Yet Another QB Ranking - But This One Shocked Me Twice

[5Stars]

By the way who is that the one who keeps passing out all the likes?

I don't know, but you sure as hell aren't getting many. People are catching on to you....

 

[DanteEXT]

It was the 3rd worst defense in NFL history statistically. The defense Aaron Rodgers had in 2011 ranked in the top 10 worst defenses in NFL history statistically and he led that team to a 15-1 record but according to one FAN the trajectory of Rodgers passes would be too flat for the Cowboys WR's.

Don't worry everybody... KJJ is only worried about yards. Yards are his thing. Give up 100 ppg but as long as yards you rank near the top he's a happy camper.

Myself, I prefer scoring points, and keeping the other team from it.

The Packers ranked 19th on PPG against as a team that year and I think defensively in score/drive was at 35%. And to top it off led the league in takeaways if I am not mistaken.

Dallas in 2013 as team ranked 26th in PPG against and defensively score/drive was at 41%. Add in middle of the league in takeaways.

So, to recap the 2011 Packers gave up less points per game, defensively a lower percentage of scores per drive and took the ball away more than the 2013 Cowboys. Yeah, the Pack were SOOO much worse than the Cowboys.

 

[KJJ]

If Aikman were behind that line, they would have gone 2-14.

That would rank as one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on this board and that's saying a lot. I've never seen anyone sell Aikman as short as you just did with that comment. I've been following the Cowboys since the 72 season and 2 of the worst OL's I can remember were the ones Aikman played behind in 89 and 90. He took a tremendous beating those 2 seasons which cost him 5 games with a finger injury in 89 then immediately upon his return he suffered one of the worst concussions of his career vs AZ. In the 11 games Aikman played in 89 he was sacked only 19 times because he was a mobile QB when he came into the league. He still took a real beating from all the running he had to do but he avoided what could have been 40 + sacks by using his legs. He was 3rd on the team in rushing in 89 with 302 yards. That 89 team was one of the worst teams in NFL history ranking in the top 10 worst in several rankings. Romo wouldn't have survived those 2 seasons because he holds onto the ball trying to extend plays with his Houdini moves which has resulted in him taking a number of sacks.

I pointed out the 29 sacks he took last season behind arguably the best OL in football. In 2013 with two #1 picks on the OL he took 35 sacks in 15 games. That wasn't all on the OL a lot of it was on Romo trying to extend plays. The fewest sacks Romo took was during his first 3 seasons when he was never sacked more than 24 times. One of the main reasons he started taking more sacks was trying to reduce his int's. He would take the sack rather than risk a throw down the field. During Romo's first 3 seasons from 06 to 08 he was sacked only 65 times but he threw 46 int's trying to avoid sacks. During his next 3 seasons from 09 to 2011 he was sacked 77 times while missing 10 games in 2010 but only tossed 26 int's. Romo has taken 100 sacks the past 3 seasons despite all the solid additions the Cowboys have made to their OL. Many of those sacks have been on Romo trying to extend plays.

Although Aikman was a traditional drop back pocket passer he was a quick decision maker who would get rid of the ball. Drew Bledsoe was nailed to the turf and was sacked 49 times in 05 with the Cowboys but they still went 9-7. Bledsoe was sacked an alarming 16 times in 5 1/2 games in 06 and the Cowboys were 3-2 so how you can come up with a 2-14 record with Aikman QBing the teams Romo has had is absurd. The most sacks Aikman ever took in a season was 39 sacks in 1990 and he led what was still a real bad team to a 7-9 record. In 2009 Romo took 34 sacks but he only threw 9 int's which led to an 11-5 season and a playoff win. As I pointed out a number of Romo's sacks have been on him trying to extend plays and avoid turnovers. The lack of insight you've displayed is typical of what I run into here on a daily basis and to claim Romo has had some 2-14 rosters that Troy Aikman would have gone 2-14 with is hilarious!

 

[SportsGuru80]

Wow they actually got it right...

 

[DFWJC]

Don't worry everybody... KJJ is only worried about yards. Yards are his thing. Give up 100 ppg but as long as yards you rank near the top he's a happy camper.

Myself, I prefer scoring points, and keeping the other team from it.

The Packers ranked 19th on PPG against as a team that year and I think defensively in score/drive was at 35%. And to top it off led the league in takeaways if I am not mistaken.

Dallas in 2013 as team ranked 26th in PPG against and defensively score/drive was at 41%. Add in middle of the league in takeaways.

