advantage
When it comes to WR/DB rules, generally they always have compliments to each other
Defensive PI, Offensive PI
Defensive Holding, Offensive Holding/(illegal pick)
Defensive Facemasking, now offensive facemasking
the bottom line- this rule is made in attempt to even out the playing field. For those that want to say in the "old days XX great player made a career out of it", you need to see, we aren't in the old days, From the horsecollar rule, down to the hitting a defenseless receiver rule, the game is not the same. Back then anything was allowed, we have rules now, and in order to keep the playing field as even as they can, they are attempting to balance out the rules.
On a side note. Honestly i like the fact we have all these rules named after us. Why? because it still means we're top dog, you wanna call it anti-cowboy bias, fine so be it. But do you see any anti-giant bias, or anti-Cardinal bias? No, why? Because they ain't America's team. Keep naming rules after us, we'll keep bringing in players to make new rules. Soon we'll have the NFL Handbook-Cowboy player edition.
And you know you'll buy it.
But lets look at this objectively instead of the "Barber Rule"
The defender is not allowed at anytime to place his hands in the facemask of an offensive player to gain an advantage in taking him down.
Why should RB's/Wr's get that advantage?
The offensive line is not allowed to use his hands to block assist in blocking the defensive players coming into the backfield
Why should RB's/Wr's be allowed to gain that same advantage
When it comes to WR/DB rules, generally they always have compliments to each other
Defensive PI, Offensive PI
Defensive Holding, Offensive Holding/(illegal pick)
Defensive Facemasking, now offensive facemasking
the bottom line- this rule is made in attempt to even out the playing field. For those that want to say in the "old days XX great player made a career out of it", you need to see, we aren't in the old days, From the horsecollar rule, down to the hitting a defenseless receiver rule, the game is not the same. Back then anything was allowed, we have rules now, and in order to keep the playing field as even as they can, they are attempting to balance out the rules.
On a side note. Honestly i like the fact we have all these rules named after us. Why? because it still means we're top dog, you wanna call it anti-cowboy bias, fine so be it. But do you see any anti-giant bias, or anti-Cardinal bias? No, why? Because they ain't America's team. Keep naming rules after us, we'll keep bringing in players to make new rules. Soon we'll have the NFL Handbook-Cowboy player edition.
And you know you'll buy it.
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I remember several of us talking about this last year and wondering how long it would take them to pass a "Barber rule". You could see it coming. Hopefully, this proposal won't be adopted.
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The Rawhide Kid;2020598 said:
Can't you tell? That's definitely Rampage,Yomick, Rawhide, and Dbair.
Yeah... I am secure with my feminine side :laugh2:
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dargonking999;2021092 said:
I'm sorry if a Rb cannot stiff arm to the face then F Football..It's changed for the worse over the years. If it wasnt for my love for the Cowboys I would of stoped watching Football just like I did BAsketball and their Free throw line contests.
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I'm sorta meh to this. I don't think the rule needs to be in there but, at the same time, I do understand where others are coming from. Defenders get flagged, every week, simply because their hand grazes the face mask so I can understand the side that is asking why it should be different for an offensive player.