Your All-Pro Team

[like a dog]

It's slow so this should be fun. You can choose whatever base offense you want (i.e. pro set, singleback ace set, singleback, etc.) and either a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive alingment (or even the 5-2, which Arizona is experimenting with in some situations!). Try and assemble your team so that each player is well-fitted for his role so as to get the best possible squad. I think it will be interesting the combinations people come up with. Note: This team is only going to play one game, so choose who you think are the best right now. Here is mine:

Offense - Singleback, Ace Set

QB - Petyon Manning, 6'5''/230, Colts
HB - Ladanian Tomilson, 5'10''/220, Chargers
FL - Randy Moss, 6'4''/210, Raiders
H-Back - Tony Gonzalez, 6'5''/250, Chiefs
LT - Jonathan Ogden, 6'9''/345, Ravens
LG - Alan Faneca, 6'5''/310, Steelers
C - Jeff Hartings, 6'3''/300, Steelers
RG - Will Shields, 6'3''/320, Chiefs
RT - Mike Williams, 6'6''/360, Bills
TE - Jason Witten, 6'5''/260, Cowboys
SE - Chad Johnson, 6'1''/195, Bengals

Defense - 4-3, Aggresive One-Gap Scheme

LE - Julius Peppers, 6'6''/285, Panthers
DT, 1 Technique - Marcus Stroud, 6'6''/315, Jaguars
DT, 3 Technique - Richard Seymour, 6'6''/310, Patriots
RE - Dwight Freeny, 6'1''/268, Colts
SLB - Keith Brooking, 6'2''/245, Falcons
MLB - Ray Lewis, 6'1''/245, Ravens
WLB - Keith Bulluck, 6'3''/235, Titans
LCB - Chris McCalister, 6'1''/206, Ravens
FS - Ed Reed, 5'11''/200, Ravens
SS - Roy Williams, 6'0''/225, Cowboys
RCB - Sheldon Brown, 5'10''/200, Eagles

 

[jterrell]

You did a very good job.
Some are arguable but certainly not bad selections.

 

[Tio]

QBeyton Manning
RB:LT
FB: any help?
WR:Randy Moss
WR:Torry Holt
TE:Tony Gonzalez
OT:Walter Jones
G:AlanFaneca
C:Kevin Mawae (SP?
G:Larry Allen
OT:Jonathen Ogden

DE: Dwight Freeney
DT:Kevin WIlliams
DT:Shaun Rogers
DE:Julius Peppers

OLB: Derrick Brooks
MLB:Ray Lewis
OLB:Keith Bulluck

CB:Chris Mcallister
CB:Shaun Springs

FS:Ed Reed
SS:Roy WIlliams

 

[laythewood28]

QB-Vick. super fast. Cannon for an arm. Runner up Tom brady-all he does is win.

RB- Tomlinson Runner-up Curtis Martin-consistent

WR- moss/owens

LT-OGDEN
LG-LARRY ALLEN-BEST LINEMAN EVER
C-MAWAE
RG-rivera
RT-tarik glenn
te-witten

De's-kearse-speed/strahan-power
dt's-jenkins/glover
LB-lewis.suggs,bullock
cb's-Bailey/surtain
fs-Reed-BEST/Williams-one word:ouch

 

[like a dog]

QBeyton Manning
RB:LT
FB: any help?
WR:Randy Moss
WR:Torry Holt
TE:Tony Gonzalez
OT:Walter Jones
G:AlanFaneca
C:Kevin Mawae (SP?
G:Larry Allen
OT:Jonathen Ogden

DE: Dwight Freeney
DT:Kevin WIlliams
DT:Shaun Rogers
DE:Julius Peppers

OLB: Derrick Brooks
MLB:Ray Lewis
OLB:Keith Bulluck

CB:Chris Mcallister
CB:Shaun Springs

FS:Ed Reed
SS:Roy WIlliams

One problem I see is that you have two smallish speed guys at OLB, both of whom are better fitted to playing WLB. I don't think you'd ideally want Brooks or Bulluck playing over the tightend.

Mawae is a good pick, and your tackle combination of Jones and Ogden is downright nasty. I could see Ogden being a dominating RT. I choose Shields over Allen because I think Shields is aging better and not breaking down and missing blocks in space like Allen is doing.

