You cant draft QBs narrative

[csirl]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

 

[Aviano90]

Not sure the “can’t draft QBs early” is an accurate narrative. I am pretty sure the narrative is drafting a QB early doesn’t guarantee success and many of them don’t turn out to be worthy of their draft position. You did a nice job if picking out some QBs who made the playoffs but then you have to toss in the Josh Rosens, Darnolds, etc. to see how many didn’t to get a better picture:

 

[gjkoeppen]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

I don't think anyone here has said that there aren't or haven't been any good QB's taken in the first round but there are some that pointed out that just because a QB was drafted in the 1st round that it alone doesn't guarantee that he is a good QB. There is a list that is quite long of QB's and other players taken in the 1st round that turned out to be busts, even as high as the 1st pick in the draft taking a QB that was a bust. Wentz was taken with the 2nd pick and now there are some in the sporting world that are saying that he may end up as another bust.
.
.

 

[G2]

Now list all the QBs drafted in the 1st rounds that have been trash.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Since 2000, roughly 65% of all QBs taken in the first round are/were either completely out of the NFL, are/were back up QBs or are/were considered below average. The sample size is large enough that the narrative is not dead. I posted the list a month or so ago.

 

[starfan1]

Perhaps the better narrative to focus on is these QBs drafted early in round 1 have a more complete team around them.

both sides of the ball are certainly prevalent in the 3 examples stated

give that to Dak and you’ll see similar results

 

[Majic]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

In the above examples I think teams would take only 1 or 2 of each of the 3 listed if redrafting again. Obviously the higher you pick the better chance of success so if you have a TOP 10 pick in a draft you have to consider taking one no matter who you have on your roster

 

[John813]

As a Miami fan as well Tua was terrible at times.

Think of 2017 Dak Prescott in the second half of the season.

Their defense was the reason why they were 10-6, as they had 12-13 good games that carried the offense to the W.

If Dak's agent still wants to play hardball, I would be hoping to see the team draft a QB.

 

[Qcard]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

You are suffering from recency bias....see list below. These were the last 30 QBs drafted in the 1st RD ranked by Pre Draft Scouts, Inc Rating as you can see Andrew Luck has had the best rating ever...

So before you go Gaga on this years lottery pick....I hope leadership is your most important metric because physical talent and Eye test is a red herring....

Now list all the QBs drafted in the 1st rounds that have been trash.

Since you asked! Not all have been trash but your sentiment is 1000% correct....there is some serious trash below

EJ Manuel 2013 16th
Tim Tebow 2010 25th
Daniel Jones 2019 6th
Patrick Mahomes 2017 10th
Paxton Lynch 2016 26th
Christian Ponder 2011 12th
Lamar Jackson 2018 32nd
Brandon Weeden 2012 22nd
Deshaun Watson 2017 12th
Mitchell Trubisky 2017 2nd
Teddy Bridgewater 2014 32nd
Justin Herbert 2020
Dwayne Haskins 2019 15th
Kyler Murray 2019 1st
Johnny Manziel 2014 22nd
Jake Locker 2011 8th
Jordan Love 2020
Baker Mayfield 2018 1st
Blake Bortles 2014 3rd
Carson Wentz 2016 2nd
Jared Goff 2016 1st
Josh Rosen 2018 10th
Josh Allen 2018 7th
Marcus Mariotta 2015 2nd
Cam Newton 2011 1st
Tua Tagovailoa 2020
Sam Darnold 2018 3rd
Ryan Tannehill 2012 8th
Joe Burrow 2020
Blaine Gabbert 2011 10th
Robert Griffin 2012 2nd
Jamies Winston 2015 1st
Sam Bradford 2010 1st
Andrew Luck 2012 1st

 

[G2]

You are suffering from recency bias....see list below. These were the last 30 QBs drafted in the 1st RD ranked by Pre Draft Scouts, Inc Rating as you can see Andrew Luck has had the best rating ever...

So before you go Gaga on this years lottery pick....I hope leadership is your most important metric because physical talent and Eye test is a red herring....

Since you asked! Not all have been trash but your sentiment is 1000% correct....there is some serious trash below

EJ Manuel 2013 16th
Tim Tebow 2010 25th
Daniel Jones 2019 6th
Patrick Mahomes 2017 10th
Paxton Lynch 2016 26th
Christian Ponder 2011 12th
Lamar Jackson 2018 32nd
Brandon Weeden 2012 22nd
Deshaun Watson 2017 12th
Mitchell Trubisky 2017 2nd
Teddy Bridgewater 2014 32nd
Justin Herbert 2020
Dwayne Haskins 2019 15th
Kyler Murray 2019 1st
Johnny Manziel 2014 22nd
Jake Locker 2011 8th
Jordan Love 2020
Baker Mayfield 2018 1st
Blake Bortles 2014 3rd
Carson Wentz 2016 2nd
Jared Goff 2016 1st
Josh Rosen 2018 10th
Josh Allen 2018 7th
Marcus Mariotta 2015 2nd
Cam Newton 2011 1st
Tua Tagovailoa 2020
Sam Darnold 2018 3rd
Ryan Tannehill 2012 8th
Joe Burrow 2020
Blaine Gabbert 2011 10th
Robert Griffin 2012 2nd
Jamies Winston 2015 1st
Sam Bradford 2010 1st
Andrew Luck 2012 1st

Good God, it's worse than I had thought, lol.

