You don't need elite QB play to win playoff games

[BoysForLife]

If you don't "need" elite QB play, why exactly are we paying wak Prescott 60M a year if Rush or any other rethread can step in and "win" in the playoffs? Why?! This was obviously an apologist thread but they don't realize this star proves how expandable Dak is and how foolish it was to pay him top dollar

 

[baltcowboy]

I don’t know if the OP is trying to defend Dak or not but if you pay the quarterback the largest salary in NFL history the expectation is that he will overcome a bad offensive line, average running back, defensive issues, and lack of weapons. I feel the same way about Kyler, Lamar, Herbert, and Burrow. They got top salaries and failed to win anything. You want these big salaries you need to win not just have great stats.

 

[BoysForLife]

But you do need a QB who does not look like a deer in the headlights in the playoffs.

Dak freezes up in the biggest of moments ....... none of these guys did.

I cannot imagine how bad dak would have played in philly today.

 

[BoysForLife]

"If I'm going to have a low IQ QB then I want that QB to also be an immobile statue" - Dak fans.

 

[Blitzen]

I am not sure if those really matter in big scheme of things.

the defenses specially the DLs made huge difference for the winning teams.turnovers are key in a lot of these games

commanders had 4 Ints, mostly because of pressure they brough with their DL
Lamar had an interception vs. Allan who had none.
Rams had untimely fumbles that set up scores
Chiefs defense has been stout all year, as chiefs never scored more than 30 (only two games) in any game and they are 16-2.

in the playoffs, its about defense. whose defense can hold up.

Washington gave up 31 points but scored 45. Sometimes you have to out offense the opponent’s offense. Turnovers only help if the team getting them scores afterwards. See what happens when Justin Fields was QB for Pitt in a game where they overwhelmingly won the turnover battle versus Dallas.

It takes complimentary football to win lots in the postseason. Both offense and defense must consistently play well throughout the game.

 

[Blitzen]

No turn-overs is the measure in the playoffs...and where the Cowboys have failed in the playoffs to now.

No turnovers is how you begin to be a winning team. Scoring TDs when you must is how you build a champion.

 

[kskboys]

I don’t know if the OP is trying to defend Dak or not but if you pay the quarterback the largest salary in NFL history the expectation is that he will overcome a bad offensive line, average running back, defensive issues, and lack of weapons. I feel the same way about Kyler, Lamar, Herbert, and Burrow. They got top salaries and failed to win anything. You want these big salaries you need to win not just have great stats.

No QB has won a super bowl w/o either a great OL or a great Dline. Most times it's both, but you absolutely have to have it. A disruptive DLine is the most important ingredient to super bowl contention.

 

[kskboys]

The one outlier this makes me think of is the SB that the Steelers won over the Seahawks. Roethlessberger had a passer rating under 25 and 2 Ints and zero TDs.........of course the Seahawks were called for twice as many penalties. Shocker

Both that game and the ARI/PITT game were heavily influenced by the refs.

 

[kskboys]

That game was blatantly given to the Squealers.

And the NFL is just now starting to get called on it. I think the NO/MINNY debacle played a huge part in waking people up. And now these pickly little calls for Mahomes, just too obvious.

 

[baltcowboy]

No QB has won a super bowl w/o either a great OL or a great Dline. Most times it's both, but you absolutely have to have it. A disruptive DLine is the most important ingredient to super bowl contention.

I hear you. Lamar has had a great defensive line and offensive line since he got to Baltimore. He can’t make it to the Bowl. Lamar has to take some responsibility for that. Dak had his chances as well. These guys get paid big money to win.

 

[Reid1boys]

Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR	RTG
Mahomes	16/25	177	7.1	1	0	66.3	98.2
Hurts	15/20	128	6.4	0	0	49.4	91.2
Lamar	18/25	254	10.2	2	1
Allen	16/22	127	5.8	0	0

are you kidding me???? smh

 

[kskboys]

I hear you. Lamar has had a great defensive line and offensive line since he got to Baltimore. He can’t make it to the Bowl. Lamar has to take some responsibility for that. Dak had his chances as well. These guys get paid big money to win.

Well, therein lies the problem w/ running QBs, the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss: They are prone to TOs. All of them, not just Lamar.

Does anyone even remember that the team record of Vick's last 2 seasons in ATL was 8-8 and 7-9? That's generally what running QBs lead you to, mediocrity.

 

[baltcowboy]

Well, therein lies the problem w/ running QBs, the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss: They are prone to TOs. All of them, not just Lamar.

Does anyone even remember that the team record of Vick's last 2 seasons in ATL was 8-8 and 7-9? That's generally what running QBs lead you to, mediocrity.

The irony is that every quarterback that’s left is a mobile quarterback. The game has changed you have to have some mobility and a running quarterback seems to be able to win games.

 

[Chasing6]

Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR	RTG
Mahomes	16/25	177	7.1	1	0	66.3	98.2
Hurts	15/20	128	6.4	0	0	49.4	91.2
Lamar	18/25	254	10.2	2	1
Allen	16/22	127	5.8	0	0

Just need to be dominant in the trenches. Especially in cold weather.

 

[Redline360]

It was only shortly ago that "running" quarterbacks would never win you anything and we're more of a year or two gimmick before injuries wore them down. Pure pocket passers were the key.

However times have changed especially with the additional quarterback protection rules. Now it's slowly becoming the rein of "mobile" quarterbacks that dominate the post season. Granted there's always exceptions like Burrow, Stafford and etc.

 

[plasticman]

When was the last time a non-elite QB won a Super Bowl?

Looking at the Super Bowl history, if you don't have an elite QB then you better have the #1 defense.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I hear you. Lamar has had a great defensive line and offensive line since he got to Baltimore. He can’t make it to the Bowl. Lamar has to take some responsibility for that. Dak had his chances as well. These guys get paid big money to win.

I mostly agree, however, lets be fair to Lamar, what could he off done differently in that last drive vrs Bills?

 

[CowboyoWales]

When was the last time a non-elite QB won a Super Bowl?

Looking at the Super Bowl history, if you don't have an elite QB then you better have the #1 defense.

Yes, so we can rephrase the point..."if you dont have one of the best 3 QB's in history, you need strong/dominant O and D Lines".

 

[CowboyoWales]

No QB has won a super bowl w/o either a great OL or a great Dline. Most times it's both, but you absolutely have to have it. A disruptive DLine is the most important ingredient to super bowl contention.

This is true, but the frank acceptance has to be that we have neither LINES and it's near impossible to improve those lines, especially IN THE LIFETIME of the contract (which should not be mentioned). If we're looking for improvement, strengthen both lines first (Stanley and Robinson in FA....granted extremely expensive, but there's little in the draft and it helps the whole O/Line that will need a top veteran), the draft is strong in IDL (McClay will need help in evaluation).
What the Commanders have is a strong D/Line that (as per Quinn Defenses) doesnt over extend to stop the run, but have the strong IDL which they dont have to overcomit the LB/S to stop the run. It's the 49ers scheme of stopping the run, with minimum manpower, to flood the secondary....whereas as we know, we need to plug every running gap.

 

[Smith22]

but Lamar is the best in scrambling, yet his team lost.
Stroud Rushed for 42, but his team lost

IMHO, the difference was defenses. whose DL played better.

And turnovers.