Shaun Springs? How about Brown and Bailey and Barber and Kelly? Springs seems like a strange pick.

Also, I don't know how you can leave Seymour off an All-Pro team. Either as a 4-3 3, technique or as a 3-4 elephant end he is generally considered the best defensive lineman in the NFL.

 

[like a dog]

QB-Vick. super fast. Cannon for an arm. Runner up Tom brady-all he does is win.

RB- Tomlinson Runner-up Curtis Martin-consistent

WR- moss/owens

LT-OGDEN
LG-LARRY ALLEN-BEST LINEMAN EVER
C-MAWAE
RG-rivera
RT-tarik glenn
te-witten

De's-kearse-speed/strahan-power
dt's-jenkins/glover
LB-lewis.suggs,bullock
cb's-Bailey/surtain
fs-Reed-BEST/Williams-one word:ouch

Vick is an interesting pick. He hasn't put up the numbers others have, but he means more to his team then any other player. He changes the complexion of the game in so many ways. Still, I think he is too inconsistent to be considered #1. Manning and Brady and Culpepper (whom I almost picked) are all better.

Owens is a good pick. For me it came down to him, Chad or Andre Johnson. I almost went with Andre Johnson, but I kept getting flashbacks of Chad just schooling Champ Bailey on that Monday Nighter. So I went with him.

Rivera is good, but there are a lot of guards who are better. Faneca, Shields, Brian Waters, Steve Hutchinson, even Mike Whale his teamate in Green Bay.

Glenn is a poor fit at RT. He is a finesse type pass blocker, not the nasty drive blocker you want at RT.

If you are going for a speed rusher how could you possibly pass on Dwight Freeney? Even Rice and Taylor are better then Kearse.

Strahan would have been a good pick three years ago, but Peppers has surpassed him at this point IMO.

I would have respected that Jenkins pick last year, but coming off a bad injury he is a questionable pick. Word is that he is way overweight and has been battling alcoholism. There are alot of players better then Glover like Seymour, Williams, Stroud, Henderson, etc. I think you are being a bit of a homer with his selection.

Suggs? He was not ever very good in coverage and has been moved back to his more natural end position. Not a very good choice as a SLB IMO.

Your corners are interesting picks. I think that they have both slipped a little but they are still in that elite class. Not as good as Brown or McCallister though.

 

[scottsp]

It's slow so this should be fun. You can choose whatever base offense you want (i.e. pro set, singleback ace set, singleback, etc.) and either a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive alingment (or even the 5-2, which Arizona is experimenting with in some situations!). Try and assemble your team so that each player is well-fitted for his role so as to get the best possible squad. I think it will be interesting the combinations people come up with. Note: This team is only going to play one game, so choose who you think are the best right now. Here is mine:

Offense - Singleback, Ace Set

QB - Petyon Manning, 6'5''/230, Colts
HB - Ladanian Tomilson, 5'10''/220, Chargers
FL - Randy Moss, 6'4''/210, Raiders
H-Back - Tony Gonzalez, 6'5''/250, Chiefs
LT - Jonathan Ogden, 6'9''/345, Ravens
LG - Alan Faneca, 6'5''/310, Steelers
C - Jeff Hartings, 6'3''/300, Steelers
RG - Will Shields, 6'3''/320, Chiefs
RT - Mike Williams, 6'6''/360, Bills
TE - Jason Witten, 6'5''/260, Cowboys
SE - Chad Johnson, 6'1''/195, Bengals

Defense - 4-3, Aggresive One-Gap Scheme

LE - Julius Peppers, 6'6''/285, Panthers
DT, 1 Technique - Marcus Stroud, 6'6''/315, Jaguars
DT, 3 Technique - Richard Seymour, 6'6''/310, Patriots
RE - Dwight Freeny, 6'1''/268, Colts
SLB - Keith Brooking, 6'2''/245, Falcons
MLB - Ray Lewis, 6'1''/245, Ravens
WLB - Keith Bulluck, 6'3''/235, Titans
LCB - Chris McCalister, 6'1''/206, Ravens
FS - Ed Reed, 5'11''/200, Ravens
SS - Roy Williams, 6'0''/225, Cowboys
RCB - Sheldon Brown, 5'10''/200, Eagles

I like this a lot. Why? Kickers do not belong. This is a football team! Good job.