 

[HungryLion]

So you completely misinterpreted “the narrative”

 

[DallasEast]

Which is more accurate?

A. "You" cannot draft quarterbacks in the first round or
B. It is highly unlikely Jerry Jones will draft a first-round quarterback in the 2021 NFL Draft

 

[csirl]

Daniel Jones 2019 6th
Patrick Mahomes 2017 10th
Lamar Jackson 2018 32nd
Deshaun Watson 2017 12th
Mitchell Trubisky 2017 2nd
Justin Herbert 2020
Dwayne Haskins 2019 15th
Kyler Murray 2019 1st
Jordan Love 2020
Baker Mayfield 2018 1st
Josh Rosen 2018 10th
Josh Allen 2018 7th
Tua Tagovailoa 2020
Sam Darnold 2018 3rd
Joe Burrow 2020

There was a very noticeable change in how QB prospects are scouted/graded after 2016 - less emphasis on size/speed/strength and gym pants drills and more emphasis on whether or not the QB can play. The success rate from 2017 onwards is high. I make it that 12 of the 15 on your list since then are starters and there are quite a few on this list that look like they will have long successful careers. While a couple of these starters may still flounder (and equally non-starters like Love could flourish in time) my guess is that the success rate on this list will ultimately be more than 50% being solid NFL starters or better.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

All the ones in the playoffs and the 10-6 Dolphins have a significantly better defense. Not all about the QB. Though the Chargers got a good one in Herbert hopefully they don't keep wasting his talent.

 

[blueblood70]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

um no one said you cant get a good QB in the first round but far more are busts , high risks for high draft stock..

so Tua himself won 6 games this year? im pretty sure Fitz won most of those games because he got his *** handed to him yesterday and basically benched quite a lot this year for lifelong Backup traveling qb in Fitz

Mayfield is not a#1 first overall guy, that was bad pick IMHO , Daks better then him, hes on team that has a great run game and plays great defense...
Goffs system qb not much better then wentz

Herbert and Burrows while they played well for rookies might want to wait and see how their actual careers go win wise, how many playoff games they win etc etc

Dak had better rookie years then any of them yet we havent had many playoff wins yet and hes getting fried for it much like Romo who BTW was UDFA..

this is team game

the Dc played with 3rd starting team most of the year..

your point gets lost in evaluating our record against other teams and rewarding their QB only..you left out the record number of injuries' we had and that our $th round QB got hurt in game 4 ..

so whats your point? this 2020 DC team was NOT OUR ACTUAL TEAM..

you can also get QB after round 1 or late round 1

people sated tanking for say top 3 to get one of the qbs most likely Fields etc was not worth the risk you play hard win or lose and pick where you pick..

 

[Jake]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

The narrative is Jerry and Stephen suck at trying to draft QBs. Their last four early round/trade up to get wannabes:

Quincy Carter
Johnny Manziel (Jerry lamented passing on him)
Paxton Lynch (Jerry lamented being outbid by Denver)
Connor Cook (same draft, Raiders outbid Dallas)

The two good QBs since Aikman? UDFA Tony Romo, end of the 4th round Dak who they only took because they failed to get Lynch or Cook.

By the way, the Dolphins had a better record than the Cowboys in spite of Tua. He's looking more like a bust than a success - defense and some Fitzmagic carried them to 10 wins. Goff has regressed every year - another team carried to the playoffs by defense. I notice you conveniently omitted Wentz.

Herbert and Allen look like the real deal, along with Watson and some kid named Mahomes.

 

[aikemirv]

We get frequently told on CZ that you cant draft QBs in the first round - they more than likely bust. The following 3 x early drafted QBs have got a lot of stick on CZ and labelled as jags who are not as good as Dak by many. Lets look at the outcome of this season:

Mayfield - in playoffs.
Allen - in playoffs.
Goff - in playoffs.

3 x QBs who were drafted early in 2020 got significant game time.

Tua - better record than Cowboys.
Herbert - better record than Cowboys.
Burrows - got injured.

How many other playoff QBs are first rounders?

Is this narrative dead?

You have 2 choices here. Sign Dak and build the Defense through the draft or try to get Zach Wilson and build the Defense through FA and the draft after the first round.

You don't have enough cap room to sign Dak and build through any kind of FA acquisitions.

It is just that simple - pick your poison

 

[CouchCoach]

There isn't a position that hasn't been a bust as a 1st rounder, including a top 1 or 2 pick, Mandarich and Leaf come to mind.

QB is the most difficult position to play which is why we're seeing the coaches adapting the game to these young guns instead of trying to force them into the traditional NFL QB role.

There are going to be 6 QB's taken in this 1st round, how many do you think are going to end up being Tier 1?

 

[John813]

There isn't a position that hasn't been a bust as a 1st rounder, including a top 1 or 2 pick, Mandarich and Leaf come to mind.

QB is the most difficult position to play which is why we're seeing the coaches adapting the game to these young guns instead of trying to force them into the traditional NFL QB role.

There are going to be 6 QB's taken in this 1st round, how many do you think are going to end up being Tier 1?

Using common core math the answer is 7.5

 

[CATCH17]

As a Miami fan as well Tua was terrible at times.

Think of 2017 Dak Prescott in the second half of the season.

Their defense was the reason why they were 10-6, as they had 12-13 good games that carried the offense to the W.

If Dak's agent still wants to play hardball, I would be hoping to see the team draft a QB.

If they are dumb enough to trade him Dallas needs to be all over that.