Young outruns the field, is top offensive rookie

[Wrangler87]

I guess everyone should just discount the fact that the Titans were 0-5 with him on the bench, and 8-3 with him as a starter.

Do you discount whether the same thing would have happened with Collins or Volek?

8 kickreturns and 3 defensive TD's make wining a game a lot easier.

Romo would probably be undefeated if he had 11 touchdowns to his aid.

 

[T-New41]

Young is popular.

No one mentions the Titans 8 kick returns for TD's.

Three defensive TD's.

Travis Henry running unconcious.

Improved defense.

I think those things had a bit more to do with the wins than a QB with a 60 something QB Rating and more interceptions than touchdowns.

Maybe the team's attitude changed when he was put into the starting lineup. In fact, many of their players have been quoted as saying that when he became starter, everyone started to believe they could win any game.

I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but there is a clear difference in the running game #'s pre-vince and post-vince. Hint, they are MUCH better. A lot of it is due to Henry, but to discount Vince's effect would be a fallacy.

The team was dead in the water and wallowing in the bottom of the league with the likes of the Lions and Raiders. After Vince became starter, they came 1 win away from a playoff berth.

He deserved the award for the impact he made on his team.

 

[Wrangler87]

Just think the Texans could have easily and should have drafted Vince Young.

They could have had both defensive and offensive rookie of the year.

Oh well at least they have Carr...:laugh2:

Carr actually played at a higher level than Young did his Rookie season. Four years from now, you may be able to insert Young into your sentence.

 

[Wrangler87]

Maybe the team's attitude changed when he was put into the starting lineup. In fact, many of their players have been quoted as saying that when he became starter, everyone started to believe they could win any game.

I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but there is a clear difference in the running game #'s pre-vince and post-vince. Hint, they are MUCH better. A lot of it is due to Henry, but to discount Vince's effect would be a fallacy.

The team was dead in the water and wallowing in the bottom of the league with the likes of the Lions and Raiders. After Vince became starter, they came 1 win away from a playoff berth.

He deserved the award for the impact he made on his team.

Maybe, but Henry was the running catalyst, and he was suffering from injuries through most of the first half of the season. So, that could make a difference as well.

 

[T-New41]

Do you discount whether the same thing would have happened with Collins or Volek?

8 kickreturns and 3 defensive TD's make wining a game a lot easier.

Romo would probably be undefeated if he had 11 touchdowns to his aid.

I wish we could get help like that. But you want to say the Titans defense is the reason for the turn around? They were the statistically last ranked defense in the league.

 

[theogt]

184/357 (51.5%)

2199 Yards (6.16 YPA)

Passing TDs - 12

Interceptions - 13

Passer Rating - 66.7

Impressive!

 

[Da Hammer]

Very well deserved and the first of many awards that Vince Young will win in his NFL career. I'm shocked that the media didnt have Reggie Bush closer and steal the award from him like they did the Heismann trophy, although it has become a joke award so i'm not suprised... Is Vince Young a finished product??? Of course not but that just speaks volumes of the potential that he has and the guy is gonna be impossible to stop in a couple of years. GO VINCE!!!!

 

[Bleu Star]

If you take out the lore of the Giants game, do you still think he wins the award?

Yes. Vince Young is going to terrorize defensive coordinators for many years to come. Rookies don't do what he did this year. It just does not happen. (especially at the QB position)

 

[superpunk]

Romo would probably be undefeated if he had 11 touchdowns to his aid.

Or if Ernie Sims had started to tackle him, then inexplicably let go, allowing him to waltz into the end zone. :laugh2:

Not being a Titans fan, or even caring about them in any way, I don't watch him, or watch their games on shortcuts. People see him winning a few games in last second, dramatic fashion, and forget that he was part of the reason the team was losing in the first place. That's probably the reason for the runaway vote. He was clutch, but it would be nicer if he wasn't crap before he needed to be clutch.

Just an idea. The same thing fooled people into thinking Eli was ever going to be an NFL QB. The SAME thing. I saw through that one - with Vince, I don't know. I also don't care. So, whatever.... :

 

[T-New41]

Or if Ernie Sims had started to tackle him, then inexplicably let go, allowing him to waltz into the end zone. :laugh2:

Not being a Titans fan, or even caring about them in any way, I don't watch him, or watch their games on shortcuts. People see him winning a few games in last second, dramatic fashion, and forget that he was part of the reason the team was losing in the first place. That's probably the reason for the runaway vote. He was clutch, but it would be nicer if he wasn't crap before he needed to be clutch.

Just an idea. The same thing fooled people into thinking Eli was ever going to be an NFL QB. The SAME thing. I saw through that one - with Vince, I don't know. I also don't care. So, whatever.... :

Just curious as how you think he was part of the reason for losing in the 1st place, as he began the 1st 5 games on the bench, when they were 0-5.

 

[Wrangler87]

I've got my point across. I must leave the forum for a while, but I would love to stay and argue this with some of you. The evidence certainly is in my favor.

Congrats to Young for winning the popularity contest. It's not his fault.

Congrats to the media for keeping his passing problems buried. I guess I'm the only one who noticed.

Too bad to Colston who actually deserved it.


By the way, Go Irish. Upset of the Bowl season.

 

[gbrittain]

I'm right here. Popularity contest? Who else was there? Colston probably deserved it, but no one has his jersey, so......

It does not change the fact that he is the lowest rated starting QB in the entire NFL. The entire NFL. That's lower than Harrington, Frye, Garrard, Alex Smith, Grossman.....the list goes on. Everyone. Why is the media so reluctant to bring up this point? They have kept it kind of buried, huh? Quincy Carter finished his Rookie season with a better QB rating than Vince Young.

