You know what's funny?

[Yeagermeister]

Could you imagine what it would be like on this board if after 15 season with Parcells we had not won a Super Bowl?

About the same as it is now after 4 yrs

 

[Rack]

Could you imagine what it would be like on this board if after 15 season with Parcells we had not won a Super Bowl?

I'd rather take my chances with BP for 15 years then to go through 3-4 different coaches in the same time frame and still not win it.

 

[theogt]

I'd rather take my chances with BP for 15 years then to go through 3-4 different coaches in the same time frame and still not win it.

I agree with that. The only sign of success for a team and a coach is getting to the playoffs. Once you get there anything can happen -- good or bad. It takes a little luck to get to the SB and win it. Some coaches, like Bellicheck, have had a little luck in the playoffs, and some coaches, like Schottenheimer, haven't.

 

[Cochese]

I'd rather take my chances with BP for 15 years then to go through 3-4 different coaches in the same time frame and still not win it.

I disagree, I would rather change coaches every 4 years until one proved he can get this team ready to play in the month of December.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Then you look at someone like Lovie Smith, who has been a head coach in the league for 3 years and about 3 days, and he is in the NFC Championship game, maybe bringing in fresh blood is what works. Or the Saints who went from 3-13 to the NFC Championship game, is another example of bringing in fresh blood and reaping the rewards. The NFL changes from year to year. There are no excuses for 9-7 when other teams with what I would consider to be inferior or equal overall talent are getting the job done.

Couple of points. While the Bears are in the NFC title game, they are very one sided and their shot at winning a superbowl is almost non-existent. They only reason it does exist is because they haven't been eliminated yet. That will come soon enough. The only team that won a superbowl with a great defense and garbage offense was the Ravens and they at least had a good running game. The Bears do not.

As for the Saints you can't count last years record vs this years as the Saints actually have a lot of talent last year, but they were screwed off with the Katrina crap and left homeless and pretty much played like it. I mean, they played a home game against the Giants in the Meadowlands!!! How screwed up is that?!?!!?

Anyway, the Saints were talent then and have more talent now and a better HC.

 

[bbgun]

A few people round here

If anyone's infatuated with Holmgren, it's Jerry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

what finally got Holmgren and Seattle over the hump was finally finding a franchise QB, and getting Darrell Jackson, Shaun Alexander and Steve Hutchinson around the same time helped alot too

 

[ElGatoGrande]

usually what makes a Championship team is having a good coach with a solid program installed,,, and then waiting around for the lucky day when a handful of exceptional players end up on the roster.

So yeah, continuity and patience are key.

Jimmy was just lucky to have that blockbuster deal so early in his tenure.

 

[Clove]

usually what makes a Championship team is having a good coach with a solid program installed,,, and then waiting around for the lucky day when a handful of exceptional players end up on the roster.

So yeah, continuity and patience are key.

Jimmy was just lucky to have that blockbuster deal so early in his tenure.

You can have the best roster in the history of rosters, but if your coach is not a great game day coach, you're not going to win. Jimmy knew exactly how to game plan a team, and his game day decisions were outstanding. So let's not blame it all on the talent. If that were the case, then the Colts and Chargers would win every year.

 

[Doomsday101]

You can have the best roster in the history of rosters, but if your coach is not a great game day coach, you're not going to win. Jimmy knew exactly how to game plan a team, and his game day decisions were outstanding. So let's not blame it all on the talent. If that were the case, then the Colts and Chargers would win every year.

So what happened in Miami? Jimmy never called a game in Dallas Norv Turner was calling the plays and Wannstead and Butch Davis called the defense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You can have the best roster in the history of rosters, but if your coach is not a great game day coach, you're not going to win. Jimmy knew exactly how to game plan a team, and his game day decisions were outstanding. So let's not blame it all on the talent. If that were the case, then the Colts and Chargers would win every year.

uh, you do know that Jimmy never employed any imaginative schemes? those Dallas teams just beat you straight up

 

[Skin]

uh, you do know that Jimmy never employed any imaginative schemes? those Dallas teams just beat you straight up

Much like Parcells in NY.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Then you look at someone like Lovie Smith, who has been a head coach in the league for 3 years and about 3 days, and he is in the NFC Championship game, maybe bringing in fresh blood is what works. Or the Saints who went from 3-13 to the NFC Championship game, is another example of bringing in fresh blood and reaping the rewards. The NFL changes from year to year. There are no excuses for 9-7 when other teams with what I would consider to be inferior or equal overall talent are getting the job done.

