You don't need elite QB play to win playoff games

You're a hard task master if you think that wasn't a good pass, I thought it was on the numbers.
As for moving away from the run, yep that was unusual, unless they feared a ball being hit out of hards like Andrews other turnover (I doubt Henry was gassed).
Good pass by LJ bad break on the catch attempt but we’ve seen it by Jackie Smith in a aSB, just the way the ball bounced.
 
Let me say this. I think Lamar is the best quarterback in the NFL. I used to think he was the best weapon (not quarterback) but this year he went to another level. Lamar tried to be Superman and turned the ball over twice and it cost the Ravens. Allen was just a bus driver and his team won the game. The Buffalo quarterback used his head while the Ravens quarterback used his talents. That was the difference in the game. Playoff winning quarterbacks understand this.
I agree with your original premise that Jackson is the best weapon because his judgement led to those turnovers and in the end judgement is what makes the great QBs. Jackson I think is elite; but not the best. Mahomes is still that
 
Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

C/ATTYDSAVGTDINTQBRRTG
Mahomes16/251777.11066.398.2
Hurts15/201286.40049.491.2
Lamar18/2525410.221
Allen16/221275.800
Lamar lost. Jayden Daniel’s is in there! Look at the INTS. Look at the weather. Look at the rushing TDs. How many combined picks for the four remaining QBs.
Zero!!! That’s elite QB play!!
 
You do not need an elite quarterback to win in the NFL or to go far in the playoffs you need your team to play very well together as a team all three phases and coaching it's a team game and yes you need a solid quarterback to get you there to win on a regular basis in the regular season to put enough together especially in your division to get you into the playoffs once you're into the playoffs you have to step up your play because you're now gonna go against all the better teams that are left in the NFL on your schedule and the whole team has to show up they have to play together they have to limit mistakes and every now and again make a off script off target play and those are what wins you games the Dallas Cowboys have not had any of that all at once in a playoff game...

They literally have had so many problems in so many areas like the offensive line the lack of a run game penalties the defense not stepping up when it needs to giving up too many yards too many points or penalties literally dropped passes bad routes tipped passes bad calls by the rest I mean it is everything this team always has something blow up and we need to stop blaming the quarterback we've seen quarterbacks who have turnovers Matthew Stafford did it when he won his Super Bowl with the Rams in the first year with the Rams he led the league in interceptions he had two interceptions in the Super bowl and they still won they had an elite team the team covered it up the team overcame it the defense and the special teams and the coaching made sure i picked him up..

TEAM the best thing to do is understand we have had two of the better quarterbacks in the NFL completely capable of winning games but they need help they all need help many of those players are being talked about here have great run games great defenses or great game plans by the head coaches or the coaching staff the Cowboys have yet to find that in a very long time and we need that.... We can win with Prescott it's just gonna take a better showing by the team...

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Lamar lost. Jayden Daniel’s is in there! Look at the INTS. Look at the weather. Look at the rushing TDs. How many combined picks for the four remaining QBs.
Zero!!! That’s elite QB play!!
Well said.

Move the ball, don't turn the ball over, get in the end zone. The big 3 that really describes elite QB play.
 
You're a hard task master if you think that wasn't a good pass, I thought it was on the numbers.
As for moving away from the run, yep that was unusual, unless they feared a ball being hit out of hards like Andrews other turnover (I doubt Henry was gassed).
On the numbers? Andrews had to reach back and try to snag it while he was going forward. It wasn't close to on the numbers. We do agree that it should have been caught!!!!!!!
 
I used to also laugh at those who claimed the NFL manipulated games. Those two Steeler super bowls are what made me realize there is something going on beyond any doubt. Just too much evidence.
Agreed. My older relatives told me they were as I was growing up. I didn't believe it either, but as you said over the years just too many egregious things occur to believe it's just all innocent mistakes.

The Seahawks - Steelers SB was the one where almost everyone agreed that it was blatant. Heck, even Madden who was notorious for ignoring video replay, was pointing out the bad calls.
 
Agreed. My older relatives told me they were as I was growing up. I didn't believe it either, but as you said over the years just too many egregious things occur to believe it's just all innocent mistakes.

The Seahawks - Steelers SB was the one where almost everyone agreed that it was blatant. Heck, even Madden who was notorious for ignoring video replay, was pointing out the bad calls.
It finally sunk in for me, what they do is call penalties that happen frequently, but they call them in key situations. O Holding is the biggest one. You can legit call holding on every play. Plus, even plays that are not holding look like holding in slomo.
 
Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

C/ATTYDSAVGTDINTQBRRTG
Mahomes16/251777.11066.398.2
Hurts15/201286.40049.491.2
Lamar18/2525410.221
Allen16/221275.800
if the QB cannot escape the pocket you're screwed
 
You do not need an elite quarterback to win in the NFL or to go far in the playoffs you need your team to play very well together as a team all three phases and coaching it's a team game and yes you need a solid quarterback to get you there to win on a regular basis in the regular season to put enough together especially in your division to get you into the playoffs once you're into the playoffs you have to step up your play because you're now gonna go against all the better teams that are left in the NFL on your schedule and the whole team has to show up they have to play together they have to limit mistakes and every now and again make a off script off target play and those are what wins you games the Dallas Cowboys have not had any of that all at once in a playoff game...

They literally have had so many problems in so many areas like the offensive line the lack of a run game penalties the defense not stepping up when it needs to giving up too many yards too many points or penalties literally dropped passes bad routes tipped passes bad calls by the rest I mean it is everything this team always has something blow up and we need to stop blaming the quarterback we've seen quarterbacks who have turnovers Matthew Stafford did it when he won his Super Bowl with the Rams in the first year with the Rams he led the league in interceptions he had two interceptions in the Super bowl and they still won they had an elite team the team covered it up the team overcame it the defense and the special teams and the coaching made sure i picked him up..

TEAM the best thing to do is understand we have had two of the better quarterbacks in the NFL completely capable of winning games but they need help they all need help many of those players are being talked about here have great run games great defenses or great game plans by the head coaches or the coaching staff the Cowboys have yet to find that in a very long time and we need that.... We can win with Prescott it's just gonna take a better showing by the team...

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Only Elite QB here is Joe Burrow.

This list in order.
JB
Lamar
Goff
Love
Herbert
Lawerence
Tua
Dak
 
Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

C/ATTYDSAVGTDINTQBRRTG
Mahomes16/251777.11066.398.2
Hurts15/201286.40049.491.2
Lamar18/2525410.221
Allen16/221275.800
Can you image just how bad Prescott's stats would have looked like if he played in one of those games...............LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Prescott's line if he played:(5/20 16 YDS) (ZERO TDs - 4 INTs) at the podium he would have stated: I've got to play better......LOL!!!
 
Only Elite QB here is Joe Burrow.

This list in order.
JB
Lamar
Goff
Love
Herbert
Lawerence
Tua
Dak
no that would be your list you know that these lists are opinions right you could call Joe Burrow elite but then he carried his team into glory they lost that Super Bowl and they start out every season slow where they can't get out of a hole and don't tell me how it's the rest of the team because Prescott does not get these debates doing the arguments that all his defense let him down didn't have a good enough offensive line didn't good enough run game his coaching staff is not good and then they compare it to the lions well that's the same argument with Prescott..

This will forever be a team game until you guys learn that stop blaming the quarterbacks for everything even when they make mistakes I do not blame them and you can have all the lists you want in the order you want but that's still your opinion we all have our opinions... I'm just telling you what they're saying on the Internet they're even calling Daniel's elite Can you believe this rookie who hasn't done anything special more than Prescott did his rookie year more than CJ Stroud did his rookie year that doesn't make you elite but they are very good quarterbacks.. The fact is that you put Herbert and Lawrence over that make sure list a failure to me you're not have your eyes open Prescott in my opinion are better than them he's better than golf you give Prescott a running back in a run game and a complete offense and a play caller like that he's not throwing 4 interceptions or how many turnovers golf had that game his running back had like 10 yards per carry in the first half they were rolling he had no reason to make mistakes and he did he made unforced errors for no reason in a game that had full control over if they just didn't turn the ball over and he did Prescott does not do that..

But you wanna argue show me the last time Prescott had a running back that was having that kind of success early in the game literally owned the line of scrimmage and had that type of talent all over 'cause they went all in remember they had an all in team especially on offense and when you have a running game that just absolutely put like 200 yards on Dan Quinn's defense again if GOFF doesn't turn the ball over they win that game...

