You wanted youth in the secondary?

[Sydla]

That is not a plan. That is a generalized idea. What player or group of players would fit that bill. And keep in mind that they cannot be so entrenched that they become progress stoppers.

Scandrick, Brown, Awuzie, and Lewis will be fine moving forward. It was the injuries to Scandrick and Awuzie that caused the problems.

I'm more concerned about Collins on defense.

LOL. And there it is, "progress stoppers".

They brought in Carroll to be a starter. He's the quintessential progress stopper because he's a trash CB. Carr is a better CB than Carroll even with his scheme issues. I'd have brought him back if I knew the plan was to go out and sign Carroll. McCourty would also have been a better option. I'd have even paid Prince $7MM for one year (granted, he's been hurt).

 

[Sydla]

You specifically made a post about youth in the secondary.

I like the LOL though, usually a solid indicator of a dodge.

You clearly didn't read the post, then. Because I very clearly stated I like the rookies and think they will eventually be good. My issue is that it's an unnecessary self inflicted wound to then suddenly have to find yourself needing said rookies to play huge parts in your defense. Even if Carroll doesn't get hurt, he's going to be a liability out there at CB and eventually you'd have to force Lewis or Awuzie to play for him.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I've given my plan multiple times.

They handled the draft fine. They should have brought in a better veteran CB and brought in another SS to compete with Heath.

They did bring in Blanton who started 19 games in the NFL at safety and looked good for the Vikings in '15.

 

[jjktkk]

You clearly didn't read the post, then. Because I very clearly stated I like the rookies and think they will eventually be good. My issue is that it's an unnecessary self inflicted wound to then suddenly have to find yourself needing said rookies to play huge parts in your defense. Even if Carroll doesn't get hurt, he's going to be a liability out there at CB and eventually you'd have to force Lewis or Awuzie to play for him.

This happens to every team in the NFL, yet you're chastising the Cowboys for letting this take place. Having a NFL roster, two deep with veterans might work on Madden, but not on a actual NFL team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL. And there it is, "progress stoppers".

They brought in Carroll to be a starter. He's the quintessential progress stopper because he's a trash CB. Carr is a better CB than Carroll even with his scheme issues. I'd have brought him back if I knew the plan was to go out and sign Carroll. McCourty would also have been a better option. I'd have even paid Prince $7MM for one year (granted, he's been hurt).

Nice diversion. All I see is you unable to articulate a plan. Prince is still hurt so there goes that plan. McCourty is not even a CB anymore. I see you are chasing names mindlessly but nonetheless this is not 2012.

But that is your plan? 2 names? Who is to say they would even be willing to come here? Who is to say they were not contacted? A good FA plan requires either inside knowledge ie the agent/player telling you beforehand they are coming in or a multitude of names to choose from. All I get from your 'plan' is that the midlevel CB market was ****. Hoping one of two players will pick us on a modest deal with no guarantee of starting is foolishness.

As for Carroll being a progress stopper, that is an ignorant take given his salary and past history. Awuzie and Lewis were hurt for most of TC. Even Collins didn't take over the 3 until week 3 and he was playing outstanding.

 

[Sydla]

This happens to every team in the NFL, yet you're chastising the Cowboys for letting this take place. Having a NFL roster, two deep with veterans might work on Madden, but not on a actual NFL team.

LOL. Who said anything about being two deep at every position with vets?

The extremes are entertaining though. It's apparently an extreme like bunch of rookies or being two deep roster full of vets. Or an extreme like you either have to sign a trash vet for really cheap or spend a crap ton of money on a top level FA.

No in betweens.

 

[Sydla]

Nice diversion. All I see is you unable to articulate a plan. Prince is still hurt so there goes that plan. McCourty is not even a CB anymore. I see you are chasing names mindlessly but nonetheless this is not 2012.

