You Build the defense

[Sydla]

ok if i take you serious
who will replace him?
a 4-3 dc that can build with this roster or a complete system change that needs 3 or more years to transform?

why change Marinelli when it looks like theres 3 pieces away
you still have the holes in your defense if you change
Dick Lebeau would not make this roster a top defense without adding help

if you want change fine
but who and how with this cap and these players

Ideally you go out and find a 4-3 DC. The pieces are there to play a variety of 4-3 styles. A few tweaks and you should be fine. I mean we are going to have to add a few pieces anyway this offseason. You are now putting together a secondary that can play in both man and zone.

I am getting tired of this notion that Marinelli is just a few pieces away from having a studly defense.

 

[DiResta]

Fitzpatrick from Alabama would be nice....

yes x1000

every great defense has a safety that communicates reads the offense well and makes game changing plays
Byron isnt doing that
Fitz could be our Earl
how great would that be
make the qb hold the ball a bit longer make tfl to kill drives just make a play

 

[DiResta]

Foster would have been perfect in last year's draft

this could have been a thing

 

[Sydla]

Fitzpatrick or Derwin James from FSU would be great.

James is more a SS type that could play alongside Woods.

 

[CATCH17]

yes x1000

every great defense has a safety that communicates reads the offense well and makes game changing plays
Byron isnt doing that
Fitz could be our Earl
how great would that be
make the qb hold the ball a bit longer make tfl to kill drives just make a play

I want to see more WR pressing with a hard blitz coming at the QB.

Cover 1 blitzes.

 

[DiResta]

If Lawrence is gone then i'm going DE & DT.

they will tag him
you wanted a wardaddy well now you got him
no way in hell you let him walk if he is great in 2018 as well
he is top priority if he proves

 

[DiResta]

Bye the way how did Richard ash play anybody.

he is hilariously slow but he was hustling lol
but his job is to be a fat guy to occupy blocks so
to your question
they ran at will so i dont know who it was on
the middle might have been ok

 

[DiResta]

I want to see more WR pressing with a hard blitz coming at the QB.

Cover 1 blitzes.

i think they like to do this only on certain qb
they corner and safety blitz Rodgers more for example it seemed

 

[kumizi]

With the emergence of Lawrence and the pass rush, a playmaking safety is the biggest need, whether in the draft or free agency.

Other needs are obviously a LB, a big fat run stuffing tackle, and continued talent acquisition at CB.

 

[DiResta]

Get Tapper healthy.

this is the holy grail answer
thank you for solving the defense struggles!

 

[Sydla]

So I've built my two deep for the 2018 defense with a new DC. Didn't go overboard in FA and again used prime picks for the defense:

SDE - Lawrence, Irving
RDE - Ferrell/Chubb/Landry, Tapper
3 Tech - Collins, Crawford
1 Tech - Poe, draft pick/Pryce

Add a legit pass rushing end, and a real 1 Tech and you have a legit front four. Invest a mid-round pick on a project at the 1 tech.

WILL - Smith, Wilson
MIKE - Lee, Hitchens
SAM - Wilson, Wilber/draft pick

I am making an assumption Smith's leg continues to improve. If not, then you might have to hit FA or invest a high pick in a LB or two.

CB - Lewis, Brown
CB - Awuzie, Scandrick
Slot - Scandrick, Jones
FS - Woods, Jones
SS - Vaccarro, draft pick/Heath

With so much youth, they need a legit vet in the secondary to help. Vaccarro isn't great but he's decent and he's likely going to be fairly cheap. Now, depending on the new hire at DC, they might want interchangeable safeties so I wouldn't be opposed to trying Awuzie at S alongside Woods. Jones is a better CB.

 

[Tristan]

- Give me Poe or Logan in FA at the 1 tech.

- Give me Chubb or one of the speed rushers in the first round to pair with Lawrence

- If (and this is a big if), Smith gets his nerve back fully over the next 6-8 months, he's my starting WILL and Lee goes back to MLB. I know MIKE has been rough on Lee in the past but our best alignment at LB might be with Lee in the middle and Smith at the WILL.