Oh, so he runs for a lot of yards. Is he a RB? When did the last "running QB" win a Super Bowl? QB's throw the ball, and run only when they have to.

Flat out popularity vote.

Four years from now, if he doesn't develop a passing game, he will be in the same place Vick is. Everyone will be wondering why he never became the Hall of Fame QB the media dubbed him as. I have some advice for him. Establish yourself as a passer. You have a long way to go.

Look, he was voted rookie of the year. Not HOFer of the year, not MVP of the league or any other ridiculous award.

He was awarded rookie of the year. He has much improvement to do before he has arrived. However, for a rookie which is what the award is for, he was very deserving.

If you look at his stats in only the games the Titans won you will see his QB rating was 85.6, 87.4, 66.7, 107.9, 72.6, 73.6, 70.1, and 127.7 respectively. Pretty respectable for a rookie.

The guy is supposed to still be playing college football for team that does not even run a pro offense.

Yeah, the guy has a long way to go but he has also come a long way in a very short period of time.

 

[theogt]

Or if Ernie Sims had started to tackle him, then inexplicably let go, allowing him to waltz into the end zone. :laugh2:

Not being a Titans fan, or even caring about them in any way, I don't watch him, or watch their games on shortcuts. People see him winning a few games in last second, dramatic fashion, and forget that he was part of the reason the team was losing in the first place. That's probably the reason for the runaway vote. He was clutch, but it would be nicer if he wasn't crap before he needed to be clutch.

Just an idea. The same thing fooled people into thinking Eli was ever going to be an NFL QB. The SAME thing. I saw through that one - with Vince, I don't know. I also don't care. So, whatever.... :

On the game winning drive against the Texans he had a wide open receiver for a TD, and I'm talking WIDE OPEN. There wasn't a player within 10 yards of him.

What does he do? He brings the ball down and runs for 30 yards. 9 times out of 10 that decision bites you in the arse. People use it as a reason to back up the Vince Young love, but in my opinion that was bone-headed play that show his biggest weakness.

 

[Da Hammer]

184/357 (51.5%)

2199 Yards (6.16 YPA)

Passing TDs - 12

Interceptions - 13

Passer Rating - 66.7

Impressive!

of course you didnt add his record as a starter, his rushing yards, and most importantly some things that are much more important that arent stats. which are his leadership, poise, his will to win, and dedication to the game!!!

 

[superpunk]

Just curious as how you think he was part of the reason for losing in the 1st place, as he began the 1st 5 games on the bench, when they were 0-5.

That's not what I said. Say you throw two picks early, and lead a great comeback. What's shown on sportscenter? They'll show your great comeback, and you hitting your wide open receivers against a prevent defense, ignoring the fact that your mistakes are the reason your team is losing in the first place. See what I'm saying? Eli got away with this for two years. He'd suck and lead the team (who had kept him close, despite his mistakes) to a comeback late. So, everyone says "Elway" "Montana" "The Next Great One" "He's arrived"....this year, his team couldn't keep him close. So now, everyone knows he just sucks.

I'm not saying that's the case with Young. There's no way for me to know. It's just a theory.

 

[theogt]

Congrats to Young for winning the popularity contest. It's not his fault.

Precisely. I'm sure there were goons out attempting to justify Vick's last couple of pro-bowl selections as well.

 

[Da Hammer]

I've got my point across. I must leave the forum for a while, but I would love to stay and argue this with some of you. The evidence certainly is in my favor.

Congrats to Young for winning the popularity contest. It's not his fault.

Congrats to the media for keeping his passing problems buried. I guess I'm the only one who noticed.

Too bad to Colston who actually deserved it.


By the way, Go Irish. Upset of the Bowl season.

:laugh2: between your dumb argument for why Vince Young won (when the media was constantly hating him and were saying that he would be a bust b4 the season) and actually thinking the Irish have a shot today well that totally crushes your credibility :laugh2:

 

[theogt]

:laugh2: between your dumb argument for why Vince Young won (when the media was constantly hating him and were saying that he would be a bust b4 the season) and actually thinking the Irish have a shot today well that totally crushes your credibility :laugh2:

Vince Young is a media darling. Very few people were willing to speak out against him. Merrill Hodge is the only one I can think of.

 

[gbrittain]

That's not what I said. Say you throw two picks early, and lead a great comeback. What's shown on sportscenter? They'll show your great comeback, and you hitting your wide open receivers against a prevent defense, ignoring the fact that your mistakes are the reason your team is losing in the first place. See what I'm saying? Eli got away with this for two years. He'd suck and lead the team (who had kept him close, despite his mistakes) to a comeback late. So, everyone says "Elway" "Montana" "The Next Great One" "He's arrived"....this year, his team couldn't keep him close. So now, everyone knows he just sucks.

I'm not saying that's the case with Young. There's no way for me to know. It's just a theory.

Can't you say that about all the QBs who have great come from behing victories underneath their belt such as John Elway, Joe Montana, Roger Staubach and etcetera?

If you have to come from behind good chance you did not take advantage of the previous 3 quarters of football or made some mistakes in them. I am sure there are exceptions, but I do not think it would be fair to single out Vince Young for his come from behind heroics.

 

[Bleu Star]

of course you didnt add his record as a starter, his rushing yards, and most importantly some things that are much more important that arent stats. which are his leadership, poise, his will to win, and dedication to the game!!!

I'm right there with ya man. He's the real deal. I'm not sure what everyone else is talking about. I've watched some of their games just because, at times, they were the best games on when the Cowboys weren't playing. Thanks to Sunday Ticket I got to see some of these incredible performances. I really think Fisher, Chow, and Young have a really good thing going in TEN. Ledale White wasn't too shabby either.