But that is your plan? 2 names? Who is to say they would even be willing to come here? Who is to say they were not contacted? A good FA plan requires either inside knowledge ie the agent/player telling you beforehand they are coming in or a multitude of names to choose from. All I get from your 'plan' is that the midlevel CB market was ****. Hoping one of two players will pick us on a modest deal with no guarantee of starting is foolishness.

As for Carroll being a progress stopper, that is an ignorant take given his salary and past history. Awuzie and Lewis were hurt for most of TC. Even Collins didn't take over the 3 until week 3 and he was playing outstanding.

You have the wrong McCourty. Jason McCourty is better than Carroll. Already has an interception and forced fumble this year.

And they didn't really investigate any other CBs. They wanted Carroll two years ago too and was one of the first CBs they brought in. They had a bizarre infatuation with what is a pretty average to awful CB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have the wrong McCourty.

And they didn't really investigate any other CBs. They wanted Carroll two years ago too. They had a bizarre infatuation with what is a pretty average to awful CB.

It's still not 2012.

You have no idea what they did or did not do. I just find it humorous that you think you are going to find a starting quality corner who knows that he is at best going to be beat out after a few weeks.

The issue was injuries to Awuzie and Scandrick and has little to do with roster construction. Injuries are debilitating.

 

[Blackspider214]

I love this board after a loss. Seriously. It is high quality entertainment from the dumb threads made.

Exactly the same as after last weeks loss, Brady is now done.

 

[sideon]

I still think we shoulda kept Mo. He was a shutdown corner when he was on the field last year.

 

[Sydla]

It's still not 2012.

You have no idea what they did or did not do. I just find it humorous that you think you are going to find a starting quality corner who knows that he is at best going to be beat out after a few weeks.

The issue was injuries to Awuzie and Scandrick and has little to do with roster construction. Injuries are debilitating.

Fuzzy makes a mistake, ignores it. Typical Fuzzy response. Its not 2012, it's 2017 and McCourty is a better CB than Carroll in 2017. Your new argument now is, "well we signed Carroll because maybe no other CBs wanted to come here because they would be replaced in the starting lineup after a few weeks."

Carroll was a dumb signing. There were better options out there that could have worked with the plan to bring along rookies while still trying to trot out a competent secondary. Injuries to Scandrick and Awuzie don't change that fact. In fact, they heighten that fact. Because when Scandrick and Awuzie get hurt, it pushes Carroll into a more prominent role, which he is incapable of filling.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy makes a mistake, ignores it. Typical Fuzzy response. Its not 2012, it's 2017 and McCourty is a better CB than Carroll in 2017. Your new argument now is, "well we signed Carroll because maybe no other CBs wanted to come here because they would be replaced in the starting lineup after a few weeks."

If anyone made a mistake it was you by not being specific. That is your failure in communication.

And its fun to cherry pick the FA corner after the fact but again, picking 1 corner and pretending it's a valid approach is not a plan that works in March.

This notion that a starting quality corner is going to come here when he knows that he is going to be outed after a few games by multiple rookies is misleading. You going to address that or try to talk around it?

You even going to address the injury angle and acknowledge Scandrick and Awuzie's injuries or you just going to stick to handwaving the one argument you think you can win and dodging the others?

 

[Sydla]

And FWIW, if the secondary starts playing very well as Awuzie and Lewis and even Brown start playing well, I will gladly admit I was wrong and take my lumps.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And FWIW, if the secondary starts playing very well as Awuzie and Lewis and even Brown start playing well, I will gladly admit I was wrong and take my lumps.

Already hedging. You left out Scandrick.

 

[Sydla]

If anyone made a mistake it was you by not being specific. That is your failure in communication.

And its fun to cherry pick the FA corner after the fact but again, picking 1 corner and pretending it's a valid approach is not a plan that works in March.

This notion that a starting quality corner is going to come here when he knows that he is going to be outed after a few games by multiple rookies is misleading. You going to address that or try to talk around it?

You even going to address the injury angle and acknowledge Scandrick and Awuzie's injuries or you just going to stick to handwaving the one argument you think you can win and dodging the others?

