You know - if you're really objective about the Cowboys

X-Dawg said:
- Drafting Julius Jones was foolish - not to mention trading down and passing on some big backs.


Career yards-

Julius- 1812
Steven Jackson- 1719

Career TDs-

Julius- 12
Jackson- 12

Career starts-

Julius- 19
Jackson- 18

career yards/game-

Julius- 86.2
Jackson- 59.2

.....then throw in Marcus Spears

I'd say we got the better end of that deal. And I'm sure you wern't comparing him to Kevin Jones.
 
Big Dakota said:
Hey xdog, what did those bums named Landry and Schramm do their last 5 years? 6 games under .500 and just as bad a draft record as Jerry ever had. Just because things haven't gone our(i say our for the real Cowboys fans) way for quite a few years, doesn't mean Jerry and Bill aren't trying. Ya know, sometimes even when you care, and try your best, things don't go your way.


OBTW Yankees fans bag on ARod, doesn't make him bad. Bagging on Roy really takes the preception of your football I.Q. down a long ways. FYI
I admire JJ trying but if you keep banging your head into a wall and it hurts - you stop...right? So if you keep pretending to be a football man - a GM and you keeping making a fool of yourself - you stop and hire a GM - right? not in JJ's case ...

I didn't bag Roy - I described what he is and is not - he's a VERY good tackler and big hitter but he is a brutal cover man....and he's been burned badly in big Spots ...
 
X-Dawg said:
JJ basically had another subpar cast to choose from so he tracked down BP and paid the man the highest salary ever....Nobody BIG wanted this job - can ya blame em'? You got Dave Campo in a wet suit - swimming with Dolphins while HBO films Jerry Jones cutting every player he can ....
Sheer Lunacy ...

Nobody BIG wanted this job

Who are these BIG people? And when did anyone of them say they did not want the job?

You say that JJ had a subpar cast to choose from and then say nobody "BIG" wanted the job. Does not make sense to me.
 
J.Jones21 said:
By far not the biggest contract ever given a coach man get your facts strait.

I think the biggest contract given to a coach at that time was to Rick Neuhisel by Washington State. But i wont state that as fact because im not sure. i just know it wasn't given to Parcells
Sources close to both men said Parcells answered by telling the Cowboys owner to "throw out Spurrier's contract" -- $5 million annually -- and just basically pay him the average of the top five highest-paid coaches in the NFL. Jones said that was fair.
 
gbrittain said:
Who are these BIG people? And when did anyone of them say they did not want the job?

You say that JJ had a subpar cast to choose from and then say nobody "BIG" wanted the job. Does not make sense to me.
Dennis Green woudl have take it is all
 
from Andrew Perloff www.SI.com - for the Roy Lovers

Cowboys' Williams Overrated


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Cowboys safety Roy Williams is one of the most overrated defensive players in the NFL. Calling the two-time Pro Bowler overrated has been fashionable of late, but it was more clear than ever during Monday night's 14-13 loss to the Commanders.

ABC announcers John Madden and Al Michaels were too busy working on Williams' Hall of Fame induction speech to notice Dallas' hold on the game was slipping late in the fourth quarter. The announcers were justifiably awed by Williams' sack of Commanders quarterback Mark Brunell. But I think Williams buys into the hype about his ability to make big plays (read: big hits) and doesn't concentrate on being a defensive back and play cautious when he has to. Out of desperation late in the game, the Commanders started taking shots downfield and their receivers were getting behind Williams and the Cowboys' defenders, who clearly didn't think Brunell could beat them deep.

With just over four minutes left, Brunell lofted a bomb downfield to Taylor Jacobs that Williams knocked down in the end zone. Madden and Michaels went nuts over the play, until they realized the ball went right through Williams' hands and could have easily been picked off. You can't criticize Williams for not getting the interception, but you have to rip him for letting Santana Moss beat him for 39- and 70-yard touchdowns in the final minutes of the game even though the Cowboys were in prevent mode.

This season has been a showcase for elite safeties. Troy Polamalu, Mike Brown and Brian Dawkins have all had tremendous starts, and Ed Reed and Rodney Harrison continue to play at a high level. The difference between this group and Williams is they excel in every facet of the position. They can all cover as well as they rush the quarterback and deliver big hits on running backs. Williams isn't even an average cover safety.

There's nothing wrong with not being a perfect player. But Williams is considered the face of the Cowboys' young defense, and he'll probably be named to the Pro Bowl annually. He's a ferocious blitzer and he can change games with his hitting ability. The question is does he help the Cowboys win week in and week out? No matter what Michaels and Madden say, the answer is no.
 
Let me just preface by saying that in alot of ways I agree with you, I am one of the few huge cowboys fans but at the same time non-homers that preside on these boards. However, you take this stuff a little too far.