- Get me a coordinator who is aggressive and will attack the LOS with his front seven. A guy like Smith will be better served playing in a system like Philly's than ours IMO.

I'd drool over a front seven of say this.......

SDE - Lawrence
RDE - Chubb (or Key, or Landry or Ferrell).
1 Tech - Poe
3 Tech - Collins
MIKE - Lee
WILL - Smith
SAM - Wilson or a draft pick who can slowly work his way in eventually replace Lee.

Also a guy like Vaccarro would interest me in FA to replace Heath.

Yeah..David Irving is a beast and becoming a feared dominating young Terror and youd rather have that lazy bum poe? Really? Irving is in my starting lineup, period!

 

[DiResta]

I get rid of Marinelli and look for a coach that uses 4 linemen and has similar philosophies in how the D-Line is used except if they use a wide 9 technique. I wouldn't be against more of a gap clogging 1-tech, but it's not a big priority either.

I want different schematics in terms of how we use the DB's and LB's, particularly in the pass game. I still want us to mix up zone and man coverages.

We need to be much stronger up the middle because passes between the numbers are too easy to complete. I think we really need to look at a veteran MIKE or WILL for next season who can step in and start right away if needed. I would still look for Hitchens (who I would be re-signing) and Jaylon to start at the MIKE, but with Lee's injury past I wouldn't want another situation where we are forced to start Jaylon if he's not ready.

I would be willing to pay a guy like Micah Hyde what Micah Hyde got if he could play SS (5 years, 32.5 million/14 mill guaranteed). However, as great as Byron is at FS, I would consider moving him back to CB if it means replacing Scandrick and if we feel confident in Xavier Woods at FS and we have a SS that can play deep zone if needed and make plays and tackles in the box. But we better feel super confident in our safeties, otherwise I would stick to Brown/Lewis/Awuzie as the corners for next season.

We need to get better at 3-tech and at RDE. I wouldn't begrudge us drafting a RDE in the first round again if we had the guy we wanted. This would allow us to have Lawrence, Taco and the rookie to alternate the DE spots.





YR

Marinelli is long considered a great defense line coach
i think its deserved honestly he takes guys like Mincy as your starting de and gets results
thats not easy right?
i like defensive coordinator super aggressive like Jim Johnson
but still Marinelli is great at line coaching
they do mix zone and man coverage on the back end or do i not understand what you mean
i completely agree a safety is a priority
for years they had guys like Sensabaugh who are good athletes and players but not elite safety
the defense HAS to have a hawk sitting back there knowing the play
at least Woods was actually on the receiver making the hit instead of 10 yards away
Byron has talent and hes big fast, maybe hes best covering the TE and playing outside on big guys like Alshon
Lewis to the slot as Scandrick is near the end
We dont know what Chido has at the pro level
dont know if he is a corner or safety
if they pay Lawrence and Irving
you have to play them opposite ends or Irving at 3 tech
huge cap hit for both

 

[Sydla]

Yeah..David Irving is a beast and becoming a feared dominating young Terror and youd rather have that lazy bum poe? Really? Irving is in my starting lineup, period!

Irving isn't a 1 tech and he's not an every down DT. You need a big plug in the middle and that's not Irving. So give me a guy like Poe, or even Bennie Logan, to be that plugger in the middle.

 

[Sydla]

Marinelli is long considered a great defense line coach
i think its deserved honestly he takes guys like Mincy as your starting de and gets results
thats not easy right?
i like defensive coordinator super aggressive like Jim Johnson
but still Marinelli is great at line coaching
they do mix zone and man coverage on the back end or do i not understand what you mean
i completely agree a safety is a priority
for years they had guys like Sensabaugh who are good athletes and players but not elite safety
the defense HAS to have a hawk sitting back there knowing the play
at least Woods was actually on the receiver making the hit instead of 10 yards away
Byron has talent and hes big fast, maybe hes best covering the TE and playing outside on big guys like Alshon
Lewis to the slot as Scandrick is near the end
We dont know what Chido has at the pro level
dont know if he is a corner or safety
if they pay Lawrence and Irving
you have to play them opposite ends or Irving at 3 tech
huge cap hit for both

Then make him the DL coach. Because he's not cutting it as the DC.

