You wanna shake things up Wade? Put EVERYONE'S position up for grabs

[jday]

I definitely agree with this. That should be the case at all times.

 

[Hostile]

Appreciate it, Hos. I just want this team to play with a little bit of urgency for once.

I give you aces man.

 

[Da Hammer]

i like this idea in theory although our players are so mentally weak that they would probably just quit instead of trying harder fighting for their jobs... and you just cant cut them because it seems every one of our players has one of the biggest contracts at their position...

 

[TheSport78]

i like this idea in theory although our players are so mentally weak that they would probably just quit instead of trying harder fighting for their jobs... and you just cant cut them because it seems every one of our players has one of the biggest contracts at their position...

No doubt. We have "all-stars" at almost every position with very little team chemistry. Look at Parcells' first year in 2003. Did that Cowboys team have a lot of talent? No. Did they have playmakers at every position? No. Did they have a QB to win them games? No. But they were a team that believed in their head coach and believed in one another. This is a problem with Wade because he was handed the keys to the Cadillac and doesn't even know how to turn the car on.

 

[Hostile]

i like this idea in theory although our players are so mentally weak that they would probably just quit instead of trying harder fighting for their jobs... and you just cant cut them because it seems every one of our players has one of the biggest contracts at their position...

We'd be better off if any of them did. I doubt they would.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The OP is exactly right.

This is why the coach doesn't have to scowl or scream or "get in people's faces"... That stuff is just a big show. The coach could never say a word, and if the players knew they'd be benched if the person behind them outplayed them by even a little, they'd be as motivated as possible.

That's why it's possible for Wade or any other soft-spoken coach to succeed.

But as someone said, Jerry can't step in and demand that certain players play, no matter how famous they are or how much money they make. It has to be totally up to the coach.

And this is also why we need an influx of young, hungry players to this team. We need some young talent that can threaten some of these vets.

Oh, and BTW... Someone mentioned Nate's comments on this. Nate also said on that show that Hudson Houck told him that he had no depth, and until he got some depth, he couldn't do anything with these guys. I suspect this is exactly what he was talking about.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I am on board with the idea of putting them up for grabs but the problem is that it's probably just not that simple anymore. Once some of these guys are given the contracts they are they're not going to sit on the bench and just collect those high salaries while someone else is playing.

You'd have no way of caping something like that cause the moment there are guys making a lot less, beating out guys making a lot more, then those guys making less are going to start wanting to make a lot more and you can't pay two people, at the exact same position, a bunch of money and you can't just cut the one you've already paid a lot of money too cause it would eat up your cap.

If he wanted to do that, and be effective, he really needed to do it before last season where he could have made Hamlin, and Barber, and Owens, and Flo fight for their jobs before they got big deals.

 

[Iago33]

We'd be better off if any of them did. I doubt they would.

No, Hos, we wouldn't. I don't think he means they would give up football or the the Cowboys. I think he means the players would give up and not give effort at all. We'd still have their salary implications to deal with, and we would have players that are even more useless than before. I think this may be part of a shift in culture from 10-15 years ago.

 

[wileedog]

i like this idea in theory although our players are so mentally weak that they would probably just quit instead of trying harder fighting for their jobs... and you just cant cut them because it seems every one of our players has one of the biggest contracts at their position...

Especially since they know this is Wade's last year pretty much no matter what. Especially if we start benching the starters.

No doubt in my mind we start benching people (which will never happen anyway on Jerry's watch, he can't sell tickets with Brooks Bollinger playing QB), this team rolls over and figures they will wait for the next HC to worry about it.

Welcome to lame duckdom.

 

[wileedog]

That's why it's possible for Wade or any other soft-spoken coach to succeed.
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No one says you have to shout to succeed. You have to command respect. No doubt Tony Dungy's players will run through walls for him without any shouting.

You can't do that when you are afraid to punish transgression and you have been hamstrung by your owner/GM before you even walked in the door.

 

[rcaldw]

No one says you have to shout to succeed. You have to command respect. No doubt Tony Dungy's players will run through walls for him without any shouting.

You can't do that when you are afraid to punish transgression and you have been hamstrung by your owner/GM before you even walked in the door.

This continues to be thrown out there, despite the fact that it has been clearly stated otherwise, that what some of us have a problem with Wade about is that he doesn't yell. No, the problem is that Wade Phillips (if our perceptions are correct) is not respected by the players. They may like him. They may even have a "family" desire to do well for him. But I do not get the impression that there is any healthy respect that borders on some fear. You don't have to be loud to get that done.

Tony Dungy - not a yeller - respected
Tom Landry - not a yeller - respected

Those two always come to my mind first, but I'm sure there are many more.

The one thing that all coaches who are successful for the long term is that their players respect them.