X-Dawg said:
You can make the case that -

- Hiring Parcells has been a complete bust - nothing has changed in the Win column

ummmmmmm, no. The win column has changed, and I know we havent won a playoff game yet but Parcells brought along Ireland who has put together two fantastic drafts. And for the first time in a long time I think we might be in the top 10 in the league in sacks, Parcells puts an emphasis on pass rush which for some reason teh idiots behind him ignored.

- Drafting Julius Jones was foolish - not to mention trading down and passing on some big backs.

Agree 100% Jones is not that great, he shows flashes but thats it. Now hes overcoached and looks worse than he did his rookie year

- Signing TO may be a the worst move the franchise has made since it passed on Moss

Too early too tell...it "may" be, but it also "may" be a move that leads to another Cowboys super bowl ring.

- Holding onto Greg Ellis all this time was a complete waste

This is just nonsense, regardless of how many sacks hes produced over the years (on some pretty terrible D-lines btw) hes still a valuable addition to the team who still goes out there and proves that fact every game. You can never have enough "pressure players"

- Drafting Roy Williams - a guy we all wish was better than he is - who has yet to take games over like he did at the "O" - a guy who is basically a ONE dimensional Football player - was a terrible move and was taken way too high.

You start with a good point but then take it too far. RW is not even close to being as good as people on these boards would like to think. I still contend that hes the 3rd best safety in his division, and the 7th or 8th best in the league. It was not however a terrible move to draft him, hes still a very good player and someone I would want on my team anyday.

- Jerry Jones since his last SB win is one of Pro Sports worst owners...his teams have stunk - the playoffs have evaporated and he had to pay thru the nose to get a REAL coach like BP in here....b/c he scared people off with Gailey & Campo - nobody wanted he job.

This is just stupid, Pro sports worst owner???? Gimme a break bro, the worst owners in sports are the owners in baseball who dont even attempt to field a competitive team just to make more money. The worst owners in sports are the Bidwells and Browns of the world. Jerry has learned over the years and has FINALLY stepped back and let the football people handle the football. This team is in fat better shape than its been in for about the last 10 years. Quality roster, great cap condition, young players locked up. I give credit to the man who saw somethign wasnt working and pinned it on himself, and then fixed the problem.

- Giving Vanderjagt a 3 million dollar bonus may be the siliest thing ever done

Again, just dumb, let the man miss some kicks that count before we start on this.

- Ware over Merriman is looking bad b/c now even the guy who took him said he lacks "mean" spirit - not good.

Ok, lets forget about Seau here....Ware is a beast, and does every aspect of the ROLB job very well and getting better at it all, all the time. Merriman can rush teh passer relentlessly, but dont ask him to cover someone or take on a lead block, shed it then make the tackle. Ware will be fine regardless of his spirit. Both are great players and arguing over the two is pure semantics

- Giving a 9 million Dollar Check to Marco Rivera is as bad as it's ever gotten

Ehhh, it was pretty bad...however in all fairness, we desperately needed OL help, we tried to get the better of the two, he didnt wanna come here. WE signed what was for years a great guard, how were we to know he would need back sugery?

- Drafting a LB and TE with our 1st two picks was borderline self sabotage and makes no sense when looking at the long run.

This is nonsensical as well. Carp is gonna be a very very good player for this team, Im thinking by week 6 or so the starting LBers for the nickel team are gonna be Burnett and Carp because of coverage skills. Like others have said, lets let Fasano show what he can do before calling his drafting self sabatoge

- Signing Drew Bledsow has caused nothing but headaches...

hahah, yeah, I hate Bledsoe with a passion, throw the freakin ball away jerk off, move around....something man, stop getting sacked all the time. But, again as others have stated, better than Carter and Vinny.
 
Ok.....the two have a connection from long ago when Jones was at Arkansas and Parcells a linebacker coach at Texas Tech (coaching my dad) they knew each other im sure sources can say whatever they want you said he was given the biggest contract ever.....then you said he got the average of the top 5 coaches in the league.

BTW those are two very diffrent things my man

Parcells at the time was one of two coaches in the league with more than one superbowl win so for him to take an average pay equal to that of the top five coaches in the league is more than fair he is by his nature of having more superbowl wins than any other coach at that time a top 5 coach (number 1 or two) in the league.

Your wrong, Your wrong, oh yea Your wrong!
 
X-Dawg said:
Dennis Green woudl have take it is all

You are losing me again. You say Dennis Green would have taken it? If you say yes then your original premise was wrong that no big name coaches would take the job.

If you are saying DG would not have taken the job, could you tell me how you know this?
 
gbrittain said:
You are losing me again. You say Dennis Green would have taken it? If you say yes then your original premise was wrong that no big name coaches would take the job.

