You Call the Play!

[lostinomiya]

I'm getting ready to walk into a meeting right now, will respond to all posters Later today.

Get ready for some serious dialogue on this one -- your plays better have some validity to it. Otherwise I may have to reverse the call!

just saw on cnn some statistic about the amount of time those with internet access spend messing about at work and...(hold on a moment sir, ill be right with you)...that 61% of people admitted to doing it...to which the presenter said "and this means the other 39% were lying"

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Cute. Missing a letter isn't nearly the same as mistaking an entire last name or the position a player plays though is it?

I agree with you there Alexander. But I think you're smart enough to see my point also. Otherwise, you're saying you're mistake is less of a mistake than my mistake. You've completely exhausted your point, to the point that begs the question ...what is the point?

Or, shall we examine this further?

Here's what we've learned from each other ...

- A while ago, you and I agreed to not bump heads -- here we are again ...we both do that rather well ...would you not agree?

- I'm overworked or don't know the difference between a DT and a DE; or my own team's defensive coordinator

- You're posts arent perfect; yet you're sarcastic with imperfections observed in my post.

Perhaps we need to walk away from this ...again!

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

just saw on cnn some statistic about the amount of time those with internet access spend messing about at work and...(hold on a moment sir, ill be right with you)...that 61% of people admitted to doing it...to which the presenter said "and this means the other 39% were lying"

Three quick things here ...

!) Where's your link

2) I'm not in a "customer-service" related job.

3) I'll get back with you soon ...

 

[NorTex]

Alright coach that's a fair request. Here's more details ...

In responses to the opponent team kicking their second field goal, your team has just returned the opponent team's kickoff -- a high spiral kick aided by a tail wind; the ball is caught on the 2 yard-line, and returned to your teams' 40 yard-line (normally that could be defined as good field position -- but the clock only show 1 - minute; and 57
seconds in official playing time). Your Center breaks out of the huddle with the rest of your offensive squad close behind -- they head straight for the line of scrimmage —

Bledsoe (wiping the sweat off of his forehead, takes a quick swig of Gator Aid as he goes into the huddle. Bill Parcells (wearing some stylish shoes from Thom McAnn, points his finger into Bledsoe's nose and tells him to go out there and put some points on the board) ....alright coach -- call the play.

Wow Phoenix, you totally missed the point...the details that a coach needs to make a decision to call plays late in the game have nothing to do with the garbage that you posted above...

I'm talking about what plays did or did not work earlier in the game. I'm talking about how well the TE's and WR's are playing. I'm talking about coverage schemes and tendencies that have been seen over the course of the game, etc...

Since you seem totally clueless about the process of making a coaching decision DURING a game, let's just look at what the Cowboys did last year against the E-Girls in a hostile environment, in a must win game for the girls:

1-10-DAL28(3:44) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass to K.Johnson to DAL 43 for 15 yards (J.Trotter).PHI-M.Lewis was injured during the play.

1-10-DAL43(3:22) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass to T.Glenn pushed ob at PHI 46 for 11 yards (L.Sheppard).

1-10-PHI46(3:17) M.Barber left guard pushed ob at PHI 20 for 26 yards (R.Hood).

1-10-PHI20(3:08) D.Bledsoe pass to T.Glenn for 20 yards, TOUCHDOWN. (L.Sheppard).

That took a whopping 36 seconds off the clock...any more questions?

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Wow Phoenix, you totally missed the point...the details that a coach needs to make a decision to call plays late in the game have nothing to do with the garbage that you posted above...

I didn't miss any points calbfan. The thread was intended for posters to interject missing elements that you so vitally needed to use your creativity in composing a scenario that obviously would allow your team to orchestrate a come-from-behind victory. Just a little reminder that we can still conduct football dialogue and have a little fun. Hence, my reply to your "request for supplemental specificity, was all in fun.

I'm not challenging your football saavy, nor your ability to coach ...in fact, I believe I referred to you as coach in one of my posts -- acknowledging the validity of your claim. So allow me to respond seriously since "you completely missed my points (e.g, the Gator Aid line...Bledsoe wiping the sweat off of his forehead, takes a quick swig of Gator Aid as he goes into the huddle ... Bill Parcells wearing some stylish shoes from Thom McAnn, points his finger into Bledsoe's nose and tells him to go out there and put some points on the board),"

1) I'm talking about what plays did or did not work earlier in the game.
In your vast knowledge of coaching, you should have been capable of posting that data; after all, this was only a thread to drum up some creativity, while having fun without flamming someone. Why collecting this type of issue so important to you.

2) I'm talking about how well the TE's and WR's are playing.
Other fans here managed to explain that a new 2-TE set is being considered this year by Dallas. And you should know better than me how well your TEs and WRs have the potential to play.

3) I'm talking about coverage schemes and tendencies that have been seen over the course of the game, etc...
The scenario indicated that these were the closing minutes of the game! Coverage schemes should have been on the table long before the game got to that point -- think about it coach!