 

[Tristan]

Irving isn't a 1 tech and he's not an every down DT. You need a big plug in the middle and that's not Irving. So give me a guy like Poe, or even Bennie Logan, to be that plugger in the middle.

Irving might not be this or that but he also might be our best defnsive lineman. Again I think poe is a lazy bum so no thanks id rather draft a leon lett type, huge and fast

 

[TheCoolFan]

Some coaches just aren't cut out to be a HC or coordinator but they make great position coaches (ex: Bill Callahan). I believe Marinelli falls into that category. Game-planning and playing the chess match during the game itself may be too much for those guys but when they're able to focus their coaching abilities to just a few positions, they are great at it.

 

[Sydla]

Irving might not be this or that but he also might be our best defnsive lineman. Again I think poe is a lazy bum so no thanks id rather draft a leon lett type, huge and fast

Irving is not our best DL. That's Lawrence.

And you can get Irving on the field a lot because he can play DE and the 3 tech so you can move him around a lot. But he's not a starting 1 tech in this league.

Poe has been playing well in Atlanta. Much better than what we have gotten out of our 1 techs.

 

[DiResta]

- Give me Poe or Logan in FA at the 1 tech.

- Give me Chubb or one of the speed rushers in the first round to pair with Lawrence

- If (and this is a big if), Smith gets his nerve back fully over the next 6-8 months, he's my starting WILL and Lee goes back to MLB. I know MIKE has been rough on Lee in the past but our best alignment at LB might be with Lee in the middle and Smith at the WILL.

- Get me a coordinator who is aggressive and will attack the LOS with his front seven. A guy like Smith will be better served playing in a system like Philly's than ours IMO.

I'd drool over a front seven of say this.......

SDE - Lawrence
RDE - Chubb (or Key, or Landry or Ferrell).
1 Tech - Poe
3 Tech - Collins
MIKE - Lee
WILL - Smith
SAM - Wilson or a draft pick who can slowly work his way in eventually replace Lee.

Also a guy like Vaccarro would interest me in FA to replace Heath.

i like your choices but im confused that you let Irving walk?
it would be much better cap to just draft a replacement than pay him
but we know he is breaking out and we could miss on a draft pick like with Taco and Gregory and really even Lawrence
you want next year to have a top 5 maybe top 10 defense Lawrence is great now but unavailable for 3 years due to injury and suspension stuff
you would like a guy like TJ Watt who impacts immediately
thats what Dallas has in Irving
1 tech is weak but i admit i dont know the best fill
i think to take it to the next level linebacker and safety have to be 100% solid no jag will do
Woods just might be good enough, hes only a rookie so maybe by game 16 he is balling starting fs
that would be a major major draft hit
im not sure i wouldnt trade for a stud lb
its that critical to get a guy who can run and cover

 

[Sydla]

i like your choices but im confused that you let Irving walk?
it would be much better cap to just draft a replacement than pay him
but we know he is breaking out and we could miss on a draft pick like with Taco and Gregory and really even Lawrence
you want next year to have a top 5 maybe top 10 defense Lawrence is great now but unavailable for 3 years due to injury and suspension stuff
you would like a guy like TJ Watt who impacts immediately
thats what Dallas has in Irving
1 tech is weak but i admit i dont know the best fill
i think to take it to the next level linebacker and safety have to be 100% solid no jag will do
Woods just might be good enough, hes only a rookie so maybe by game 16 he is balling starting fs
that would be a major major draft hit
im not sure i wouldnt trade for a stud lb
its that critical to get a guy who can run and cover

I didn't let Irving walk. He's a guy who can inside and outside so while he technically might not be a starter, he's going to play a lot as you move him outside and then back inside on obvious passing downs.

I was just listing a starting lineup where you had a pure SDE and then a pure speed rusher starting like Ferrell, from Clemson.