You wanted youth in the secondary?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Needing more THAN ONE vet player is what I have been yapping about. They needed to bring in another quality vet CB to go with the three youngsters. Carroll wasn't and never was going to be that guy. He blows.

And I didn't hedge my bets. I don't think you even understand what that means. Saying I will admit I am wrong and take my lumps isn't hedging my bet. It's stating that if I am wrong, I will admit it. That's a concept you often fail at and I am sure many posters will agree.

Yapping got to you. When you parrot it back at me it shows the effect of my rhetoric. Good job.

You said if you are wrong you will be honorable in admitting it. That is an attempt to get something in case you are wrong ie appearing honorable. That is hedging your bet. I see no posters agreeing with you on any of this. If anything you have been called out repeatedly for going chicken little and fearmongering. You are on your own, chachi.

 

[Sydla]

You just admitted that there were two McCourty's you made my case. Thanks.

You should try to complete your thoughts and review your posts before spamming them out then. It makes you appear scatterbrained.

We get that you are still butthurt about Carroll. However had those two injuries had not happened the secondary issues would not have been as bad as they were. Carroll was just fine the week before.

You have abandoned completely the argument about your plan. Cherry picking after the fact and having 1 valid option is no option at all. By doing so you admit that your plan was ****.

You have abandoned the argument that starting quality corners are not going to come here given how they were to be replaced. YOu definitely struggle with the notion of a bridge player.

Yeah two McCourty's. And one plays CB in Cleveland and one plays S in NE. So when someone asked who I would have signed AT CB, and I said McCourty, most intelligent football fans would immediately know I am talking about the brother who plays CB in Cleveland and not the S who plays in NE. I wonder if you even knew there was another McCourty in the league.

You thought you caught me in a "gotcha" moment but instead just highlighted your own ignorance on the NFL. Well done.

 

[Sydla]

Yapping got to you. When you parrot it back at me it shows the effect of my rhetoric. Good job.

You said if you are wrong you will be honorable in admitting it. That is an attempt to get something in case you are wrong ie appearing honorable. That is hedging your bet. I see no posters agreeing with you on any of this. If anything you have been called out repeatedly for going chicken little and fearmongering. You are on your own, chachi.

LOL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah two McCourty's. And one plays CB in Cleveland and one plays S in NE. So when someone asked who I would have signed AT CB, and I said McCourty, most intelligent football fans would immediately know I am talking about the brother who plays CB in Cleveland and not the S who plays in NE. I wonder if you even knew there was another McCourty in the league.

You thought you caught me in a "gotcha" moment but instead just highlighted your own ignorance. Well done.

The NE McCourty used to play corner. If anyone thinks they have a gotcha moment it is you. You guys that act like they accomplished something because you think I made a mistake on a point of fact are amusing. You have since abandoned all arguments on merit hoping to deflect with your gotcha.

1 possible FA that was cherry picked after the fact is not a plan and demonstrates a poor market.
A starting quality player is not going to want to come to a club looking to immediately draft his replacement.
Your whinging is ignoring the impact of two key injuries at the position.
You being butthurt about Carroll is not lost on anyone. We know you like to channel Philly area sports takes as it is.
Either McCourty does not mitigate any of the above.

Overall your yapping has gotten boring and you are desperately looking for an out as opposed to arguing on merit. I'm moving on.

 

[zrinkill]

I bet the OP was complaining about the db's last year too .......

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL.

I was right. You were hedging your bet. No one is agreeing with you.

Most of the time in back and forths like this people do not want to get involved. Begging for outside help is a weak armed hail mary.

 

[Sydla]

The NE McCourty used to play corner. If anyone thinks they have a gotcha moment it is you. You guys that act like they accomplished something because you think I made a mistake on a point of fact are amusing. You have since abandoned all arguments on merit hoping to deflect with your gotcha.

1 possible FA that was cherry picked after the fact is not a plan and demonstrates a poor market.
A starting quality player is not going to want to come to a club looking to immediately draft his replacement.
Your whinging is ignoring the impact of two key injuries at the position.
You being butthurt about Carroll is not lost on anyone. We know you like to channel Philly area sports takes as it is.
Either McCourty does not mitigate any of the above.

Overall your yapping has gotten boring and you are desperately looking for an out as opposed to arguing on merit. I'm moving on.

Of course you want to move on. That's your MO after you get caught making a dumb comment.

You asked what CB I would have looked at. I said McCourty. You said I don't know what I am talking about because McCourty plays S. I figured most fans know there are two McCourty's in the league. Apparently you did not. The only person who didn't know what he was talking about was clearly you.

 

[Sydla]

I bet the OP was complaining about the db's last year too .......

I was.

And I wanted to upgrade at least one CB position and the SS position both in the draft (well mainly CB) and then bring in a vet or two to strength the group.

