CFZ You know what annoys me about our FO?

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You know what annoys me about our FO? The way the FO seems to think midseason that everything is fine with our roster. I appreciated the move last year for Hankins and the trades earlier this year for Cooks and Gillmore. I also liked the swap we did with KJ. That said, I think it's mind boggling how the Eagles are able to make the trades that they do with no concern for salary cap, while Jerry and Stephen, for some confusing reason, don't really have this approach. The Eagles see a problem, and they make a move to try to fix it in a trade. Jerry sees a problem, and it's "It should be fine". I think a lot of this saw this roster and knew running back was a key weakness after letting Zeke go. Now, it's looking like a key weakness. Similarly, LB is also a big weakness of ours when it comes to depth. Jerry never seema to realise the problem until it smacks him in the face, and it's too late when that reality check comes.

I do think that our coaching staff and players need to be better. That said, the FO has to be better too. If they keep giving the coaching staff hamburger, then they can't be surprised when they get hamburger results. They need to provide steak every so often. They need to realise that, when there's a key problem that they can fix, then they should do it. There is this thing called a comp pick. I liked what they used to do where they would make late round trades to fill holes, then those players' contracts wouldn't be renewed, then we get the comp pick. It's a nice cycle. It's one the Eagles seem to use. It's a smart system because then you can trade some late round picks knowing you're getting more with comp picks anyway. In other words, Jerry and Stephen need to give McCarthy and Quinn the tools they need to succeed. Yes, McCarthy's playcalling could be better. No doubt. But, has it crossed the minds of the FO that maybe they have something missing?

I'll give an example. McCarthy stated he wanted to run the ball more. Jerry has given him Pollard, Dowdle, Vaughn, and Luepke (who, tbf, Mike hasn't used nearly enough). They do not replace what Zeke did. It's not just that the oline isn't as good as it once was. A rushing style has to be congruent with the style of oline being used. Pollard is not Zeke. Unfortunately, because Jerry hasn't given him a back to do what Zeke was able to do, Mike is having to use Pollard like Zeke. It's like putting a square peg in a round hole. Of course it's not going to work! Why would it be surprising that Pollard isn't as good up the middle as he is on the outside? Guess what? Jerry Jones has a week to fix the problem before the trade deadline. Yet, he makes this comment last week about "we won't initiate a call". Maybe it's a negotiating tactic, but he really should make a few calls. Who knows? He might get some deals on players that we could really use like a LB, RB, or a lineman. Plus, it doesn't always have to take draft picks. We made a good move earlier with Joseph. That was good! But, they did it likely because they couldn't take KJ anymore. It shouldn't come to that to realise that a player should be moved on from. Perhaps there might be players that other teams want that might be expendable for us? Who knows? You never know if you don't shake the tree.
This from the guy who posted a thread complimenting Jerry

This is what happens when straddle the fence, it hurts

I already know that Jerry is a piece of crap and any FO run by him is garbage so i dont end up making idiotic threads on one extreme one day and the other extreme the other day
 

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This from the guy who posted a thread complimenting Jerry

This is what happens when straddle the fence, it hurts

I already know that Jerry is a piece of crap and any FO run by him is garbage so i dont end up making idiotic threads on one extreme one day and the other extreme the other day

I was complimenting the fact that a lot of the team is well built. I was explaining that the entire reason I want a trade is because I think the team is close. What annoys me, like I said, is that he builds a team that's very good, but then doesn't go the extra mile proactively to make sure that the team is actually able to make it to the SB and win the SB. It's not straddling the fence at all. If anything, they compliment each other because, if the team was poorly built, then I wouldn't be demanding that he trade people in. I might ask for players to be traded out, but I have been a lot more bullish on trading players in this year than usual.
 

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I don't know. Let me guess. He's an old guy who is remembering his Al Bundy day playing football thinking he knows football.
He's scared to take chances on the team for fear of losing revenue? Which is crazy. He can lease the building for all kinds of crap. Music, auto events, rodeos, or any other bs junk.
He just wants to be relevant and for people to think he's a football genius. Which nobody does? shrugs, it is what it is.
 

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Name those players that Jerry "bought" for Jimmy.
Every player added to roster was signed off for by Jerry Jones. All and that was by contract at that. He pushed the Herchel Walker deal on through because he wasn't going to make payment of his salary and other pickups instead. Trades from there made the Jimmy Johnson team and gave Jimmy enough room to make a handful of mistakes as well.