So, to recap the 2011 Packers gave up less points per game, defensively a lower percentage of scores per drive and took the ball away more than the 2013 Cowboys. Yeah, the Pack were SOOO much worse than the Cowboys.

Yeah
Someone would have to be spending hours a day dreaming up an agenda to say Dallas had a better defense than Green Bay last year.
Oh, wait....

 

[erod]

That would rank as one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on this board and that's saying a lot. I've never seen anyone sell Aikman as short as you just did with that comment. I've been following the Cowboys since the 72 season and 2 of the worst OL's I can remember were the ones Aikman played behind in 89 and 90. He took a tremendous beating those 2 seasons which cost him 5 games with a finger injury in 89 then immediately upon his return he suffered one of the worst concussions of his career vs AZ. In the 11 games Aikman played in 89 he was sacked only 19 times because he was a mobile QB when he came into the league. He still took a real beating from all the running he had to do but he avoided what could have been 40 + sacks by using his legs. He was 3rd on the team in rushing in 89 with 302 yards. That 89 team was one of the worst teams in NFL history ranking in the top 10 worst in several rankings. Romo wouldn't have survived those 2 seasons because he holds onto the ball trying to extend plays with his Houdini moves which has resulted in him taking a number of sacks.

I pointed out the 29 sacks he took last season behind arguably the best OL in football. In 2013 with two #1 picks on the OL he took 35 sacks in 15 games. That wasn't all on the OL a lot of it was on Romo trying to extend plays. The fewest sacks Romo took was during his first 3 seasons when he was never sacked more than 24 times. One of the main reasons he started taking more sacks was trying to reduce his int's. He would take the sack rather than risk a throw down the field. During Romo's first 3 seasons from 06 to 08 he was sacked only 65 times but he threw 46 int's trying to avoid sacks. During his next 3 seasons from 09 to 2011 he was sacked 77 times while missing 10 games in 2010 but only tossed 26 int's. Romo has taken 100 sacks the past 3 seasons despite all the solid additions the Cowboys have made to their OL. Many of those sacks have been on Romo trying to extend plays.

Although Aikman was a traditional drop back pocket passer he was a quick decision maker who would get rid of the ball. Drew Bledsoe was nailed to the turf and was sacked 49 times in 05 with the Cowboys but they still went 9-7. Bledsoe was sacked an alarming 16 times in 5 1/2 games in 06 and the Cowboys were 3-2 so how you can come up with a 2-14 record with Aikman QBing the teams Romo has had is absurd. The most sacks Aikman ever took in a season was 39 sacks in 1990 and he led what was still a real bad team to a 7-9 record. In 2009 Romo took 34 sacks but he only threw 9 int's which led to an 11-5 season and a playoff win. As I pointed out a number of Romo's sacks have been on him trying to extend plays and avoid turnovers. The lack of insight you've displayed is typical of what I run into here on a daily basis and to claim Romo has had some 2-14 rosters that Troy Aikman would sacked as much gone 2-14 with is hilarious!

Romo wasn't sacked as much because he could actually avoid pressure.

Troy Aikman has actually admitted this by the way.

Football is like a Quantum Physics to you.

 

[KJJ]

All quarterbacks make mistakes, but Brady and Manning have theirs covered up by their defense.

Of course they all make mistakes QB is the most difficult and demanding position on the field but Brady and Manning have covered up for a number of their mistakes by being highly productive and throwing TD's. The Pats were ranked 13th in defense last season only 5 spots higher than the Cowboys. In 2011 NE reached the SB with the 31st ranked defense due to Brady and his #2 ranked offense. The Cowboys defense ranked higher than both SB teams defenses in 2011.

The Cowboys should have been 12-4 in 2011 had it not been for blowing 4th quarter leads to the Jets, Detroit, NE and AZ. As for Peyton Manning his 19th ranked defense in 2013 didn't help cover up for much. It was Manning and Denver's high powered offense that got them to the SB that year. Seattle's offense put up over 40 points on Denver's defense prompting the Bronco's to go after several big name free agents including Demarcus Ware.

 

[KJJ]

Romo wasn't sacked as much because he could actually avoid pressure.

Troy Aikman has actually admitted this by the way.

Football is like a Quantum Physics to you.