4) you seem totally clueless about the process of making a coaching
Well I'll agree with you here, because I don't have the slightest clue to what kind of coach you are/were/want to become.

While I'm sure most coaching carries with it a "basic" fundamental, I hope you don't believe your little attempt at getting more specificity is at an NFL coaching level.

You missed out in coaching class when they were teaching "how to have fun 101."

So lighten up! And to make amends, ...Terry Glenn scored a TD, the game went into overtime and your team won the toss.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Originally Posted by Phoenix-Talon

This is a hypothetical scenario with a hypothetical cast of defensive squads.


Jevon Kearse (DE)
Darren Howard (DE)

Trent Cole (DT)
Ed Jasper (DT)

What's your play?

[Poster QUOTE]Well, for starters, I run right at Trent Cole at defensive tackle for one. That's like us saying DeMarcus Ware at DT, what are you going to call?

One quick house-keeping note ...

College: CincinnatiHeight: 6-2Weight: 257Hometown: Wilberforce, Ohio


Nicknamed "Scrap Iron" by his Cincinnati coaches for his chiseled physique that contains less than seven percent body fat. He earned league Defensive Lineman of the Year as a senior.

He was a Proposition 48 casualty in his first year at Cincinnati in 2001. In 2002, Cole started nine games, including eight contests as a 227-pound defensive tackle, registering 86 tackles (40 solos), five sacks, 12 stops for losses, 10 quarterback pressures and two fumble recoveries. That performance earned him Conference USA Defensive Newcomer of the Year honors. Trent moved to right Defensive end to take advantage to take advantage of his quickness in 2003.

Words of wisdom ...don't let you mouth cash a check that your behind can't cover ...

 

[Alexander]

One quick house-keeping note ...

College: CincinnatiHeight: 6-2Weight: 257Hometown: Wilberforce, Ohio


Nicknamed "Scrap Iron" by his Cincinnati coaches for his chiseled physique that contains less than seven percent body fat. He earned league Defensive Lineman of the Year as a senior.

He was a Proposition 48 casualty in his first year at Cincinnati in 2001. In 2002, Cole started nine games, including eight contests as a 227-pound defensive tackle, registering 86 tackles (40 solos), five sacks, 12 stops for losses, 10 quarterback pressures and two fumble recoveries. That performance earned him Conference USA Defensive Newcomer of the Year honors. He moved to right defensive end to take advantage of his quickness in 2003.

Give a person enough rope ...

Umm, that's at Cincinnati there, slugger.

I'll bet you big time he doesn't play a snap at defensive tackle for the Eagles this season unless something drastic happens on the injury front.

Or you insert him in when you play Madden.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Umm, that's at Cincinnati there, slugger.

I'll bet you big time he doesn't play a snap at defensive tackle for the Eagles this season unless something drastic happens on the injury front.

Or you insert him in when you play Madden.

Listen, this was nothing more than a "hypothetical" game, scenario and defensive team. It was you who made it appear as though Trent Cole as a DT was like saying ...as I quote you ..."DeMarcus Ware at DT..."

At least my "hypothetical" player was in ther same ballpark ...slugger!

 

[cwbyfan72]

I read this whole thread, and all I kept thinking of is a Saturday Night Live script with Dana Carvey playing the round table discussion. PT giving the topic for discussion....... and then as someone answers....WRONG!.......Cwbyfan72?......WRONG. Cajuncowboy?........WRONG! The real answer is no one can beat the Eagles in a two minute offense. NEXT ISSUE!!

 

[burmafrd]

Well of course no one can beat them- Phoenix says so.

 

[Alexander]

Listen, this was nothing more than a "hypothetical" game, scenario and defensive team. It was you who made it appear as though Trent Cole as a DT was like saying ...as I quote you ..."DeMarcus Ware at DT..."

At least my "hypothetical" player was in ther same ballpark ...slugger!

An undersized DE at DT is a fair comparison. Sorry if you couldn't get the logical analogy. I don't care that he played it in college. He has zero chance of doing it in the NFL unless disaster strikes.

And judging by your liberal use of "hypotheticals", I guess the Madden idea has crossed your mind.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Sorry if you couldn't get the logical analogy.

Oh, I caught your drift! It wasn't a very good comparison; besides, you tried to imply that I didn't know that Trent was a DE. But in fact, my hypothetical defense loaded up two DEs and add an extra DE labledas a DT dedicated to specific blitz packages. Hence, you are the one who didn't get the logic!

I don't care that he played it in college. ... I guess the Madden idea has crossed your mind

I don't care for playing Madden ...

 

[Alexander]

Oh, I caught your drift! It wasn't a very good comparison; besides, you tried to imply that I didn't kow that Trent was a DE. In fact, my hypothetical defense loaded up two DEs and and extra DE playing DT for a specific blitz package. Hence, you are the one who didn't get the logic!

Actually, I did. I was just amazed that even a defense that would get blown up on Madden with an undersized DE at DT would be something anyone with an iota of sense would support.

