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As long as he gets positive yards that's all you can ask from a back. Do you really expect him to get the first down on 3rd and very long? They may not get you a first, but they're still positive yards.

ok bro, you made have to go and get all logical on you, so here goes. Offensive football is about winning first down. Far too many times last year, JJ slammed into the guards butt for a 1 yard gain, so we had to pass on 2nd down to set up a decent down and distance on 3rd. Bledsoe would take a sack and it would be 3rd and 17. Now....on 3rd and 17, NFL Ds tee off on the QB, they bring the pass rush from the front four and drop off into deep zones with everyone else forcing a short throw and punt. What the Boys do more often than not in these situations is run a draw play that is 95% guaranteed to get you 5 yards with any RB in the NFL. Now, JJ makes a guy or two miss and gets 9 yards. Those yards do very very little for a team...might help with field position.....a little. Jackson on the other hand, was either A. Running on 1st down into an 8 man front for 4 yards (ill take those 4 yards over JJs 9 alllllll day) or B. Running into a 9 man front at the end of the game trying to kill the clock. Which seriously skews his yardage totals.

The thing with your second comment is his youth. If you watch his first season he's dancing away from players in the backfield and skirting all around the field. After his first year Bill got in his head and told him to hit the hole. He programed him to hit the hole even if it isn't there. Him doing that is as much Parcells programming him as it is Julius.

I know he is overcoached, Im well aware of it in fact. I point it out all the time to bar patrons who try to convince me JJ is the second coming of Payton, Smith, Sanders or whoever. Im really not interested in excuses. Rule #76 No excuses, play like a champion. I dont care what his reason for slamming into the guards rear end is, hes never going to be a quality back until he stops.

Watch him this year and we'll see what Julius has learned. He knows not to dance outside the line on every play, and he knows how to find the hole. Once he's able to merge his natural instincts with parcell's teaching, we should have a really good back.

As I said in the previous post, he was still doing it in the preseason game. I have it tivo-ed and have watched it about 5 times...there difference between him and barber was night and day, barber knifed into little gaps for small yardage, JJ slammed into the backs of blockers for no yardage.

Lastly, someone said on this board a few days back. "I have a sneaking suspiscion that JJ is a very very good 3rd down back who is being miscast" I couldnt agree more, he is a fine back in alot of ways. However, he goes down on first contact and gets injured far too often to be much more than that
 

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EY , WHAT DO U WANT ME TO DO ? I AGREE WITH HIM . I HATE TUNA . I HATE T.O.

Bill- 2 superbowl rings
Owens- top WR in the league.

You hating them has nothing to do with the success of the team.

FEEL LIKE WERE WATCHING THE JETS . IF ANYONES OVERRATED ITS HIM . IM SICK OF HIS BALL CONTROL BORING STYLE OF PLAY .

Whether you enjoy watching the game or not is irrelavant.

I DONT THINK JULIUS IS BAD HES JUS COACHED WRONG . I KNOW FOR CERTAIN HES CHANGED HIS RUN STYLE BECAUSE OF FAT BOY . HES GOT THE RUNNERS TRAINED TO KEEP THE PLAY INSIDE IF ITS CALLED INSIDE INSTEAD OF BREAKING IT LIKE JULIOUS IS USED TO .

Julius avg'd only .03 less yrds/carry last year than his rookie year, I don't think bill parcells screwed him up last year. Watch him this year when he's able to incorperate both running inside and bouncing outside.

SCREW PARCELLS I CANT WAIT TIL HES GONE . IF YOU DONT AGREE I COULD CARE LESS . PARCELLS IS WAY OVERRATED . IF LT NEVER CAME INTO HIS LIFE HE WOULD BE JUS ANOTHER FAT UNEMPLOYED EX-FOOTBALL COACH .

I really think you're on to somthing. His weight = coaching credebility. Good luck with that thought.:lmao:

The fact is this team is in a much better place than when he took it over. We have much better personel, we went to the playoffs, and we have our best chance of winning a superbowl since the early 90s. I think Parcells has done a pretty good job. You have to consider the state of the team when he took it over. Campo screwed the personel up pretty bad.

WE WILL NOTTTTTTTTTT WIN A SUPERBOWL AS LONG AS FATBOY IS COACHING .

I'm glad god is here. While you're at it can you give me the lotto numbers?
 

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Connection20 said:
Lastly, someone said on this board a few days back. "I have a sneaking suspiscion that JJ is a very very good 3rd down back who is being miscast" I couldnt agree more, he is a fine back in alot of ways. However, he goes down on first contact and gets injured far too often to be much more than that

I don't see it. On 1st and 2nd downs you need a guy that can take it to the house, Jones has the ability to do that.

On 3rd you want a guy that can pass block and go out and catch the ball out of the backfield. Barber is much better at that.


I think we're fine the way we have things. Just wait for this season. Let's play a game before cowboy fans start proclaiming the sky is in fact falling.
 

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Never said the sky was falling just for the record. Im more excited about this team than any Cowboys team in a long long time. I love what Parcells and Jones have done for the team. I think we have a chance to be a very good team this year. I just believe that it will be with Barber getting the bulk of the carries.
 

