You can't pay everyone

[ConstantReboot]

I will just say that in general, we need to be smart about who we do and don't keep. Is paying big money to Murray after we (assuming he stays healthy) give him one of the biggest single-season workloads in history a smart idea?

One of the keys to this year's team is its youth. We have a lot of young guys playing for contracts who are super-motivated. When you start actually giving all these guys long-term deals, they lose their motivation. That's why it's important to continually draft well and continue to churn the roster. Sterling Moore has been good, but can we not find another Sterling Moore? That's no knock on him, and I don't mean to single him out, but just using him as an example.

The minute we start handing out extensions to everyone, IMO, is the minute Valley Ranch goes back to being the country club atmosphere that it used to be.

But on the other hand if we don't sign our players and they go off to do bigger and better things on other teams we would look like fools in not doing so.

We are on a roll and the last thing we should do is replace ALL of the players we have now just to save money. By then will be back to square one in filling in all the holes left by the players we thought we can easily fill in.

 

[theSHOW]

Using general logic it would seem that that can't re-sign everybody; however, there are a lot of unknowns at this point. The actual NFL cap the next few years is unknown at this point with some of the new network contracts.

It's unknown how long Romo plays. They could structure contracts for guys Dez to be smallish initial cap hits and then big hits later. If Romo is replaced by a young QB in a few years then some of that could offset. Romo is almost defintely gone by the time Martin needs a new contract.

I don't want to see some big waste contracts like they had in the past and I'm not a big fan of the 1 player away mentality, but their best chance to win is with Romo. It might be worth pushing the cap issues to keep this team together next year.

Kickin the can again? As much as I appreciate the valuable strategies you bring from the financial world I feel that getting the most out of every dollar is the better strategy than looking to spend every available dollar because of league increases. I'm speaking on what we already have and have to make decisions on how much to pay them or to pay them at all. If the cap is expanded then grabbing a player in FA would be where my money is spent. Something extra not inflating what we have because of the extra budget. Or staying put in FA and not going into the far future so that we are always playing from behind in the CAP maxing game each year.

 

[Galian Beast]

Using general logic it would seem that that can't re-sign everybody; however, there are a lot of unknowns at this point. The actual NFL cap the next few years is unknown at this point with some of the new network contracts.

It's unknown how long Romo plays. They could structure contracts for guys Dez to be smallish initial cap hits and then big hits later. If Romo is replaced by a young QB in a few years then some of that could offset. Romo is almost defintely gone by the time Martin needs a new contract.

I don't want to see some big waste contracts like they had in the past and I'm not a big fan of the 1 player away mentality, but their best chance to win is with Romo. It might be worth pushing the cap issues to keep this team together next year.

It might be.

 

[Zordon]

Hopefully Romo realizes his role and responsibilities has diminished a bit and offers some money back. Things are good right now. If he wants an Elway-type of an ending to his career he can help make that happen but giving a little back to help sign all of these guys.

Franchising and trading Murray is an intelligent idea that I hope the Jones clan is considering.

People who think AP, after everything that has gone on, is going to request big money are about as dumb as the people who think an intelligent guy like Murray is going to accept a 4yr/16 mill deal. AP is a chip you have to be willing to play. If he comes here, it's going to be for a major discount and b/c Murray deservedly wanted a big deal to end his career.

Sadly this salary cap system rewards apathetic cut-throat organizations like the Patriots over franchises like the Cowboys that tend to take care of players who have short half-lives. I think in order to prolong this success long-term we have to be smart about offering these 3 players: Leary, Free, and Carter. I think we should try to find replacements for all 3 in the draft. I personally prefer Durant's style of play over Carter's and I'm impressed that he's an elected captain on the team. I don't think the team trusts Carter's intangibles w/ a long-term deal. Let him get paid elsewhere. I role with Parnell and a 2nd round tackle next year at RT. I love Leary's intensity but I keep an eye on the future and realize that Fred and Martin and Smith are realistically the three mainstays going forward. For that reason I tender Leary and hope to find a late pick up in the draft to groom.

Carr is a pay-cut or cut candidate. His on the field demeanor is starting to remind me of Newman in his final days, very non-chalant. I was never a big fan of Melton so I don't care if they cut or restructure.

 

[Doomsday101]

Kickin the can again? As much as I appreciate the valuable strategies you bring from the financial world I feel that getting the most out of every dollar is the better strategy than looking to spend every available dollar because of league increases. I'm speaking on what we already have and have to make decisions on how much to pay them or to pay them at all. If the cap is expanded then grabbing a player in FA would be where my money is spent. Something extra not inflating what we have because of the extra budget. Or staying put in FA and not going into the far future so that we are always playing from behind in the CAP maxing game each year.