In 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2013 the fewest sacks Romo took was 34 because he hangs onto the ball trying to extend plays. This is a big reason Roethlisberger has taken so many sacks in his career along with Aaron Rodgers but you're attempting to put it all on the Cowboys OL. From 92 to 2000 the most sacks Aikman took was 33 and he had a bad back during most of those years. The Cowboys were a declining team Aikman's last few seasons and he was without Novacek and Irvin for some of those seasons but still got rid of the ball quickly. It was not being able to find a receiver in 2000 vs Washington that forced him to hang onto the ball which ended up being the last play of his career. From 92 to 96 he never took more than 26 sacks due to a great OL and not hanging onto the football. Aikman was a classic drop back passer who got rid of the ball quickly. The worst punishment he took was after the throw because he would hang in until the last second before delivering a strike and with the rules the way they were back then QB's took some vicious hits after the throw.

The massive hit he took vs AZ in 89 that literally knocked him out cold was after delivering a 75 yard TD strike to James Dixon who became Aikman's big play receiver after Irvin was lost. There's no question Romo can avoid pressure better than Aikman so naturally he would admit that but Romo gets sacked far more often than Aikman due to hanging onto the football trying to extend plays. You're putting most of the blame for the number of sacks Romo has taken on his OL's and NONE were near as bad as the OL's Aikman was stuck behind his first 2 seasons. Both Aikman and Walsh only took a combined 30 sacks in 89 due to both getting rid of the ball quickly. Go ahead and spin that OL was better than some Romo had. LOL Romo would have been killed trying to slip, slide and Houdini spin his way around trying to extend plays in 89 with no RB after the Walker trade and no WR's after Irvin and Kelvin Martin were lost for the season with injuries.

 

[5Stars]

In 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2013 the fewest sacks Romo took was 34 because he hangs onto the ball trying to extend plays. This is a big reason Roethlisberger has taken so many sacks in his career along with Aaron Rodgers but you're attempting to put it all on the Cowboys OL. From 92 to 2000 the most sacks Aikman took was 33 and he had a bad back during most of those years. The Cowboys were a declining team Aikman's last few seasons and he was without Novacek and Irvin for some of those seasons but still got rid of the ball quickly. It was not being able to find a receiver in 2000 vs Washington that forced him to hang onto the ball which ended up being the last play of his career. From 92 to 96 he never took more than 26 sacks due to a great OL and not hanging onto the football. Aikman was a classic drop back passer who got rid of the ball quickly. The worst punishment he took was after the throw because he would hang in until the last second before delivering a strike and with the rules the way they were back then QB's took some vicious hits after the throw.

The massive hit he took vs AZ in 89 that literally knocked him out cold was after delivering a 75 yard TD strike to James Dixon who became Aikman's big play receiver after Irvin was lost. There's no question Romo can avoid pressure better than Aikman so naturally he would admit that but Romo gets sacked far more often than Aikman due to hanging onto the football trying to extend plays. You're putting most of the blame for the number of sacks Romo has taken on his OL's and NONE were near as bad as the OL's Aikman was stuck behind his first 2 seasons. Both Aikman and Walsh only took a combined 30 sacks in 89 due to both getting rid of the ball quickly. Go ahead and spin that OL was better than some Romo had. LOL Romo would have been killed trying to slip, slide and Houdini spin his way around trying to extend plays in 89 with no RB after the Walker trade and no WR's after Irvin and Kelvin Martin were lost for the season with injuries.

blah, blah, blah....your hatred of Romo is really getting old! You have serious issues because you are starting to make ufcrules look like a Romo lover! Therapy dude...get some!

 

[KJJ]

Romo wasn't sacked as much because he could actually avoid pressure.

You're making no sense Romo has taken more sacks than Aikman ever did over his career despite his mobility because he hangs onto the football trying to extend plays. Most QB's who try and extend plays take a lot of sacks. I pointed out all the sacks Roethlisberger and Rodgers take despite their mobility attempting to extend plays. Michael Vick is one of the most mobile QB's to ever play the game and has taken a ton of sacks despite his great mobility. In 2004 during Vicks prime he took 46 sacks and 45 sacks in 2006. Breaking your comments down has become way too easy but that's typical when debating armchair FANS.

 

[5Stars]

You're making no sense Romo takes more sacks than Aikman ever did despite his mobility because he hangs onto the football trying to extend plays. Most QB's who try and extend plays take a lot of sacks. I pointed out all the sacks Roethlisberger and Rodgers take despite their mobility attempting to extend plays. Michael Vick is one of the most mobile QB's to ever play the game and has taken a ton of sacks despite his great mobility. In 2004 during Vicks prime he took 46 sacks and 45 sacks in 2006. Breaking your comments down has become way too easy but that's typical when debating armchair FANS.

How long is this going to keep on? Anyone....?