Lovie Smith is a great coach, no doubt about it. But let's not get carried away here. Chicago had one of the softest schedules around. Play GB, Detroit and Minny 6 times, and you'd be looking good too. Throw in the NFC West for another 6, adn it's clear as to why Chicago had such a strong record. We'll see how far they get this year.

As for New Orleans. Im really not that surprised they are having success. I would never have predicted them being this good right away, but let's not forget, they have alot of talent, especially on offense. Before this year, they had horrid QB play. Now they have Breese, who no doubt was a potential MVP candidate.

Ive drawn on the Seattle and Pittsburgh examples quite a bit as well. I'm not doing this to excuse our team's inability to take the next step. But I will say, give the man some time. The talent is finally here.

Eitehr way. One more year of Parcells, weather you like it or not. So he's getting his chance regardless.

 

[Cochese]

Lovie Smith is a great coach, no doubt about it. But let's not get carried away here. Chicago had one of the softest schedules around. Play GB, Detroit and Minny 6 times, and you'd be looking good too. Throw in the NFC West for another 6, adn it's clear as to why Chicago had such a strong record. We'll see how far they get this year.

As for New Orleans. Im really not that surprised they are having success. I would never have predicted them being this good right away, but let's not forget, they have alot of talent, especially on offense. Before this year, they had horrid QB play. Now they have Breese, who no doubt was a potential MVP candidate.

Ive drawn on the Seattle and Pittsburgh examples quite a bit as well. I'm not doing this to excuse our team's inability to take the next step. But I will say, give the man some time. The talent is finally here.

Eitehr way. One more year of Parcells, weather you like it or not. So he's getting his chance regardless.

Sure the Bears had an easy schedule, but lets not forget we had the Titans in Youngs first start, the Cardinals, the Texans, Tampa Bay, Detroit, if you include the fierce rivals the Packers in the discussion with the Bears we have to count the Skins as schedule padding for our Boys too. We did not have it hard this year by any stretch of the imagination, you cant fault a team for destroying lesser competition, this isnt college, the Bears have no say over who they play.

 

[Skin]

Sure the Bears had an easy schedule, but lets not forget we had the Titans in Youngs first start, the Cardinals, the Texans, Tampa Bay, Detroit, if you include the fierce rivals the Packers in the discussion with the Bears we have to count the Skins as schedule padding for our Boys too. We did not have it hard this year by any stretch of the imagination, you cant fault a team for destroying lesser competition, this isnt college, the Bears have no say over who they play.

I have to agree with this. Our schedule was not off the charts difficult by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Ashwynn]

Continuity, folks, I think it works.

Sure, keep on doing the same stuff that got you 9-7 and wonder why we are still 9-7 next year. Why do pple do the same thing expecting different results? Continuity only works if its working as your building. Its not working here. Unless you like being middle of the road and picking draft picks in the high teens or low 20's. Personally, I think that sucks. Change the coach and I bet we see a different result, maybe for the better, maybe for the worse, but anything different then no pass rush, no Oline, no secondary crap is preferential to another year of more of the same ole same ole. Damn, I am tired of Parcells no adjusting ***.

 

[DipChit]

I have to agree with this. Our schedule was not off the charts difficult by any stretch of the imagination.

Yeah it prolly wasnt too bad as evidenced by us hammering a number of teams. 6 victories by 17 or more. No teams in the final four did that more times. Indy did it less. So did the Ravens and Chargers to name a couple others.

Doesnt mean much though since we obviously lost too many other games.

Still though, if we're so bad off at the top how did we manage to win as many games like that as we did?

Is it a deal simply where when we whipped teams it was because of the players and when we choked it was cause of the coach?

 

[Skin]

Still though, if we're so bad off at the top how did we manage to win as many games like that as we did?

Is it a deal simply where when we whipped teams it was because of the players and when we choked it was cause of the coach?

Good questions.

I'd love to know why we keep laying eggs in December. The Philly game and the Detroit game still make me want to hurl.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

What's funny is people arguing that everyone should be happy with Parcells due to "continuity".

The logical extension of that should have everyone pining for year 8 of the Campo era.

 

[theogt]

What's funny is people arguing that everyone should be happy with Parcells due to "continuity".

The logical extension of that should have everyone pining for year 8 of the Campo era.

That's not a logical extension at all. There are other assumptions that go along with the argument as well (that should be pretty obvious) that prevent the extension to this scenario.