You don't need elite QB play to win playoff games

[Smith22]

I hear you. Lamar has had a great defensive line and offensive line since he got to Baltimore. He can’t make it to the Bowl. Lamar has to take some responsibility for that. Dak had his chances as well. These guys get paid big money to win.

That entire 2nd half fell on 1 player, Andrews.

He ran backwards and fumbled the ball away to blow all the momentum, then dropped the game tying 2 point conversion to boot.

Meanwhile Allen was busy being a bus driver.

 

[baltcowboy]

I mostly agree, however, lets be fair to Lamar, what could he off done differently in that last drive vrs Bills?

If Lamar doesn’t have those first half turnovers they beat Buffalo easily. The Ravens were clearly the better team. Drops happen. Those turnovers where poor decisions.

 

[baltcowboy]

That entire 2nd half fell on 1 player, Andrews.

He ran backwards and fumbled the ball away to blow all the momentum, then dropped the game tying 2 point conversion to boot.

Meanwhile Allen was busy being a bus driver.

Allen did exactly what he needed to do to win. Same with Hurts.

 

[CowboyoWales]

If Lamar doesn’t have those first half turnovers they beat Buffalo easily. The Ravens were clearly the better team. Drops happen. Those turnovers where poor decisions.

But when it mattered he brought the 'A game'. Whilst he lost, there's no ingrained issue as to why (unlike some people we know), similar to QB's getting beaten in a shoot out vrs Mahomes, where he has the last bullet.....not all 'failures' are the same.

 

[NFCBeasts]

If you don't "need" elite QB play, why exactly are we paying wak Prescott 60M a year if Rush or any other rethread can step in and "win" in the playoffs? Why?! This was obviously an apologist thread but they don't realize this star proves how expandable Dak is and how foolish it was to pay him top dollar

Reply of the thread !

 

[baltcowboy]

But when it mattered he brought the 'A game'. Whilst he lost, there's no ingrained issue as to why (unlike some people we know), similar to QB's getting beaten in a shoot out vrs Mahomes, where he has the last bullet.....not all 'failures' are the same.

Let me say this. I think Lamar is the best quarterback in the NFL. I used to think he was the best weapon (not quarterback) but this year he went to another level. Lamar tried to be Superman and turned the ball over twice and it cost the Ravens. Allen was just a bus driver and his team won the game. The Buffalo quarterback used his head while the Ravens quarterback used his talents. That was the difference in the game. Playoff winning quarterbacks understand this.

 

[McKDaddy]

And the NFL is just now starting to get called on it. I think the NO/MINNY debacle played a huge part in waking people up. And now these pickly little calls for Mahomes, just too obvious.

They called a chop block on Hasselbeck trying to make a tackle after throwing an interception as I recall. How is that even a thing?

 

[kskboys]

The irony is that every quarterback that’s left is a mobile quarterback. The game has changed you have to have some mobility and a running quarterback seems to be able to win games.

Big difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Mahomes and Allen are both passing QB's who can run. Daniels appears to be a competent passer, and Hurts isn't too bad of a passer.

A running QB who can't pass at least adequately is not going to win a super bowl.

Mobility is definitely important, and to overcome a lack thereof that QB must be able to pass at an extremely high level. Brady is a great example of that, one of the most immobile of all time.

 

[kskboys]

Let me say this. I think Lamar is the best quarterback in the NFL. I used to think he was the best weapon (not quarterback) but this year he went to another level. Lamar tried to be Superman and turned the ball over twice and it cost the Ravens. Allen was just a bus driver and his team won the game. The Buffalo quarterback used his head while the Ravens quarterback used his talents. That was the difference in the game. Playoff winning quarterbacks understand this.

Lamar is not close to Mahomes. No one is at present.

Turning the ball over, especially in the playoffs, is one of the primary factors that makes him not the best QB in the NFL. Those things are contradictory.

 

[kskboys]

They called a chop block on Hasselbeck trying to make a tackle after throwing an interception as I recall. How is that even a thing?