If you are saying DG would not have taken the job, could you tell me how you know this?
Green and JJ are buddies and Green was actually "cough cough" interviewed for the job and had to be due to NFL rules on minority coaching interviews....but Green new BP was JJ's man all the way....

No - no Big name coaches were going to leave college for Dallas - NONE.
 
youngbuck said:
Ya I think I'll take the professional scouts opinions that I posted over some writer from SI.
That writer is deadon -and you know it...
 
X-Dawg said:
JJ basically had another subpar cast to choose from so he tracked down BP and paid the man the highest salary ever....Nobody BIG wanted this job - can ya blame em'? You got Dave Campo in a wet suit - swimming with Dolphins while HBO films Jerry Jones cutting every player he can ....
Sheer Lunacy ...

By the way, I am curious. If I posted that every big name coach available after Campo was fired wanted the Cowboy job would you take my word for it or would you want me to back that up with something factual?

Just wondering, because you said you wanted a debate but you have yet to offer one shred of proof.
 
X-Dawg said:
I admire JJ trying but if you keep banging your head into a wall and it hurts - you stop...right? So if you keep pretending to be a football man - a GM and you keeping making a fool of yourself - you stop and hire a GM - right? not in JJ's case ...

I didn't bag Roy - I described what he is and is not - he's a VERY good tackler and big hitter but he is a brutal cover man....and he's been burned badly in big Spots ...


I fully agree Jerry is no "field general GM" but he's a brilliant PR man and Stephen is a brilliant money man. Jerry basically hired a GM in Bill. Bill make most of the personnel decisions. Jerry gets his little CHutches and Hensons and whatever, but Bill builds 95% of this team, along with the scouting dept. I give Jerry credit for turning over SOMEWHAT of a new leaf, as do 99% of the non-haters out there. Most unbiased people without an axe to gring will stand up and admit Bill was a huge aboutface for Jerry and one of the better hires in all of sports since the new millennium. It's hard for a man that is successful as Jerry has been to just change, but he's tried. Let's see how this whole "Bill" thing turns out and how Jerry approaches the next hire.


As far as Roy? Most would agree he's not a great cover man, but i defy you to find a real football man who would describe Roy's coverage ability as "brutal". You might get a few subpars, and maybe quite a few averages, but brutal? i seriously doubt it from NFL scouts and coaches. Overreacting fans? YES.
 
gbrittain said:
By the way, I am curious. If I posted that every big name coach available after Campo was fired wanted the Cowboy job would you take my word for it or would you want me to back that up with something factual?

Just wondering, because you said you wanted a debate but you have yet to offer one shred of proof.
I just did...and in fact after the Gailey debacle - firing a guy after making the playoffs 2 years in a row with an aging - slapped together roster sent waves out across the NFL that the Cowboys job was a bad job. Now that's what I've heard - take it for what you want - but it's pretty obvious.
 
X-Dawg said:
Green and JJ are buddies and Green was actually "cough cough" interviewed for the job and had to be due to NFL rules on minority coaching interviews....but Green new BP was JJ's man all the way....

No - no Big name coaches were going to leave college for Dallas - NONE.

I guess my work is done here. I have asked for one shred of proof over and over and all you can give me back is your opinion.

Green and JJ are buddies and Green was actually "cough cough" interviewed for the job and had to be due to NFL rules on minority coaching interviews....but Green new BP was JJ's man all the way

I am not even sure why you posted the statement above as it has nothing to do with your original premise that no big name coaches wanted the job.
 
Big Dakota said:
I fully agree Jerry is no "field general GM" but he's a brilliant PR man and Stephen is a brilliant money man. Jerry basically hired a GM in Bill. Bill make most of the personnel decisions. Jerry gets his little CHutches and Hensons and whatever, but Bill builds 95% of this team, along with the scouting dept. I give Jerry credit for turning over SOMEWHAT of a new leaf, as do 99% of the non-haters out there. Most unbiased people without an axe to gring will stand up and admit Bill was a huge aboutface for Jerry and one of the better hires in all of sports since the new millennium. It's hard for a man that is successful as Jerry has been to just change, but he's tried. Let's see how this whole "Bill" thing turns out and how Jerry approaches the next hire.


As far as Roy? Most would agree he's not a great cover man, but i defy you to find a real football man who would describe Roy's coverage ability as "brutal". You might get a few subpars, and maybe quite a few averages, but brutal? i seriously doubt it from NFL scouts and coaches. Overreacting fans? YES.
Watching him get burnt by Moss and Shockey was as brutal as it gets...
 
youngbuck said:
I still think I'll trust the opinion of a professional scout over a known cowboy hater.
Oh - I see...the old "Dallas Hater: routine...okay - Gotcha ...
 

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