But if I had known the plan was to just give Heath the job at SS and sign Carroll as our big vet acquisition, I would gladly have brought back Carr, for example. He's a better player.

 

[Sydla]

I was right. You were hedging your bet. No one is agreeing with you.

Most of the time in back and forths like this people do not want to get involved. Begging for outside help is a weak armed hail mary.

I don't want help.

I stand by my position. I think the secondary is going to be an ongoing issue this entire year. As much as I like Awuzie and Lewis, it's a lot to ask rookies to basically help remake what was a shoddy secondary in 2016.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Brandon Carr is better than Nolan Carroll. Only this team can actually downgrade a position and get the fan boys to applaud the move. Carr is 31 and has a 2017 cap hit of $3M. Carroll is 30 and has a cap hit of $2M.

Awuzie will be fine. Lewis was a great value in the 3rd. Neither should be the foundation of this year's secondary. In 2 or 3 years they will be solid #2 and #3-type guys. The Carroll signing was posturing and Anthony Brown is fool's gold. Heath is fool's aluminum. Byron Jones is to-be-determined, but he isn't making plays at a safety and despite amazing physical gifts, is always a step (or two) behind the play.

The team needs to look at the process they are using to evaluate secondary players, both in-house evaluations and scouting. Something is very, very wrong.

 

[Aven8]

The Carroll signing was nothing more then a stopgap insurance policy until these guys were ready this season. 3 million is nothing for a starting CB folks. Mo got 5 million and he sucks!

 

[Sydla]

Brandon Carr is better than Nolan Carroll. Only this team can actually downgrade a position and get the fan boys to applaud the move. Carr is 31 and has a 2017 cap hit of $3M. Carroll is 30 and has a cap hit of $2M.

Awuzie will be fine. Lewis was a great value in the 3rd. Neither should be the foundation of this year's secondary. In 2 or 3 years they will be solid #2 and #3-type guys. The Carroll signing was posturing and Anthony Brown is fool's gold. Heath is fool's aluminum. Byron Jones is to-be-determined, but he isn't making plays at a safety and despite amazing physical gifts, is always a step (or two) behind the play.

The team needs to look at the process they are using to evaluate secondary players, both in-house evaluations and scouting. Something is very, very wrong.

Exactly, although I am a bit higher on both Awuzie and Lewis. I think Awuzie can be a #1. I also think Brown is better than you give him credit for.

That being said, counting on rookies to overhaul a secondary in year 1 is likely wishful thinking and risky.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

You could have improved the secondary and still gone with young in the draft.

LOL at the excuse making. Some of you are acting like this was a 6 win team last year building for the future two years from now.

No, that's not it at all. Some of us have just accepted that the Cowboys personnel management style is about drafting and building and not paying for high priced free agents. Where have you been lately? Is this news to you?

 

[KingintheNorth]

No, that's not it at all. Some of us have just accepted that the Cowboys personnel management style is about drafting and building and not paying for high priced free agents. Where have you been lately? Is this news to you?

That process takes too long. By the time you fix it, two other position areas have become a problem. Need to use the draft and free agency if you truly want to compete for Super Bowl rings.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

That process takes too long. By the time you fix it, two other position areas have become a problem. Need to use the draft and free agency if you truly want to compete for Super Bowl rings.

I imagine the plan is to do the bulk of the rebuilding in the draft, like this year with the secondary, and fix whatever hole(s) remain next year in FA if you think you're a contender.

 

[risco]

Well you got it.

The offseason plan to fixing one of our biggest needs is showing to be a failure. The plan was apparently draft a bunch of rookies, sign Nolan Carroll and that would be the change that would make a 13-3 team that was one porous secondary from making a NFC title game better.

Failure. Massive failure.

Carroll is bad. He just is. Some deluded themselves into thinking that he was just a poor victim of a misfit system in Philly. He wasn't. Philly played more zone last year than they normally want to because of a bad secondary and Carroll still sucked. Philly opted to go with rookies and Jalen Mills, who got toasted in a key moment in the KC game yesterday, and FA trash Patrick Robinson instead of bringing Carroll back. Oh, and yes, Carroll is a worse CB than Carr, who people wanted run out of town.

The front office took an unnecessary risk with the secondary this year. And it's going to bite them in the butt again IMO. Note, that doesn't mean I think Awuzie and Lewis are bad players. I actually think they will be fine players. But this team could have still drafted those guys will still spending a bit more money on upgrading the 2016 secondary.

At this point, I might go drastic and put Woods at FS, return Jones to CB (he's not a very good FS, I've given up hope after defending him, he's just not a playmaker back there). And this offseason I invest real FA dollars in upgrading the secondary while bringing Lewis and Awuzie along.

I'm really not mad about that. In fact, I like what we did in the secondary. I think we all knew there would be growing pains- but the upside will be fantastic.