You can't pay everyone

[CATCH17]

Quote your sources on where you're getting "9 mill a year."

No sources but that has to be the amount of money he would get on the open market.

He is producing at a level that could make him league MVP. If we let him test the market someone will give him a pay day and im guessing it will be 8-10 mill.

 

[TimHortons]

It'll be interesting. The problem with having such a good O-line is it'll be expensive to keep everyone. Smith is already one of, if not the highest, paid LT in the league. Leary will get a good contract. Fred and Martin will be top 3 highest paid at their positions when their rookie contracts expire. If we draft a top RT, like many people want us to do, he'll be highly paid in 5 years. I don't see how we could possibly keep all these guys, and pay a top WR, and a top RB, and a top QB, and still field a defense. It's all good and gravy right now because the majority of our O-line are still on rookie deals.

By the time Fred's and Zach's contracts are up Romo and Murray will be gone

 

[blindzebra]

You sign Dez,

Give Leary a cap friendly deal.

Restructure Carr.

Sign McClain.

Restructure Witten and Romo as their contracts are built that way.

Attempt to sign Murray at 5 mil a year and if you can't franchise tag him. Running him like this and his tank will be empty in 2-3 years anyway.

 

[casmith07]

No sources but that has to be the amount of money he would get on the open market.

He is producing at a level that could make him league MVP. If we let him test the market someone will give him a pay day and im guessing it will be 8-10 mill.

Based on what?

Edit: nevermind, you said you're guessing. That's good, because it's simply a guess. Nobody knows what the negotiations will bring.

 

[casmith07]

You sign Dez,

Give Leary a cap friendly deal.

Restructure Carr.

Sign McClain.

Restructure Witten and Romo as their contracts are built that way.

Attempt to sign Murray at 5 mil a year and if you can't franchise tag him. Running him like this and his tank will be empty in 2-3 years anyway.

I think if we (knock on wood) win the Super Bowl, we let Murray walk.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dez isn't getting Calvin money. If anything close was offered he'd be signed long-term.

Murray isn't getting AD money. We offered him 4 for 16.

You're just so far off base here it's hard to really argue anything either way.

 

[CashMan]

Dez isn't getting Calvin money. If anything close was offered he'd be signed long-term.

Murray isn't getting AD money. We offered him 4 for 16.

You're just so far off base here it's hard to really argue anything either way.

Can you use, 2 tags at once? Like Franchise Dez, and Transition tag Demarco? Or, can only one be used at a time?

 

[cowboys2233]

This is the very reason that this league will never see a dynasty again. You can't hold on to players you drafted. Sucks

Patriots won three SBs in four years in the salary cap era. And with the less expensive rookie salary structure in place now, I think a dynasty is possible. You just have to be really good at finding talent in the draft and holding onto the core players that make the whole thing go.

 

[blindzebra]

I think if we (knock on wood) win the Super Bowl, we let Murray walk.

Nah, it would be too much like the Jimmy situation for Jerry...bad mojo.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

When it comes to Murray, this is going to show us if JJ and Co. are changing for the better. The days of the huge RB contracts are over in the NFL. Can Jerry resist the urge to go against the grain with Murray and sign him to a large contract? I like Murray just as much as the next guy, but NFL RB's are becoming what safeties used to be a few years ago. If you need one, there's always one available somewhere.

All you need to do is look at recent drafts to tell you how much importance NFL teams are putting on the RB position in today's NFL world. NFL teams want passers, wide receivers, guys to protect the passers, guys to get at the passers and guys to stop the wide receivers. RB's don't fall into any of those categories.

 

[cowboys2233]

When it comes to Murray, this is going to show us if JJ and Co. are changing for the better. The days of the huge RB contracts are over in the NFL. Can Jerry resist the urge to go against the grain with Murray and sign him to a large contract? I like Murray just as much as the next guy, but NFL RB's are becoming what safeties used to be a few years ago. If you need one, there's always one available somewhere.

All you need to do is look at recent drafts to tell you how much importance NFL teams are putting on the RB position in today's NFL world. NFL teams want passers, wide receivers, guys to protect the passers, guys to get at the passers and guys to stop the wide receivers. RB's don't fall into any of those categories.

Yup, but these things go in cycles. Yes, it has become a passing league -- so what do defenses do? They find personnel that are best suited to stop the passing game, more mobile, better in space, etc. Then what happens? Team A realizes that because everyone is focused on stopping the passing game with faster, more mobile players (albeit lighter and not as strong) having a stout running game might really give the team a unique quality that defenses are no longer designed to stop. Team A has a tremendous amount of success with running game. Other teams see that success and start designing their offenses around a strong running game. Defenses then start to tailor themselves to stop the running game. And so on...

BTW, guess who Team A is this year?

 

[DiResta]

Murray isn't getting AD money. We offered him 4 for 16.

that was just a rumor wasnt it?
and I would think 5 mil a year for 4 years would be a reasonable limit imo

 

[Doomsday101]

that was just a rumor wasnt it?
and I would think 5 mil a year for 4 years would be a reasonable limit imo

I have a feeling based on top 5 money for RB it will be more around 7 mill a year.

 

[casmith07]

that was just a rumor wasnt it?
and I would think 5 mil a year for 4 years would be a reasonable limit imo

I think so too. $16M guaranteed. More than Lynch, more than Gore.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Yup, but these things go in cycles. Yes, it has become a passing league -- so what do defenses do? They find personnel that are best suited to stop the passing game, more mobile, better in space, etc. Then what happens? Team A realizes that because everyone is focused on stopping the passing game with faster, more mobile players (albeit lighter and not as strong) having a stout running game might really give the team a unique quality that defenses are no longer designed to stop. Team A has a tremendous amount of success with running game. Other teams see that success and start designing their offenses around a strong running game. Defenses then start to tailor themselves to stop the running game. And so on...

BTW, guess who Team A is this year?

I agree. The only thing is that Team A has to be careful not to overpay for the player. Leave the overpaying to Teams B, C, D and everyone else that came to the party late.

 

[BAT]

You posted this under the guise of salary cap management but you then talk about trading Murray and signing AP, who would be every bit as expensive, which makes this sound suspiciously like a "Peterson is better than Murray" thread.

His agenda is so obvious to everyone now. He just can't let it go.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

fwiw, very few people are complaining about not having Hatcher. at his age, signing him to a new contract wouldn't be worth it. even fewer are complaining about Ratliff, because in the end, he didn't want to be here. but I have no problem saying that imo, it was a mistake to cut Ware.

 

[bayeslife]

Well, we overpaid Romo so I think that there are going to be a lot of players who feel like they deserve to be paid as well. Some guys are going to leave, it's as simple as that. However, if Murray was one of those guys and then you turned around and paid AP, you would deserve every bit of crap you got.

The players, IMO, would revolt. Media would crucify this team and we would deserve it.

Romo got market price.

 

[DiResta]

I have a feeling based on top 5 money for RB it will be more around 7 mill a year.

yeah I think you are right.

 

[cowboys2233]

I agree. The only thing is that Team A has to be careful not to overpay for the player. Leave the overpaying to Teams B, C, D and everyone else that came to the party late.

I agree -- I think AP or Megatron money is just silly. But I do think Murray is pretty unique. And more importantly, still young. This guy isn't going to fall off a cliff like MBIII -- sign this guy for four more years and you'll be getting four extremely productive years (barring injury). I think $5 to 5.5 million per over four years sounds about right. Or we franchise him and worry about this next year. LOL.