My fault for not being specific? LOL. I figured a learned football man and self-professed NFL expert like yourself would know that there are two McCourty's in the NFL and one of them is actually a CB. And when I listed McCourty as a CB I would have looked at, a smart man like yourself would have known that he's talking about the CB, not the S.

You are a peach.

And I did address the injury issue. You were responding when I edited my post. Injuries to Awuzie and Scandrick don't change the fact that Carroll was a poor signing. He's a below average CB. In fact, injuries to Awuzie and Scandrick highlight just how bad a signing he was because he was going to be asked to play a more prominent role, which he is incapable of doing. His being injured and potentially out might be a blessing. I'd rather watch Lewis and/or Awuzie play and get better than watch Carroll give 10 yard cushions and get whipped all over the field.

 

[The Natural]

I actually wanted to trade a 2nd for Sherman

 

[Sydla]

Already hedging. You left out Scandrick.

I didn't leave out Scandrick. He's a vet player and you know what you get from him when he comes back. The future of this secondary this year largely resides on the shoulders of the younger players now - Brown, Awuzie and Lewis. If one or two can't step up and play much better, this secondary, as presently constructed is going to struggle even with Scandrick back.

Plus Scandrick is likely going to be playing with a cast for awhile, so his effectiveness might be limited a bit as well. He's also an injury issue so can he be counted on for the rest of the games this year?

So it really comes down to those three other CBs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't leave out Scandrick. He's a vet player and you know what you get from him when he comes back. The future of this secondary this year largely resides on the shoulders of the younger players now - Brown, Awuzie and Lewis. If one or two can't step up and play much better, this secondary, as presently constructed is going to struggle even with Scandrick back.

Needing a vet player has been part of the narrative you have been yapping about. Further if he plays well, then the issue is mitigated severely.

As for you hedging your bets this is precisely what I am talking about with you relishing in fearmongering. You are not even confident in your take yet you sure do love to handwave at the worst possible outcome.

 

[Sydla]

Needing a vet player has been part of the narrative you have been yapping about. Further if he plays well, then the issue is mitigated severely.

As for you hedging your bets this is precisely what I am talking about with you relishing in fearmongering. You are not even confident in your take yet you sure do love to handwave at the worst possible outcome.

Needing more THAN ONE vet player is what I have been yapping about. They needed to bring in another quality vet CB to go with the three youngsters. Carroll wasn't and never was going to be that guy. He blows.

And I didn't hedge my bets. I don't think you even understand what that means. Saying I will admit I am wrong and take my lumps isn't hedging my bet. It's stating that if I am wrong, I will admit it. That's a concept you often fail at and I am sure many posters will agree.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My fault for not being specific? LOL. I figured a learned football man and self-professed NFL expert like yourself would know that there are two McCourty's in the NFL and one of them is actually a CB.

You are a peach.

And I did address the injury issue. You were responding when I edited my post. Injuries to Awuzie and Scandrick don't change the fact that Carroll was a poor signing. He's a below average CB. In fact, injuries to Awuzie and Scandrick highlight just how bad a signing he was because he was going to be asked to play a more prominent role, which he is incapable of doing. His being injured and potentially out might be a blessing. I'd rather watch Lewis and/or Awuzie play and get better than watch Carroll give 10 yard cushions and get whipped all over the field.

You just admitted that there were two McCourty's you made my case. Thanks. I said that you needed more than 1 FA to choose from to have a realistic chance at getting 1 ie the market was crap.

You should try to complete your thoughts and review your posts before spamming them out then. It makes you appear scatterbrained.

We get that you are still butthurt about Carroll. However had those two injuries had not happened the secondary issues would not have been as bad as they were. Carroll was just fine the week before.

You have abandoned completely the argument about your plan. Cherry picking after the fact and having 1 valid option is no option at all. By doing so you admit that your plan was ****.

You have abandoned the argument that starting quality corners are not going to come here given how they were to be replaced. YOu definitely struggle with the notion of a bridge player.