As to a list of players drafted under Jerry:

Andre Gurode
Eric Williams
Leon Lett
Flozell Adams
Jason Witten
Demarcus Ware
Darren Woodson
Larry Allen
Troy Aikman
Emmitt Smith

We'll see now, where Lamb and Parsons fit in...
 

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You know what annoys me about our FO? The way the FO seems to think midseason that everything is fine with our roster. I appreciated the move last year for Hankins and the trades earlier this year for Cooks and Gillmore. I also liked the swap we did with KJ. That said, I think it's mind boggling how the Eagles are able to make the trades that they do with no concern for salary cap, while Jerry and Stephen, for some confusing reason, don't really have this approach. The Eagles see a problem, and they make a move to try to fix it in a trade. Jerry sees a problem, and it's "It should be fine". I think a lot of this saw this roster and knew running back was a key weakness after letting Zeke go. Now, it's looking like a key weakness. Similarly, LB is also a big weakness of ours when it comes to depth. Jerry never seema to realise the problem until it smacks him in the face, and it's too late when that reality check comes.

I do think that our coaching staff and players need to be better. That said, the FO has to be better too. If they keep giving the coaching staff hamburger, then they can't be surprised when they get hamburger results. They need to provide steak every so often. They need to realise that, when there's a key problem that they can fix, then they should do it. There is this thing called a comp pick. I liked what they used to do where they would make late round trades to fill holes, then those players' contracts wouldn't be renewed, then we get the comp pick. It's a nice cycle. It's one the Eagles seem to use. It's a smart system because then you can trade some late round picks knowing you're getting more with comp picks anyway. In other words, Jerry and Stephen need to give McCarthy and Quinn the tools they need to succeed. Yes, McCarthy's playcalling could be better. No doubt. But, has it crossed the minds of the FO that maybe they have something missing?

I'll give an example. McCarthy stated he wanted to run the ball more. Jerry has given him Pollard, Dowdle, Vaughn, and Luepke (who, tbf, Mike hasn't used nearly enough). They do not replace what Zeke did. It's not just that the oline isn't as good as it once was. A rushing style has to be congruent with the style of oline being used. Pollard is not Zeke. Unfortunately, because Jerry hasn't given him a back to do what Zeke was able to do, Mike is having to use Pollard like Zeke. It's like putting a square peg in a round hole. Of course it's not going to work! Why would it be surprising that Pollard isn't as good up the middle as he is on the outside? Guess what? Jerry Jones has a week to fix the problem before the trade deadline. Yet, he makes this comment last week about "we won't initiate a call". Maybe it's a negotiating tactic, but he really should make a few calls. Who knows? He might get some deals on players that we could really use like a LB, RB, or a lineman. Plus, it doesn't always have to take draft picks. We made a good move earlier with Joseph. That was good! But, they did it likely because they couldn't take KJ anymore. It shouldn't come to that to realise that a player should be moved on from. Perhaps there might be players that other teams want that might be expendable for us? Who knows? You never know if you don't shake the tree.
The list of things the FO does that do not annoy me are much shorter than the ones that do. :muttley:
Dallas seems to have gotten back to Garrett style offense. That any player can pull off power running attacks and pocket passing. KM playbook was over the top and ignored the running game. MMc isn't utilizing the running game well enough.
In the past, the FO pulled the trigger on trades that were complete stinkers. At least we don't see that much any more.
 

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Those all involved talent evaluations as to where they were in production on the Cowboys and directions involving future use of cap money NOT what was done to get to the last two strongly winning seasons.

The Cowboys have long supported it's own players. Jimmy Johnson was the only Jerry Jones Head Coach who would sell is soul for his own centered glory. Not those around him beyond running them into the dirt. Jerry was able to buy him his players and then the Cap Era changed that.

Don't like that, pick a team with tricksters or that stays with players always moveable as was Cooper.

Only one that doesn't truly watch cap vs player developments would compare managers to past periods and cap figure that were then applicable.

Now, involves the years that McCarthy has been in control of the team...but Jerry still rewards his own players. I respect that but also don't think what was brought into organization the past three seasons are deficit as to intelligence, experience, leadership, or player evaluations. McCarthy has already won a Lombardi and the team is has already won consecutive years at 12 wins...that doesn't smell of losers at all.