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EMMITSWIFT said:
EY , WHAT DO U WANT ME TO DO ? I AGREE WITH HIM . I HATE TUNA . I HATE T.O. I FEEL LIKE WERE WATCHING THE JETS . IF ANYONES OVERRATED ITS HIM . IM SICK OF HIS BALL CONTROL BORING STYLE OF PLAY . I DONT THINK JULIUS IS BAD HES JUS COACHED WRONG . I KNOW FOR CERTAIN HES CHANGED HIS RUN STYLE BECAUSE OF FAT BOY . HES GOT THE RUNNERS TRAINED TO KEEP THE PLAY INSIDE IF ITS CALLED INSIDE INSTEAD OF BREAKING IT LIKE JULIOUS IS USED TO . SCREW PARCELLS I CANT WAIT TIL HES GONE . IF YOU DONT AGREE I COULD CARE LESS . PARCELLS IS WAY OVERRATED . IF LT NEVER CAME INTO HIS LIFE HE WOULD BE JUS ANOTHER FAT UNEMPLOYED EX-FOOTBALL COACH . WE WILL NOTTTTTTTTTT WIN A SUPERBOWL AS LONG AS FATBOY IS COACHING .



LOL!! Maybe you should climb off Emmitt's wood for a minute and collect your bearings. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


Tuna kicked Emmitt to the curb, just like Jerry did to Landry and Schramm. Sorry that hurts your little heart, but showing it makes you look stupid and weak. Grow a pair little man.
 

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Connection20 said:
Never said the sky was falling just for the record. Im more excited about this team than any Cowboys team in a long long time. I love what Parcells and Jones have done for the team. I think we have a chance to be a very good team this year. I just believe that it will be with Barber getting the bulk of the carries.

I don't think so. If Julius can stay healthy (and he's had pretty serious injuries) then he's one of the best backs in the league. He gives us that home run threat that Barber just doesn't have.

I don't think Barber's proven anything either.

304 yds agaisnt KC, Seattle, and Arizona (4.8 yds/carry)

but 234 yds in the other 8 games he played (3.3 yds/carry)

He has to be more consistant. Nothing that shows me he can be "the guy" for a whole season. I still think when healthy Julius gives us the best chance to win.
 

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I don't think so. If Julius can stay healthy (and he's had pretty serious injuries) then he's one of the best backs in the league. He gives us that home run threat that Barber just doesn't have.

I don't think Barber's proven anything either.

304 yds agaisnt KC, Seattle, and Arizona (4.8 yds/carry)

but 234 yds in the other 8 games he played (3.3 yds/carry)

He has to be more consistant. Nothing that shows me he can be "the guy" for a whole season. I still think when healthy Julius gives us the best chance to win.

Ehhhh, I still think Julius gives us the best chance to be sitting at 2nd and 9 most of the season. And with Bledsoes fantastic propensity to get sacked, the rest of the season will be spent at 3rd and 17.

Super Bowl winning starting RBs the last few years. Jerome Bettis (not taking anything the distance)
Corey Dillon (not a home run threat, but will get you 4 yards on 1st down)
Kevin Faulk? (not exactly a break away threat)
Dont even ask me to remember who the Buccs starter was....Thomas Jones? (not a break away back)


Bro, I know somehow you have been convinced that the ability to take it the distance makes you a great back, or makes you a great offense.

Again, I will say...and by the way, this is FACT.....Offensive football is about winning first down (getting 4 or more yards) Not about seeing if you can score on first down every drive with some RB who runs a 4.3 but has no vision, patience, or power. <--- not saying thats JJ btw. Stop focusing on what JJ might be able to do for us, and focus on how much his inablity to get yards on first down is killing the offense
 

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You can make the case that -

- Hiring Parcells has been a complete bust - nothing has changed in the Win column

- Drafting Julius Jones was foolish - not to mention trading down and passing on some big backs.



- Giving a 9 million Dollar Check to Marco Rivera is as bad as it's ever gotten

I have to agree with a few of the negatives you posted.

BP has turned this roster into a talented bunch, but what have we done with it? We fade down the stretch every year.

This team is still in need of an every down dependable Running back. Julius needs to either put up, or shut up this year.

Rivera hasn't earned his money yet, I'm hoping last year was lingering effects of his injured back.

This team still has holes to fill, while I know you can't do that over night, it's been 3 years now going on four.....

O-line is as bad as it was 3 years ago, and it took BP 2 years to figure out that he needed to adress the FS position.

BP is a bust here until we win a playoff game, imo......I mean, Joe Gibbs got one in his second year back.
 

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Ehhhh, I still think Julius gives us the best chance to be sitting at 2nd and 9 most of the season. And with Bledsoes fantastic propensity to get sacked, the rest of the season will be spent at 3rd and 17.

I still say wait until the season starts. Neither of us have any idea how the line will play this season, or how drew will play. Too many variables.

Plus even last year Jones avg'd 3.9 yds/carry, so we'd atleast be starting at 2nd and 6.