True but in this case it would be younger players not guys hitting 30 with contract they will never play out.

 

[Galian Beast]

You only get compensation if you lose more free agents then you sign. So losing Murray and signing AP gets you nothing.

My biggest pet peeve is people who read something and rather than comprehend what they read, they've heard what they wanted to hear.

I said we would trade murray, the compensation would be for trading him...

 

[theSHOW]

True but in this case it would be younger players not guys hitting 30 with contract they will never play out.

Yep. That makes it a very very tough decision for management. Not an old player by any stretch if we are talking about Bryant. What makes him in the same category of an older vet would be his exorbitant amount expected from the player and it hamstrings the teams cap flexibility and all for a player who is on an island by himself part of a large group being the receiver corps...the pizza pie just doesn't seem to fit in my kitchen when the WR is taking the 2nd largest piece on the team. As for the other younger guy I have mentions which I would want back and why.

 

[BAT]

Oy vey. Jerry is not going to let either of Dez, Ro or Murray walk. Ro will be easily re-signed, he likes the team and the coaches, and MLB is not going to cost an arm and leg. One of Dez or Murray will be signed to long term contract and the other will be franchised for a season.

It's the Meltons, Frees, Carters, Durants (although he is moving up), Carrs, etc. who have to worry. The O needs to keep its stars, but Jerry is realizing that Marinelli can coach up anything with a pulse into playing like a pack of hungry wild dogs.

 

[Zordon]

I don't think there is any chance we keep both Durant and Carter. In fact I think it's more likely we lose both than sign both. It's going to be one or the other or neither imo.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep. That makes it a very very tough decision for management. Not an old player by any stretch if we are talking about Bryant. What makes him in the same category of an older vet would be his exorbitant amount expected from the player and it hamstrings the teams cap flexibility and all for a player who is on an island by himself part of a large group being the receiver corps...the pizza pie just doesn't seem to fit in my kitchen when the WR is taking the 2nd largest piece on the team. As for the other younger guy I have mentions which I would want back and why.

I think Dez will get paid very well I do think their is a bottom line, I don't see him getting Calvin Johnson money but if you expect to have an elite WR there is a price range Dallas must be willing to pay. Fact is Dallas will likely restructure contracts to make room. I also see some guys who will take pay cuts or sent packing. Alternative is lose top players and get ready for a lot more seasons of 8-8 or less.

 

[cowboys2233]

I think Dez will get paid very well I do think their is a bottom line, I don't see him getting Calvin Johnson money but if you expect to have an elite WR there is a price range Dallas must be willing to pay. Fact is Dallas will likely restructure contracts to make room. I also see some guys who will take pay cuts or sent packing. Alternative is lose top players and get ready for a lot more seasons of 8-8 or less.

Yup. The problem isn't paying a lot of money for star players as long as they stay highly productive. The problem is paying a lot of money for guys who turn into pumpkins after getting paid. Dez isn't going anywhere. Neither is Murray. But you can bet your bottom dollar that these two will continue to put forth maximum effort and produce because it's just in their DNA.

 

[theSHOW]

I think Dez will get paid very well I do think their is a bottom line, I don't see him getting Calvin Johnson money but if you expect to have an elite WR there is a price range Dallas must be willing to pay. Fact is Dallas will likely restructure contracts to make room. I also see some guys who will take pay cuts or sent packing. Alternative is lose top players and get ready for a lot more seasons of 8-8 or less.

