You Will Never Draft The Next Patrick Mahomes If You Handcuff Yourself To Alex Smith

BigCowboysHomer said:
It doesn't even have to be another Patrick Mahomes or cost a first round pick.

You Will Never Draft The Next Jalen Hurts If You Handcuff Yourself To Carson Wentz

Unfortunately, Jerry Jones is obsessed with proving he is a football guy by finding diamonds in the rough. Whether it is with undrafted Tony Romo or 4th round Dak, or with under-qualified Jason Garrett or Kellen Moore, Jerry wants to prove to the NFL that he is such a good judge of football talent that he finds guys that the real football professionals in the league overlooked, and therefore he is more football smart than the true professionals. And he is stubborn, giving guys who don't quite have "it" too much time to prove Jerry right. If he was smarter he would hedge his bets by having a plan B and plan C, but maybe it is his background in the oil industry that gives him his all or nothing approach.

I disagree with people who say Jerry doesn't want to win and only cares about money. He wants to win, but if and only if doing so also proves to the league that he is as football smart as any of them. Hiring a professional GM might allow the team to win a championship, but then Jerry would have to share the credit with the GM, and that is unacceptable. Jerry has been trying to do this too long to change now. He thinks next year will be the year he will finally prove to the league he is just as football smart as they are. And if not next year then the year after that. Or the year after that.
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OMG I think you are right and its scary lol.
 
DandyDon1722 said:
I think you should at least consider this. Yes, Mahomes is generational, the best I've ever seen, ever.

However, you have to admit the position has evolved and Mahomes "like" QB's might not be so rare. Kids in high school have 1500 reps in spread offenses between games and camps before they even get to college. Caleb Williams could be awesome (or a bust) but you are seeing things from QB's like Josh Allen we just haven't seen before.

So I think the possibility of finding a good to great QB is not as far-fetched as it once was and the league could have 8-10 great QB's at any one time.

But at the very least, the organization owes its fan base hope by drafting a QB, even if it's in a later round
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yes but the problem for cowboys is, if you finish 12-5 your going to be drafting too low to get a top round qb.
you may be able to trade up, but no guarantee on that.
Then you have to pick the right guy.

It is much easier to just stick with dak than to risk trading up losing picks, and then maybe they pick the wrong guy.
jones boys are going to take the safe easy route everytime.
But they should be looking at qb's who wont go high in 1st round, and try to find a good one there and get him, let him be bkup for a year
and see if he pans out, then if so they could let dak go and go with the cheap 2nd year guy.
 
Are you kidding? at this point handcuff me to Alex Smith:muttley:
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I see many fans here simply satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a few regular season games.

The Chiefs made the playoffs the year they traded up to draft Mahomes and the rest is history.

We all know that if the situations would have been reversed we'd have fans here saying things like "Alex Smith's don't just grow on trees! We made the playoffs! You just need to get him help at WR and OL. If we do that we're good!"

It's impossible to know if you're getting the next Mahomes or the next Manziel, but you're never going to know unless you actually try.

The Cowboys FO biggest issue is handcuffing itself to mediocrity and becoming comfortable in it. That's not just with the QB position either. However, the QB position needs to be taken seriously. We've not taken a QB in the 1st round since Aikman. I'd much rather us try on the unknown talent then handcuff ourselves to mediocrity.
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Problem is :
Did Alex Smith have an albatross of a contract?
How can we move off of Dak without cutting half the roster ?
We can start drafting possible replacements as those contracts are cheap.
Certainly cant sign/trade a big name QB like Arod .
 
They also grabbed Andy Reid when he was foolishly let go…
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I see many fans here simply satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a few regular season games.

The Chiefs made the playoffs the year they traded up to draft Mahomes and the rest is history.

We all know that if the situations would have been reversed we'd have fans here saying things like "Alex Smith's don't just grow on trees! We made the playoffs! You just need to get him help at WR and OL. If we do that we're good!"

It's impossible to know if you're getting the next Mahomes or the next Manziel, but you're never going to know unless you actually try.

The Cowboys FO biggest issue is handcuffing itself to mediocrity and becoming comfortable in it. That's not just with the QB position either. However, the QB position needs to be taken seriously. We've not taken a QB in the 1st round since Aikman. I'd much rather us try on the unknown talent then handcuff ourselves to mediocrity.
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Agree. I think they have to bite the bullet on salary and begin the search. In the meantime, a run-oriented team based on Cooper Rush would probably get them to the same exact spot.
 
MyFairLady said:
When the guy who drafts a player never changes the player will never change. When organizations change direction it starts at the top and filters down. Nothing changes at the top of this organization so there is no impetus for change to filter down. Our 80 year old drunken clown who leads the team falls in love with his players and wants so badly to be their best friend he will enable any behavior, he will hand over any contract, he will waste roster spots, he will do whatever is necessary to keep his guys and keep them happy.
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Damn is he only 80?
 