This team, with Stephen has a balance right now, of over $6 M, with some All Pro's still to sign. That is more relevant than bouncing around to the unappreciated whims of a group of fans, again, crying in their beers. No matter the volume of beer being slurped down.
I guess you believe in the tooth fairy, we have been doing this since 2008, under Stephen Jones, have we won a nfc championship or been to one NO! The chiefs, rams, eagles, 49ers all have made significant trades, for top.players and trading players that wanted to hold out for more money while under contract. You can't run a team like a family from front office towards players
Will never work and has never worked
But Stephen Jones wants you to believe our own players theory, because A he is to stupid to get deals with agents and players, raiders cooper trade, Zeke holdout under contract, doesn't take a rocket scientist to see oh if Zeke held out under contract or Gallup who didn't produce for 16 million, if you trade a few of those players then the other players will see, oh I had better produce or else. Quit babying the players, their taking advantage of you.
 

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I guess you believe in the tooth fairy, we have been doing this since 2008, under Stephen Jones, have we won a nfc championship or been to one NO! The chiefs, rams, eagles, 49ers all have made significant trades, for top.players and trading players that wanted to hold out for more money while under contract. You can't run a team like a family from front office towards players
Will never work and has never worked
But Stephen Jones wants you to believe our own players theory, because A he is to stupid to get deals with agents and players, raiders cooper trade, Zeke holdout under contract, doesn't take a rocket scientist to see oh if Zeke held out under contract or Gallup who didn't produce for 16 million, if you trade a few of those players then the other players will see, oh I had better produce or else. Quit babying the players, their taking advantage of you.
You undersell a soldier that is ready to deploy...and bad mouth his leaders. They are well battle hardened and not just rooting from the grand stands.
 

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B. He chuckles and laughs all the way to the bank when you fall for his baloney. When you put pressure, demands on.him, he changes his attitude. He's the reason we got into cap problems resigning Zeke while under contract. Trading for amari while a raider, giving Gallup 16 million when he should have signed him for 12 or 13.
 

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:bow: A picture is worth a thousand words.
Just for comparitive value...what is the highest you have filed income tax for. I did $100,00+ twice...and those pictured? I'll just go to side bar and rest the case on judgements. I still root at games...not talk bad of the franchise.

Tell you what...go to this game tomorrow and start yelling Boooooooo Jerry! You failed us for 27 years and until the ushers come...
 

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B. He chuckles and laughs all the way to the bank when you fall for his baloney. When you put pressure, demands on.him, he changes his attitude. He's the reason we got into cap problems resigning Zeke while under contract. Trading for amari while a raider, giving Gallup 16 million when he should have signed him for 12 or 13.
Just the very same as off season...the full road hasn't been traveled, but in your mind.
 

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Just for comparitive value...what is the highest you have filed income tax for. I did $100,00+ twice...and those pictured? I'll just go to side bar and rest the case on judgements. I still root at games...not talk bad of the franchise.

Tell you what...go to this game tomorrow and start yelling Boooooooo Jerry! You failed us for 27 years and until the ushers come...
Hmmm...
Are you offended or just checking my fandom oil level?
 

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Just the very same as off season...the full road hasn't been traveled, but in your mind.
I've been watching the cowboys since 1965, I've seen trades good and bad, teams building with good drafts trades, like for years the Arizona Cardinals in 80, 90s didn't care, I've seen ruthless gm's cut players etc. I've seen it all, I've even helped the cowboys win games, one of my good friends a top broadcaster, knows me well, the Dallas cowboys have said they are well aware of who I am. I've even talked to gil Brandt, tex schramn, John Wooten all pro og later worked for the cowboys, I've even talked to Jerry Jones, I know what I see
 

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It's like Jimmy Johnson told Troy one day, he hated being the bad guy to the players, even in trades Jimmy did, yes first 4 years Jimmy Johnson had control of the draft and trades. Go look it up under NFL.com. Contracts
 

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It's like this, the front office is a business, you run that business efficient, hard sometimes, you can't baby the players or be like a daddy family to them, players will take advantage of you
 

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And you've got outsmart other NFL teams in players, trades, in some ways manipulate the salary cap, the 49ers did it for years in 80s and early mid 90s
 
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