Certain folk 'round here might argue with the bolded part. Because after all, only the 3-4 alignment allows you to be "aggressive."

Heh heh.

 

[dboyz]

QB: Daunte Culpepper
LT: Walter Jones
LG: Edwin Mulitalo
C: Kevin Mawae
RG: Alan Faneca
RT: Jonathan Ogden
TE: Tony Gonzales
TE: Jason Witten
WR: Terrell Owens
WR: Andre Johnson
TB: L. Tomlinson

DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Jason Ferguson
DT: Kevin Williams
DE: Richard Seymour
SLB: Keith Brooking
MLB: Brian Urlacher
WLB: Derrick Brooks
SS: Roy Williams
FS: Ed Reed
CB: Chris McCallister
CB: Terence Newman (homer pick)

to be different, I went with a two tight-end offense with a power running game. On defense, I have a big physical front four with speed at the linebacker position.

 

[blindzebra]

QB-Vick. super fast. Cannon for an arm. Runner up Tom brady-all he does is win.

RB- Tomlinson Runner-up Curtis Martin-consistent

WR- moss/owens

LT-OGDEN
LG-LARRY ALLEN-BEST LINEMAN EVER
C-MAWAE
RG-rivera
RT-tarik glenn
te-witten

De's-kearse-speed/strahan-power
dt's-jenkins/glover
LB-lewis.suggs,bullock
cb's-Bailey/surtain
fs-Reed-BEST/Williams-one word:ouch

It's all-pro not all-hype, Vick would be great if you were running the old Steelers Slash attack.

 

[like a dog]

QB: Daunte Culpepper
LT: Walter Jones
LG: Edwin Mulitalo
C: Kevin Mawae
RG: Alan Faneca
RT: Jonathan Ogden
TE: Tony Gonzales
TE: Jason Witten
WR: Terrell Owens
WR: Andre Johnson
TB: L. Tomlinson

DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Jason Ferguson
DT: Kevin Williams
DE: Richard Seymour
SLB: Keith Brooking
MLB: Brian Urlacher
WLB: Derrick Brooks
SS: Roy Williams
FS: Ed Reed
CB: Chris McCallister
CB: Terence Newman (homer pick)

to be different, I went with a two tight-end offense with a power running game. On defense, I have a big physical front four with speed at the linebacker position.

Funny, I used a two tight end offense as well.

I almost picked Culpepper. Dr. Z, who I think is as good an analyst as there is, says that he think Culpepper is the most talented versatile QB in the NFL. It is just hard to ignore what Manning has done and how he keeps getting better every year.

Muitalo? He certainly fits the mold of a road grader at guard but struggles in pass protection. Hardly All-Pro material. I'd look at Toniu Fonoti from San Diego if you want a pure road grader. Not only is he a better masher, but he is a far superior all-around player.

Hard to argue with your receivers. Johnson is the most physically dominating receiver in the NFL.

Your defensive line is great except for Fergueson. He is not at that level IMO. There are a lot of guys such as Stroud, Henderson, and Rogers who are better. If you slipped Seymour inside and added Freeny (how do you not include the most devastating pass rusher in the NFL?) you would have a powerful line.

Brooks is a good pick. A few years ago he would have been a hands down, slam dunk pick, but I think Bullucks has passed him. Another guy to consider at WLB is Donnie Edwards. He plays inside in San Diego's 3-4 now, but he is a monster against the run and, especially, in coverage.

Urlacher? Bleh. Give me Lewis, or Al Wilson or Farrior or even Trotter or Jonathan Vilma.

Your right, Terrance Newman is a homer pick. He has as much natural talent as anybody in the NFL, but has yet to put it together. Lots of guys are better.

 

[Alexander]

QB-Vick. super fast. Cannon for an arm.

You forgot accuracy of Babe Laufenberg.