Your initial response indicated that you were indeed serious and you made no attempt to explain yourself:

Hahahaha! You do that. You must not have seen Cole play last year. BTW, Trent Cole has 2 years experience in the NFL! In all fairness, you may have been talking about Nick Cole!

That doesn't say a thing about a blitz package, and even suggests that I didn't know what I was talking about because hadn't seen Cole play last year, therefore implying that you believe he did play defensive tackle and I somehow missed it(and he has only 1 year experience, BTW).

I suspect you probably had to look it up overnight.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

PT giving the topic for discussion....... and then as someone answers....WRONG!.......Cwbyfan72?......WRONG. Cajuncowboy?........WRONG! The real answer is no one can beat the Eagles in a two minute offense.

Wrong! The Eagles can beat the Eagles in a Two-minute offense ...they've done it many times before.

NEXT ISSUE!!

I agree -- I thought I'd get some good play calling ...

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Actually, I did. I was just amazed that even a defense that would get blown up on Madden ...

That's why ...I don't care for playing Madden! Things happen/do not happen on Madden that can/cannot happen on the real grid iron.

Your initial response ...made no attempt to explain yourself ..."Hahahaha! You do that. You must not have seen Cole play last year." That doesn't say a thing about a blitz package, and even suggests that I didn't know what I was talking about because hadn't seen Cole play last year, therefore implying that you believe he did play defensive tackle and I somehow missed it...

You say "...That doesn't say a thing about a blitz package - therefore implying that you believe he did play defensive tackle ..."

That said,I didn't have to explain anything to you, because the whole essence of my laughter was generated on the premise that you would ...

quote=Alexander]Well, for starters, I run right at Trent Cole at defensive tackle for one.

Why should Cole have to blitz when you're sending JJ or whomever right at Cole? Hahahaha! You do that ...with two DEs rushing your QB, you'd hand off and allow a RB to come straight to the designated DT (Trent Cole); with Trotter to assist!

Now go play with Madden ...then give me your response.

 

[AsthmaField]

Why would you put Trent Cole at DT? He's way too small to play that position.

Are you suggesting that in a certain passing situation that you'd put him at DT in order to get another pass rusher in the game? That's the only way I can see any logic in it.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Why would you put Trent Cole at DT? He's way too small to play that position.
Are you suggesting that in a certain passing situation that you'd put him at DT in order to get another pass rusher in the game? That's the only way I can see any logic in it.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alexander]

Why would you put Trent Cole at DT? He's way too small to play that position.

That's why "Jim Jones" would never do it and why this whole hypothetical is ridiculous and best suited for a video game.

I think we should put Kalen Thornton at DT in some games to "get another pass rusher" in there. You know, it's so crazy and hypothetical, it MIGHT WORK!

 

[Dough Boy]

Why should Cole have to blitz when you're sending JJ or whomever right at Cole? Hahahaha! You do that ...with two DEs rushing your QB, you'd hand off and allow a RB to come straight to the designated DT (Trent Cole); with Trotter to assist!

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you are assuming that Trent and Trotter are not going to be unblocked at all. As you say, we have the ball in good field position. Two min on the clock is a great deal of time to run the ball.
Here is my first play. 2 TE 2 WR. I would motion the play side TE out to pull the LB on his side out wide to create extra space. The play I would run is a draw at Coles. When Coles, who is an undersized speed rushers, reads pass he is going to do what undersized speed rushers do, attack the outside shoulder of his blocker and beat him with speed. I would have the guard slip block Coles, and make his way to Trotter. I would also have the center, who should be uncovered, also work toward Trotter. Julius would run to the space Coles vacated. With my front side guard and center both working towards Trot, he only has a couple of choices. If the guard blocks Trotter, the center would go for the FS. If the center blocks Trotter, the guard would work toward the FS. In either event, Julius would cut off Trotter and run right at the FS. The guard of the center does not have to block the FS, just shield long enough to give Jones the lane he needs. With any luck, that play picks up 20 yards easily.

Ball on the other 40 with about 1.30 left. Drew spikes the ball and its 2nd down. What I do next is dependant upon the defense. If they keep the same formation, I run the same play for another 20 yards. Ball on the 20 with about a min or so left. From this point on, the advantage is all Dallas. So many options at this point it’s futile to discuss.

 

[AsthmaField]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, fine. However, the offense would almost certainly run at that lineup. Even in this hypothetical situation with roughly 2:00 left in the game and needing a TD to win, you could still put in a quick draw or two. That would indeed eat up some time, but if you had another play called and went immediately to the LOS and ran a quick pass, you could have a running play. The quick draw would almost certainly net 15-20 yards or so and possibly a lot more. The run defense would just be horrific with Cole at DT.

To be fair, I know that at one point Dallas was talking about moving Ellis to DT in sure passing situations, so this isn't unheard of. Still, I'd question the move and it wouldn't take offensive coordinators long to put in a couple of plays to make the defense rue the day they put a light DE at DT.

Maybe if Jim Johnson did it as a surprise every now and then. If he did it with any regularity, the offense would expose it big time.

JMO, of course.