And I'll say it again whenever our teams gave Romo or Prescott that type of roster on offense that was playing well especially when you have a run game like that he won almost all those games both of them would win those games that's the problem we're not giving them that kind of support and then you're pushing them down the list your list is terrible... I'll give you get some of those quarterbacks might be considered more elite and some less and Prescott's not elite but I'm sorry you putting that below those guys.. I'm sorry babe I can't buy it then you're basically your hate and your blame on Prescott having those guys above him you're insane you haven't been watching this some most of them have better players around them and better coaching staff and most of the time their teams are playing better but when you got a guy that hasn't produced very much that's supposed to I mean you got a multiple MVP in there that might get his third MVP this year that has a three and five playoff record you're calling him elite because he has what a better run game but he was giving Derek Henry and still didn't even make the championship game... Those guys on that list though the rest you have a Prescott below them you're insane they're not better they're younger maybe they can get it right maybe they're less injured but you're not none of those guys are absolutely better than Prescott it's all debatable and I'm putting him above those guys for now

Goff
Love
Herbert
Lawerence
Tua
 
no that would be your list you know that these lists are opinions right you could call Joe Burrow elite but then he carried his team into glory they lost that Super Bowl and they start out every season slow where they can't get out of a hole and don't tell me how it's the rest of the team because Prescott does not get these debates doing the arguments that all his defense let him down didn't have a good enough offensive line didn't good enough run game his coaching staff is not good and then they compare it to the lions well that's the same argument with Prescott..

This will forever be a team game until you guys learn that stop blaming the quarterbacks for everything even when they make mistakes I do not blame them and you can have all the lists you want in the order you want but that's still your opinion we all have our opinions... I'm just telling you what they're saying on the Internet they're even calling Daniel's elite Can you believe this rookie who hasn't done anything special more than Prescott did his rookie year more than CJ Stroud did his rookie year that doesn't make you elite but they are very good quarterbacks.. The fact is that you put Herbert and Lawrence over that make sure list a failure to me you're not have your eyes open Prescott in my opinion are better than them he's better than golf you give Prescott a running back in a run game and a complete offense and a play caller like that he's not throwing 4 interceptions or how many turnovers golf had that game his running back had like 10 yards per carry in the first half they were rolling he had no reason to make mistakes and he did he made unforced errors for no reason in a game that had full control over if they just didn't turn the ball over and he did Prescott does not do that..

But you wanna argue show me the last time Prescott had a running back that was having that kind of success early in the game literally owned the line of scrimmage and had that type of talent all over
'cause they went all in remember they had an all in team especially on offense and when you have a running game that just absolutely put like 200 yards on Dan Quinn's defense again if GOFF doesn't turn the ball over they win that game...

And I'll say it again whenever our teams gave Romo or Prescott that type of roster on offense that was playing well especially when you have a run game like that he won almost all those games both of them would win those games that's the problem we're not giving them that kind of support and then you're pushing them down the list your list is terrible... I'll give you get some of those quarterbacks might be considered more elite and some less and Prescott's not elite but I'm sorry you putting that below those guys.. I'm sorry babe I can't buy it then you're basically your hate and your blame on Prescott having those guys above him you're insane you haven't been watching this some most of them have better players around them and better coaching staff and most of the time their teams are playing better but when you got a guy that hasn't produced very much that's supposed to I mean you got a multiple MVP in there that might get his third MVP this year that has a three and five playoff record you're calling him elite because he has what a better run game but he was giving Derek Henry and still didn't even make the championship game... Those guys on that list though the rest you have a Prescott below them you're insane they're not better they're younger maybe they can get it right maybe they're less injured but you're not none of those guys are absolutely better than Prescott it's all debatable and I'm putting him above those guys for now

Goff
Love
Herbert
Lawerence
Tua
This entire post is just delusion, and excuse making for Dak.

Dak has had a solid career, but listing every excuse in the book doesnt excuse his failures either. Jayden Daniels has literally carried a Washington team on his back most of this season. Outside of their LBs and one of their DTs to replace Mazi how many players are you taking from Washington over the Cowboy counterpart? Is Noah Brown that elite of a WR?

Did Trevor Lawrerence really have better coaching than Dak has had?

Has Dak not played a part in the run game issues?