Risen Star said:
It's not enough for you all to want to finally move on from Prescott. I want you to hate him. Thoroughly and completely. I want your fists to ball up in rage at the sight of his fraud face.

Only then will my job be complete here.
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Sorry I got not hate for the guy. He played the hand he was dealt and took the money by beating Jerry at poker. Good for him. What has plagued the Cowboys has always been Jones and his mindless hubris.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Would’ve set us back 10 years.
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Really, because LA and Philly did move up for those guys. They each have won a superbowl since then and Philly is in line for another.

Setting us back 10 years is sticking with what doesn't work like Garrette and Dak.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I see many fans here simply satisfied with making the playoffs and winning a few regular season games.

The Chiefs made the playoffs the year they traded up to draft Mahomes and the rest is history.

We all know that if the situations would have been reversed we'd have fans here saying things like "Alex Smith's don't just grow on trees! We made the playoffs! You just need to get him help at WR and OL. If we do that we're good!"

It's impossible to know if you're getting the next Mahomes or the next Manziel, but you're never going to know unless you actually try.

The Cowboys FO biggest issue is handcuffing itself to mediocrity and becoming comfortable in it. That's not just with the QB position either. However, the QB position needs to be taken seriously. We've not taken a QB in the 1st round since Aikman. I'd much rather us try on the unknown talent then handcuff ourselves to mediocrity.
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Exactly! My issue isn't having Dak on the team, he's a good guy and the kind of QB I'd expect Dallas to have while they continue to look for the next franchise QB. My issue is Jerry and the media making a star out of him and they quit looking for the next franchise QB. No bueno.

It's either that or they go the San Fran/ Philthy route and build a team that isn't passing QB centric,,,
 
DandyDon52 said:
yes but the problem for cowboys is, if you finish 12-5 your going to be drafting too low to get a top round qb.
you may be able to trade up, but no guarantee on that.
Then you have to pick the right guy.

It is much easier to just stick with dak than to risk trading up losing picks, and then maybe they pick the wrong guy.
jones boys are going to take the safe easy route everytime.
But they should be looking at qb's who wont go high in 1st round, and try to find a good one there and get him, let him be bkup for a year
and see if he pans out, then if so they could let dak go and go with the cheap 2nd year guy.
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Completely agree.

From now on a draft pick of some kind should be used on a QB at the very least to give the fan base something to cling to.
 
His name is Caleb Williams.

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And as many here have stated, we’re missing the Andy Reid part. McCarthy is not that guy.
 
Ken said:
No.

Looking for more examples of someone ditching a qb and drafting an Elite qb.
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NE had bledsoe who had been to a Super bowl. Didn't stop them from drafting Brady

GB had Favre (the other QB in that super bowl against Bledsoe). A super bowl champ QB. Went ahead and drafted Rodgers anyhow

The aforementioned chiefs upgrading from Smith to Mahomes


4 time Super Bowl winner Joe Montana was let go for Steve Young who eventually became a HOF QB as well

4 that came to mind off the cuff. I'm sure there are other examples.

Those 4 "replacement" QBs have a total of 10 Lombardi's between them. and Mahomes is far from finished

The guys they replaced? Half that many Lombardi's combined

Thoughts?
 
BoysForLife said:
NE had bledsoe who had been to a Super bowl. Didn't stop them from drafting Brady

GB had Favre (the other QB in that super bowl against Bledsoe). A super bowl champ QB. Went ahead and drafted Rodgers anyhow

The aforementioned chiefs upgrading from Smith to Mahomes


4 time Super Bowl winner Joe Montana was let go for Steve Young who eventually became a HOF QB as well

4 that came to mind off the cuff. I'm sure there are other examples.

Those 4 "replacement" QBs have a total of 10 Lombardi's between them. and Mahomes is far from finished

The guys they replaced? Half that many Lombardi's combined

Thoughts?
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Other than smith...the other examples were of great qbs long in the tooth.

Not exactly like was KC did or Philly.
 
Ken said:
Other than smith...the other examples were of great qbs long in the tooth.

Not exactly like was KC did or Philly
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Which matters why? Dak will be 30 this year (not exactly young) and doesn't have a fraction of the resume these guys did....

Montana's last full year starting was 14-1 and an NFC title game loss

Favres last year in GB, 13-3 and an NFC title game appearance

Two HOF QBs who went a combined 27-4 and finished 1 game away from the Super Bowl in their last full seasons were sent packing.

And we think it's "too risky" to part ways with Dak?
 
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