 

[thechosen1n2]

This is one major problem with the Cowboys. Too many players are COMFORTABLE with their position on the team. Players need to be walking on eggshells and this will cause them to play better against opponents. Competition brings out the best in players. Whoever plays the best ball during training camp gets the job; it's that simple. If our rookie safety is playing better than Henry, START THE ROOKIE. Remember when Pacman came back and he immediately started over Jenkins? Well, those kind of decisions destroy team chemistry. This is why we will never win with Wade, because he always has a need to cling to the veterans, even if they're not playing better football than a younger player. EVERYONE'S POSITION SHOULD BE UP FOR GRABS (yes this includes you #9)

great post...I had this conversation with someone a few days ago. My exact words were "The only people who who are almost guaranteed a starting spot is ratliff, ware, mcbriar and nick folk."

 

[dallasfaniac]

This may be a dumb question, but how many players were playing ahead of those that had outperformed them? I'm just curious how much this would have shaken things up. I mean, we saw what happens when someone other than Romo is out there, which QB would have sent Romo to the bench that we could have had a chance to even bring in?

 

[Da Hammer]

No, Hos, we wouldn't. I don't think he means they would give up football or the the Cowboys. I think he means the players would give up and not give effort at all. We'd still have their salary implications to deal with, and we would have players that are even more useless than before. I think this may be part of a shift in culture from 10-15 years ago.

yea thats what i mean that our players i doubt would raise up to the challenge instead they would fold and pout although i wish they would quit im tired of this loser mentality that this team has!

oh n wileedog is right with so much discussion about whether Wade should be fired or not, the players know that if the team has another crap season that the one that will be struck with the mighty hammer lol will be Wade. Although something i had forgot about is the possibly uncapped season starting next year. if there is no salary cap then Jones might not be hesitant to cut any player he sees fit to cut. Still ah there's so many problems on this team coaches and players that one cant help but just be frustrated to be quite honest...

 

[TheSport78]

great post...I had this conversation with someone a few days ago. My exact words were "The only people who who are almost guaranteed a starting spot is ratliff, ware, mcbriar and nick folk."

No doubt. Folk is MONEY but I wouldn't be surprised if we brought in a kickoff specialist like the Giants did this year if Folk continues to struggle on kickoffs..

 

[wileedog]

No doubt. Folk is MONEY but I wouldn't be surprised if we brought in a kickoff specialist like the Giants did this year if Folk continues to struggle on kickoffs..

Folk was complaing that Read had him "kicking to a spot" on kickoffs rather than just booming it, so it hurt his distance. That might be enough of a fix right there.

 

[TheSport78]

Folk was complaing that Read had him "kicking to a spot" on kickoffs rather than just booming it, so it hurt his distance. That might be enough of a fix right there.

That's right I remember hearing that also. Let's hope it's true!

 

[BigBoy63]

you are absolutely correct, every player should be fighting for their position ever day. when people become pushed thats when you see how well of a player they are and how well they handle those kind of situations. Pushing people makes them better... Obviously something Wade knows nothing about, hell he needs to be pushed more than anybody else on the team.

 

[TheSport78]

you are absolutely correct, every player should be fighting for their position ever day. when people become pushed thats when you see how well of a player they are and how well they handle those kind of situations. Pushing people makes them better... Obviously something Wade knows nothing about, hell he needs to be pushed more than anybody else on the team.

It stinks to say this but Wade is not going to change; I think it's too late for that. Just look at the players who have declined in play since they signed multi-year deals (whether they were injured or not)

Patrick Crayton- totally disappeared

Tony Romo- continues to struggle in clutch situations

Flozell Adams- he may have been HURT but he was not INJURED (Parcells always preached the difference between the two)

Ken Hamlin- this deal upsets me the most. His deal was NOT warranted after one good year of play

Greg Ellis- ever since he got that "extension" from Jerry his play has been inconsistent

Terrell Owens- whether he has lost a step still remains to be seen, but he is clearly not the same player he was in 07'

Roy Williams (S)- he just got worse and worse; I'm starting to think football just isn't important to him

Marion Barber- the jury is still out whether or not he's a full-time back. Hasn't
proven it yet.

The only players who have warranted their contracts in my opinion are Jason Witten, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James and Leonard Davis

 

[BigBoy63]

It stinks to say this but Wade is not going to change; I think it's too late for that. Just look at the players who have declined in play since they signed multi-year deals (whether they were injured or not)

Patrick Crayton- totally disappeared

Tony Romo- continues to struggle in clutch situations

Flozell Adams- he may have been HURT but he was not INJURED (Parcells always preached the difference between the two)

Ken Hamlin- this deal upsets me the most. His deal was NOT warranted after one good year of play

Greg Ellis- ever since he got that "extension" from Jerry his play has been inconsistent

Terrell Owens- whether he has lost a step still remains to be seen, but he is clearly not the same player he was in 07'

Roy Williams (S)- he just got worse and worse; I'm starting to think football just isn't important to him

Marion Barber- the jury is still out whether or not he's a full-time back. Hasn't
proven it yet.

The only players who have warranted their contracts in my opinion are Jason Witten, Jay Ratliff, Bradie James and Leonard Davis

Exactly, the whole point with people not being challenged and pushed.