Why does Goff get thrown under the bus for throwing interceptions, but when Dak does it its someone elses fault? WR mistakes or "bad play calls"

Believe it or not it's OK to root for Dak and say that he needs to play better. The results between Dak and Rush this year were pretty minimal. We need better QB play despite other flaws on the roster.
 
no that would be your list you know that these lists are opinions right you could call Joe Burrow elite but then he carried his team into glory they lost that Super Bowl and they start out every season slow where they can't get out of a hole and don't tell me how it's the rest of the team because Prescott does not get these debates doing the arguments that all his defense let him down didn't have a good enough offensive line didn't good enough run game his coaching staff is not good and then they compare it to the lions well that's the same argument with Prescott..

This will forever be a team game until you guys learn that stop blaming the quarterbacks for everything even when they make mistakes I do not blame them and you can have all the lists you want in the order you want but that's still your opinion we all have our opinions... I'm just telling you what they're saying on the Internet they're even calling Daniel's elite Can you believe this rookie who hasn't done anything special more than Prescott did his rookie year more than CJ Stroud did his rookie year that doesn't make you elite but they are very good quarterbacks.. The fact is that you put Herbert and Lawrence over that make sure list a failure to me you're not have your eyes open Prescott in my opinion are better than them he's better than golf you give Prescott a running back in a run game and a complete offense and a play caller like that he's not throwing 4 interceptions or how many turnovers golf had that game his running back had like 10 yards per carry in the first half they were rolling he had no reason to make mistakes and he did he made unforced errors for no reason in a game that had full control over if they just didn't turn the ball over and he did Prescott does not do that..

But you wanna argue show me the last time Prescott had a running back that was having that kind of success early in the game literally owned the line of scrimmage and had that type of talent all over 'cause they went all in remember they had an all in team especially on offense and when you have a running game that just absolutely put like 200 yards on Dan Quinn's defense again if GOFF doesn't turn the ball over they win that game...

And I'll say it again whenever our teams gave Romo or Prescott that type of roster on offense that was playing well especially when you have a run game like that he won almost all those games both of them would win those games that's the problem we're not giving them that kind of support and then you're pushing them down the list your list is terrible... I'll give you get some of those quarterbacks might be considered more elite and some less and Prescott's not elite but I'm sorry you putting that below those guys.. I'm sorry babe I can't buy it then you're basically your hate and your blame on Prescott having those guys above him you're insane you haven't been watching this some most of them have better players around them and better coaching staff and most of the time their teams are playing better but when you got a guy that hasn't produced very much that's supposed to I mean you got a multiple MVP in there that might get his third MVP this year that has a three and five playoff record you're calling him elite because he has what a better run game but he was giving Derek Henry and still didn't even make the championship game... Those guys on that list though the rest you have a Prescott below them you're insane they're not better they're younger maybe they can get it right maybe they're less injured but you're not none of those guys are absolutely better than Prescott it's all debatable and I'm putting him above those guys for now

Goff
Love
Herbert
Lawerence
Tua
Hard read but I’ll try.
There are two elite QBs on that list. JB and Lamar. Every person who knows anything about football, including Aikman, Montana. Brady, and Bradshaw have all said Burrow is the best QB in the league.
Lamar was winning MVPs before Henry got there. The others are all debatable. But none of those other guys with the exception of Tua are injury prone like Dak. None of them have two bum legs. All of them run twice as fast and probably twice as often.

Don’t @ me with the Dak hate BS. I’ve been an open Dak apologist for the last 5 years on this board. But it’s over. The proof is in the pudding.

Dak by himself cost us the GB game last year, and he continued that horrific play into this year.
 
I’ve been an open Dak apologist for the last 5 years on this board. But it’s over. The proof is in the pudding.
Mad respect for anyone who keeps an open mind and is willing to say "Hey, the evidence does suggest that maybe I was wrong." :thumbup:
 
not none of those guys are absolutely better than Prescott
Almost everyone in the league is better than Prescott at this point. There is no logical basis not to understand this after a career backup gives you similar but better results with a less talented team around him.
 
Almost everyone in the league is better than Prescott at this point. There is no logical basis not to understand this after a career backup gives you similar but better results with a less talented team around him.
the Dak bots will never admit they are full of it

I would take a healthy Dak over MAYBE lawrence. None of the others
 
Rodgers is better than Burrow right now.

You want to muddy the convo as to make money off of monkeys typing in circles.