 

[landroverking]

How long is this going to keep on? Anyone....?

Until Romo leads the Cowboys to a SB win.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Until Romo leads the Cowboys to a SB win.

Honestly, I'm not sure that would do it.

 

[5Stars]

Honestly, I'm not sure that would do it.

It would make the trolls unhappy....

 

[burmafrd]

KJJ is like the habitual gambler desperate to win. Keeps doubling down and getting owned again and again.

 

[KJJ]

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Honestly, I'm not sure that would do it.

A SB win would gain Romo a lot of respect because the lack of playoff success and a ring is where he receives the most criticism. A ring to go along with all the consistent numbers he's put up would put him in serious HOF consideration. You can't point to many QB's who've never had a bad season but Romo is one of them that you can. He's never had a passer rating lower than 90.5 or a completion percentage lower than 61.3%.

Every discussion I've seen about Romo they all point to how consistent he's been but there's always that "but" when it comes to his playoff record and the lack of a championship. A SB win removes that "but" from the equation which would put him on another level. The haters will always hate regardless if he wins a championship but those who know football and are honest will give him his just dues.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He hasn't helped cost his team a lot of games. In 2012 he played an outstanding game vs SF in the playoffs passing for almost 400 yards and 3 TD's but his defense melted down blowing a big lead.

He can't win when it counts

 

[KJJ]

He can't win when it counts

At this point he hasn't and the pressure is mounting he's entering his 8th season. Falcons fans will eventually get frustrated with him but he is a very good productive QB who gives that team a chance.

 

[Manster68]

In 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2013 the fewest sacks Romo took was 34 because he hangs onto the ball trying to extend plays. This is a big reason Roethlisberger has taken so many sacks in his career along with Aaron Rodgers but you're attempting to put it all on the Cowboys OL. From 92 to 2000 the most sacks Aikman took was 33 and he had a bad back during most of those years. The Cowboys were a declining team Aikman's last few seasons and he was without Novacek and Irvin for some of those seasons but still got rid of the ball quickly. It was not being able to find a receiver in 2000 vs Washington that forced him to hang onto the ball which ended up being the last play of his career. From 92 to 96 he never took more than 26 sacks due to a great OL and not hanging onto the football. Aikman was a classic drop back passer who got rid of the ball quickly. The worst punishment he took was after the throw because he would hang in until the last second before delivering a strike and with the rules the way they were back then QB's took some vicious hits after the throw.

The massive hit he took vs AZ in 89 that literally knocked him out cold was after delivering a 75 yard TD strike to James Dixon who became Aikman's big play receiver after Irvin was lost. There's no question Romo can avoid pressure better than Aikman so naturally he would admit that but Romo gets sacked far more often than Aikman due to hanging onto the football trying to extend plays. You're putting most of the blame for the number of sacks Romo has taken on his OL's and NONE were near as bad as the OL's Aikman was stuck behind his first 2 seasons. Both Aikman and Walsh only took a combined 30 sacks in 89 due to both getting rid of the ball quickly. Go ahead and spin that OL was better than some Romo had. LOL Romo would have been killed trying to slip, slide and Houdini spin his way around trying to extend plays in 89 with no RB after the Walker trade and no WR's after Irvin and Kelvin Martin were lost for the season with injuries.

I truly believe that was the single greatest play in Troy Aikman's career. Of course, I am forgetting that All Pro linebacker for the cardinals that came in on a delayed blitz. When Aikman released that ball, the linebacker's helmet was in Aikman's chin. Troy still managed to throw a 40-yard bullet strike to Dixon on a crossing route and Dallas would take the lead. The defense did give up another late TD for the Cards to win.

I'll remember that linebacker's name after I post.

 

[KJJ]

The single greatest play of Troy Aikman's career was the slant to Harper vs SF in the 92 NFC title game due to the situation and what was on the line. That was arguably the second greatest play in the history of the franchise second only to the Hail Mary. The play to Dixon was a great play but that came in a losing effort during a 1-15 season only Cowboy fans would remember that play. Most of the "greatest" plays in NFL history came in postseason because the importance of the games and the situation made the plays great such as the Immaculate Reception, the Hail Mary and the Tyree catch.

The great plays and the worst plays all go into a time capsule and are never forgotten due to the magnitude of the game and the situation. Jackie Smith's drop in the SB and Romo's bobbled snap in the playoffs will never be forgotten due to the importance of the game and situation they occurred in. Had those plays happened during an ordinary regular season game they would have been forgotten.