I used to also laugh at those who claimed the NFL manipulated games. Those two Steeler super bowls are what made me realize there is something going on beyond any doubt. Just too much evidence.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Let me say this. I think Lamar is the best quarterback in the NFL. I used to think he was the best weapon (not quarterback) but this year he went to another level. Lamar tried to be Superman and turned the ball over twice and it cost the Ravens. Allen was just a bus driver and his team won the game. The Buffalo quarterback used his head while the Ravens quarterback used his talents. That was the difference in the game. Playoff winning quarterbacks understand this.

I'd love to see your opinion of Dak?

 

[kskboys]

But when it mattered he brought the 'A game'. Whilst he lost, there's no ingrained issue as to why (unlike some people we know), similar to QB's getting beaten in a shoot out vrs Mahomes, where he has the last bullet.....not all 'failures' are the same.

No he didn't. The entire game mattered, and he turned the ball over. Are you forgetting that his fumble produced a BUFF TD?

 

[kskboys]

I'd love to see your opinion of Dak?

Please no. We have a nice discussion going on, what in the world makes you bring that up?

 

[CowboyoWales]

No he didn't. The entire game mattered, and he turned the ball over. Are you forgetting that his fumble produced a BUFF TD?

No he didn't what? Didn't he get them to a pass away from winning, hardly the most difficult catch for Andrews to haul in?

 

[Chasing6]

This is true, but the frank acceptance has to be that we have neither LINES and it's near impossible to improve those lines, especially IN THE LIFETIME of the contract (which should not be mentioned). If we're looking for improvement, strengthen both lines first (Stanley and Robinson in FA....granted extremely expensive, but there's little in the draft and it helps the whole O/Line that will need a top veteran), the draft is strong in IDL (McClay will need help in evaluation).
What the Commanders have is a strong D/Line that (as per Quinn Defenses) doesnt over extend to stop the run, but have the strong IDL which they dont have to overcomit the LB/S to stop the run. It's the 49ers scheme of stopping the run, with minimum manpower, to flood the secondary....whereas as we know, we need to plug every running gap.

Jerry had the opportunity to draft O'Cyrus Torrence and passed for Schoonmaker. His lack of building a dominant O or D Line has nothing to do with the salary cap and everything to do with his lack of understanding of how to build a complimentary football team.

 

[Chasing6]

Jerry had the opportunity to draft O'Cyrus Torrence and passed for Schoonmaker. His lack of building a dominant O or D Line has nothing to do with the salary cap and everything to do with his lack of understanding of how to build a complimentary football team.

QB, WR and RB are a dependent on the OLine regardless of how much you pay them. They can not overcome this deficiency.

CB, Safety, LB are also dependent on the DLine, regardless of how much you pay them.

How many LB's careers have ended early due to injury in Dallas?

 

[MyFairLady]

But look at Lamars beautiful stats yum yum yum. Aren't those stats just so amazing? Don't you go to bed at night dreaming about having a QB with stats like that? Boring old Josh Allen and his boring old championship game appearances. No body cares about that do they? I mean just look at those amazing stats.

 

[kskboys]

No he didn't what? Didn't he get them to a pass away from winning, hardly the most difficult catch for Andrews to haul in?

Didn't bring the A game. And the pass was not a good pass, being way behind the receiver. Yes, he should've caught it, but it was a very difficult pass to catch.

He gave BUFF a score just a bit before w/ a horrible fumble due to poor ball handling. And stopped handing the ball off to Henry, whom BUFF had been unable to stop all day. More like he switched to a C game.

 

[kskboys]

QB, WR and RB are a dependent on the OLine regardless of how much you pay them. They can not overcome this deficiency.

CB, Safety, LB are also dependent on the DLine, regardless of how much you pay them.

How many LB's careers have ended early due to injury in Dallas?

Yup. Jerry puts his LB's in a horrific predicament, by lining up a poor DLine which gives the ball carriers a full speed run at the LB's. It's sick.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Didn't bring the A game. And the pass was not a good pass, being way behind the receiver. Yes, he should've caught it, but it was a very difficult pass to catch.

He gave BUFF a score just a bit before w/ a horrible fumble due to poor ball handling. And stopped handing the ball off to Henry, whom BUFF had been unable to stop all day. More like he switched to a C game.

You're a hard task master if you think that wasn't a good pass, I thought it was on the numbers.
As for moving away from the run, yep that was unusual, unless they feared a ball being hit out of hards like Andrews other turnover (I doubt Henry was gassed).