Rodgers makes all the same throws, is accurate, isnt scared to throw into tight windows even if it leads to an INT(WHICH THIS BOARD YEARNS FOR)

and he looks way more graceful than Burrow...right now.

your a rage baiter that will lean into a 'youth' excuse and not on field play. Burrow checks down a lot, but is accurate. I just find that boring like New England offense during the dynasty. Rodgers will launch with historically low INT's

but you want to talk about shock value
 
Hard read but I’ll try.
There are two elite QBs on that list. JB and Lamar. Every person who knows anything about football, including Aikman, Montana. Brady, and Bradshaw have all said Burrow is the best QB in the league.
Lamar was winning MVPs before Henry got there. The others are all debatable. But none of those other guys with the exception of Tua are injury prone like Dak. None of them have two bum legs. All of them run twice as fast and probably twice as often.

Don’t @ me with the Dak hate BS. I’ve been an open Dak apologist for the last 5 years on this board. But it’s over. The proof is in the pudding.

Dak by himself cost us the GB game last year, and he continued that horrific play into this year.

Hard read but I’ll try.
There are two elite QBs on that list. JB and Lamar. Every person who knows anything about football, including Aikman, Montana. Brady, and Bradshaw have all said Burrow is the best QB in the league.
Lamar was winning MVPs before Henry got there. The others are all debatable. But none of those other guys with the exception of Tua are injury prone like Dak. None of them have two bum legs. All of them run twice as fast and probably twice as often.

Don’t @ me with the Dak hate BS. I’ve been an open Dak apologist for the last 5 years on this board. But it’s over. The proof is in the pudding.

Dak by himself cost us the GB game last year, and he continued that horrific play into this year.
Oh I will come at you I will tell you this what you're saying is your opinion that's your opinion I'm not agreeing with your list at all and I'm telling you you're so far off on Prescott that your hate is showing hard!!

and no I wholeheartedly disagree with the Green Bay game he didn't give up seven points to start the game like it was practice he also didn't give up 21 straight points to start the second-half that defense was never gonna stop anyone we would have had to score 40 points just to stay in the game regardless of what happened in the first half..

Do you need these examples spoon fed to you let me mansplain you something we saw in the past that a team like the Rams with Matthew Stafford they won the Super bowl despite the fact that he led the league in interceptions and he threw 2 interceptions in the Super bowl they found a way to come back and win that game they didn't blame the quarterback so there's no way telling me that dak alone lost that game for us against Green Bay are you freaking serious!!!

Let me give the other example who is the other team playing on that same day that'd be the San Francisco 49ers versus the Detroit Lions and guess what they had a terrible first half as well they were behind about the same amount of points they were playing that offense they were struggling and it looked l....was just gonna run away with the game.

Guess what happened their defense held up in the second-half they got some special teams going their coaches made big adjustments and San Francisco was able to come back and win that game despite the same exact first half we had against the packers our defense gave up 21 points to start the second half. We were not coming back in that game no matter how well our quarterback would have played it would have took a ridiculous amount of perfect football to win this game you know like Prescott did against Seattle two years ago where there was no defense and no special teams he got no help but he went toe to toe and won that game in a high scoring game..

you can't ask a quarterback to play perfectly or you blame it on him other quarterbacks make mistakes and they still win games it's because you need a defense and you need a run game you need to win in the trenches you need a good coaching staff you blaming Prescott tells me right now your list has no validation whatsoever......

It's one thing to have an opinion about where somebody ranks or if they're elite versus not elite but blaming Prescott for that loss is insane apparently you don't know how to watch football from inside out I watch it all the time enough to know that first of all the mistakes were not solely on him they were a bad route off script by lamb that caused one of the interceptions I believe it was the pick six and then you had a mugging on Brandon cooks where he was interfered with not once but twice in the leverage he was pulled aside get that first interception but you don't know how to watch football apparently you're blaming him for that and that's OK but that means you have no validation from me i will not hear anything else you have to say...
 
Hi, I was gonna be nice. However, since you’re the one that started off with the mansplain thing , which is where I stopped reading. Learn some punctuation, and hold your thoughts to about a paragraph or two. Then people might read what you have to say.

But I’ll give you something to ponder. Why did Dak say this is the worst game he ever played in his life? Why did he say turnovers lost the game and that he can’t throw pics like that and expect to win? I’ll leave it at that. We will never win with Dak as a quarterback. What’s even more sad is that our coaching search has been dumbed down to find a coach who’s willing to keep the system as is because Dak isn’t smart enough to learn a new system. So as we blame Jerry for this coaching debacle, we should keep in mind that He’s doing it because of the IQ of our quarterback.
 
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