Nobody is going to pay Dez CJ cash. And as you know I am not a fan of a high prices elete receiver because I do not see the value. I feel Romos stats are comparable no matter who he spreads the ball out to. With Dez being the best he is going to get the most targeted balls. We all agree on that. But we have a premiere Oline and QB who will not lose even a drop of his throwing pct. or YPC or TDs. The value would be extremely low to keep DB unless you have a crush on him like many do it makes no sense. It's not a fact that Dez is back until the ink dries on the contract. I'm more about facts Doomsday than emotion for it hurts the team as I explained. Restructuring is fine if needed and if it is needed I wouldn't put it here. You watch the money and don't throw it away you sign virtually every top player on the team while sacrificing only one. Think about it. And I'm not talking about mortgaging much into the future. If we can't sign them all...which is the Title of this thread ...my suggestion is we can sign them all but Dez.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nobody is going to pay Dez CJ cash. And as you know I am not a fan of a high prices elete receiver because I do not see the value. I feel Romos stats are comparable no matter who he spreads the ball out to. With Dez being the best he is going to get the most targeted balls. We all agree on that. But we have a premiere Oline and QB who will not lose even a drop of his throwing pct. or YPC or TDs. The value would be extremely low to keep DB unless you have a crush on him like many do it makes no sense. It's not a fact that Dez is back until the ink dries on the contract. I'm more about facts Doomsday than emotion for it hurts the team as I explained. Restructuring is fine if needed and if it is needed I wouldn't put it here. You watch the money and don't throw it away you sign virtually every top player on the team while sacrificing only one. Think about it. And I'm not talking about mortgaging much into the future. If we can't sign them all...which is the Title of this thread ...my suggestion is we can sign them all but Dez.

I find it funny how everyone seems to have their own value chart on positions, myself I value quality players who are difference makers be them RB or WR or QB or whatever the position may be. Avg players regardless of position can be had for as they say a dime a dozen but talent wins.

 

[tyke1doe]

Then you don't appreciate him, you're downplaying his abilities by putting most of his success on the offensive line. There have been many RB's behind great lines in the past (This offensive line isn't the greatest offensive line of all time) and haven't produced like Murray has. Morris can't catch, Bell isn't as good of a runner, Jamaal Charles would certainly come close to what Murray is doing because he's a fantastic RB as well.

However, him being comparable to one player in the league shows that it won't be so easy to replace him.

If people aren't putting Murray down, they are putting Dez down it seems just to justify not paying them. If you can, you find ways to pay both and continue building this team through the draft.

Well, yes, I am putting much of his success on the offensive line. We just don't have enough information to say he is the difference because, for the most part, he has been injured. I don't see Murray as the next Emmitt Smith. I think he's replaceable.

Second, I wish we could keep everyone. But we can't. So I would rather part with Murray than Dez or the offensive linemen.

 

[theSHOW]

I find it funny how everyone seems to have their own value chart on positions, myself I value quality players who are difference makers be them RB or WR or QB or whatever the position may be. Avg players regardless of position can be had for as they say a dime a dozen but talent wins.

we different lol

 

[Doomsday101]

we different lol

True, we is. lol I think great players are hard to find, to keep you pay if you choose not to then you get less. I think Dallas will be able to manage their cap and get these guys signed. I doubt we do much in terms of outside FA other than filling gaps much like we did with Mincey, 2 year deal 3 mill. Personally I think Dallas has done better getting the mid-range FA like Kosier and Mincey as opposed to bigger name FA who are paid big and never live up to it. With Dez you have a guy who plays with emotion who wants to win and who understand the system same with Murray. Then of course look to the draft.

 

[mattjames2010]

Well, yes, I am putting much of his success on the offensive line. We just don't have enough information to say he is the difference because, for the most part, he has been injured. I don't see Murray as the next Emmitt Smith. I think he's replaceable.

Second, I wish we could keep everyone. But we can't. So I would rather part with Murray than Dez or the offensive linemen.

Murray hasn't had a significant injury since 2012. He's missed two games since then (back to back), and outside of the freak injury in 2011, I'm not sure where this "injury plagued" career thing comes from.

Murray has been a difference maker since he became a starter for the Cowboys.

And we'll find a way to keep our key players, unless they actually want out badly.

 

[rynochop]

Dez isn't getting Calvin money. If anything close was offered he'd be signed long-term.

Murray isn't getting AD money. We offered him 4 for 16.

You're just so far off base here it's hard to really argue anything either way.

I don't disagree with the spirit of your post, but I think that 4 x 16 was just completely made up.

 

[Frosty]

Just restructuring Romo's 17 million dollar base salary, we can open up about 12 million against the cap next year.

Two things I think I think...
1, Its either Murray or Dez....cant afford two high priced contracts
2. NO WAY did I say NO WAY.. should they restructure Romo's contract....... Don't care what the savings is, Romo is to old and 2 back surgeries...just a matter of time before Romo is retired....I see 1 or 2 more productive years left.

Cowboys are finally seeing a small, ity bity light in the Salary Cap tunnel.....don't turnaround, don't go backwards....keep with the plan and don't overpay....psss.....the defense needs some help

 

[zrinkill]

There is also a good chance AP will be available in free agency next year. I might even franchise Murray and sign AP with the intent of trading Murray.

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