Super Bowl winning starting RBs the last few years. Jerome Bettis (not taking anything the distance)
Corey Dillon (not a home run threat, but will get you 4 yards on 1st down)
Kevin Faulk? (not exactly a break away threat)
Dont even ask me to remember who the Buccs starter was....Thomas Jones? (not a break away back)

Wrong.

Willie Parker was the starter for pittsburgh last year in the playoffs. You're not going to tell me he's not a HR threat. If you do you didn't watch the superbowl.

Corey Dillon had his 2nd best year for yards/carry in 2004, and had his third best season with runs of 20+ yrds. He was also 5th in the league for runs of 20+ yrds.

Antowain Smith wasn't a very good RB at all.

Michael Pittman is an average RB. This team was based off good defense, the offense didn't do much.

Bro, I know somehow you have been convinced that the ability to take it the distance makes you a great back, or makes you a great offense.

No that's not what I think. How about production. How about consistancy. Barber has good production in three games, but wasn't as consistant as Julius.

Julis avg's 4 yrds/carry
Barber avg's 3.9 yds/carry

I don't see where you say Barber is much better, and all julius does is run into the center's butt.

Again, I will say...and by the way, this is FACT.....Offensive football is about winning first down (getting 4 or more yards) Not about seeing if you can score on first down every drive with some RB who runs a 4.3 but has no vision, patience, or power. <--- not saying thats JJ btw. Stop focusing on what JJ might be able to do for us, and focus on how much his inablity to get yards on first down is killing the offense

Julius avg's 4 yrds/carry. Can't tell you what his numbers are on first down, but if you're looking for 4 yards, he's able to give it to you.
 

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The only time Martz ran the ball was in the 4th with a lead when teams were loaded up against the run.

I like S. Jax as much as anyone here... I was seriously disappointed when the Cowboys passed on him. With that being said, I prefer facts over impulsive responses. (I'm basing this on last year because its most recent and Jax was the starter)

http://img208.*************/img208/8493/jax1jm4.jpg

35 less carries in the 4th than the first.

Julius and S Jax actually had very comparable rushing numbers in the 4th Q...

Jax: 50 att for 205 yards (2 TD)
Jones: 52 att for 211 yards (1 TD)

For whatever it's worth (not much)... last season, Julius raised his ypc 0.6 from the first half, 139 att for 3.6 ypc, to second half, 118 att for 4.2 ypc. He was a better 2nd half back than 1st half (which goes against a theory of teams loading up to stop the run when the offense is killing the clock). Jax was a worse 2nd half runner, 143 att with 4.2 ypc, than first half runner, 111 att for 4.0 ypc. I've always heard that bigger backs get stronger as the game goes on. Jax is 6'2", 231 lbs acc. to espn, while Julius is 5'10", 205 lbs. Without looking at the stats, you would think Jax would be a better second half back than Julius.
 

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Again, I will say...and by the way, this is FACT.....Offensive football is about winning first down (getting 4 or more yards) Not about seeing if you can score on first down every drive with some RB who runs a 4.3 but has no vision, patience, or power. <--- not saying thats JJ btw. Stop focusing on what JJ might be able to do for us, and focus on how much his inablity to get yards on first down is killing the offense

I'll agree with you on this, somewhat. I wish Julius was a better 1st down back. For his first 2 years, he has not produced very well on 1st down, which is a fact. However, I'm not ready to pin that all on Julius with the shady o-line he's running behind. Maybe they don't block as well on 1st down when the D knows Parcells likes to run on 1st. And that is my opinion.
 

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I don't think so. If Julius can stay healthy (and he's had pretty serious injuries) then he's one of the best backs in the league. He gives us that home run threat that Barber just doesn't have.

I don't think Barber's proven anything either.

304 yds agaisnt KC, Seattle, and Arizona (4.8 yds/carry)

but 234 yds in the other 8 games he played (3.3 yds/carry)

He has to be more consistant. Nothing that shows me he can be "the guy" for a whole season. I still think when healthy Julius gives us the best chance to win.
Dude you're still talking about this? we buried you on this topic 20 posts ago...get out and get some air - you're making a mockery of yourself...
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I have to agree with a few of the negatives you posted.

BP has turned this roster into a talented bunch, but what have we done with it? We fade down the stretch every year.

This team is still in need of an every down dependable Running back. Julius needs to either put up, or shut up this year.

Rivera hasn't earned his money yet, I'm hoping last year was lingering effects of his injured back.

This team still has holes to fill, while I know you can't do that over night, it's been 3 years now going on four.....

O-line is as bad as it was 3 years ago, and it took BP 2 years to figure out that he needed to adress the FS position.

BP is a bust here until we win a playoff game, imo......I mean, Joe Gibbs got one in his second year back.
VERY WELL SAID!!!! :starspin

9 mill to Rivera!:banghead:

50 Sacks Against and we don't draft an OL - as well as cuting LA NO SENSE!:banghead:

We bring the slowest man on earth to play behind an OL full of Stiffs...:mad:
 
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