 

[Mr. S]

QB - Peyton Manning
RB - Tomlinson
FB - Chris Cooley
WR - Randy Moss
WR - Chad Johnson
TE - Antonio Gates
LT - Cheifs LT
LG - Cheifs LG
C - Mawae
RG - Faneca
RT - Cheifs RT (the Cheifs get the job done on offense, especially with their line)

LE - Peppers
DT - Griffin
DT - Kris Jenkins
RE - Freeney
OLB - Marcus Washington
MLB - Ray Lewis
OLB - Derrick Brooks
CB - Shawn Springs
CB - Nate Clements
FS - Sean Taylor
SS - Ed Reed

Kicker - Vanderjagt
Punter - Tom Tupa

 

[dbair1967]

QB - Peyton Manning
RB - Tomlinson
FB - Chris Cooley
WR - Randy Moss
WR - Chad Johnson
TE - Antonio Gates
LT - Cheifs LT
LG - Cheifs LG
C - Mawae
RG - Faneca
RT - Cheifs RT (the Cheifs get the job done on offense, especially with their line)

LE - Peppers
DT - Griffin
DT - Kris Jenkins
RE - Freeney
OLB - Marcus Washington
MLB - Ray Lewis
OLB - Derrick Brooks
CB - Shawn Springs
CB - Nate Clements
FS - Sean Taylor
SS - Ed Reed

Kicker - Vanderjagt
Punter - Tom Tupa

Chris "I cant believe anyone gave up a 2nd rd pick to get me" Cooley? Shawn "where's Patrick Crayton?" Springs?? Sean "drive by" Taylor?

not hard to guess what the "S" in "mr S" stands for

David

 

[like a dog]

QB - Peyton Manning
RB - Tomlinson
FB - Chris Cooley
WR - Randy Moss
WR - Chad Johnson
TE - Antonio Gates
LT - Cheifs LT
LG - Cheifs LG
C - Mawae
RG - Faneca
RT - Cheifs RT (the Cheifs get the job done on offense, especially with their line)

LE - Peppers
DT - Griffin
DT - Kris Jenkins
RE - Freeney
OLB - Marcus Washington
MLB - Ray Lewis
OLB - Derrick Brooks
CB - Shawn Springs
CB - Nate Clements
FS - Sean Taylor
SS - Ed Reed

Kicker - Vanderjagt
Punter - Tom Tupa

Well you are obviously a Commanders fan. Chris Cooley on an All Pro team!? What about Kleinsasser and Richardson and Pass and Griffith? They are all better.

Your offensive line would look like this:
LT - Willie Roaf (Still very good but not in the class of a Ogden or a Jones.)
LG - Brian Waters (One of the best young guards in the league. Interesting pick.)
C - Mawae
RG - Faneca
RT - Jordan Black (An unproven player with four starts in his carrer. Promising, but not an All-Pro.)
You could do a lot better then that.

Griffin had a good season last year. But he is certainly not an All-Pro, not even close. There are a lot of players better then him (Seymour, Stroud, Williams, Henderson, etc.). Jenkins would have been a good choice a year ago, but coming off a serious injury and with reported weight and alcohol issues he is a questionable pick.

Marcus Washington at SLB is actually your best Commander pick. He was fantastic last season. But he is not as good as Keith Brooking or as Takeo Spikes, Joey Porter, or Matt Vrabel for that matter.

Springs is not a top flight corner anymore. Clements is an intersting pick and should be good for a long time. But there are better (Bailey, Brown, Barber, Kelly).

Sean Taylor is an absurd pick. Roy Williams, Brian Dawkins, Michael Lewis, Troy Polamalu, and Rodney Harrison are all better, more proven players.

Tom Tupa is another absurd pick. What about Chris Hanson or Todd Sauerbrun? Tupa is not even in the top third of the punters in the league anymore!

 

[Tio]

Shaun Springs? How about Brown and Bailey and Barber and Kelly? Springs seems like a strange pick.

Also, I don't know how you can leave Seymour off an All-Pro team. Either as a 4-3 3, technique or as a 3-4 elephant end he is generally considered the best defensive lineman in the NFL.

Springs was the most dominant player on the Commanders defense. I thought smoot was overrated, while springs was one of, if not the only, shut down corner last season. Bailey was horrible, barber is a system corner and kelly isn't on my radar. As good as brown was last season, lito sheppard is the eagles no.1.

As for seymour, You tell me who I should take off to put him on. He can't compete with my DE's as a pass rusher, and both my DTs were dominant last season with very bad supporting casts.

 

[like a dog]

Springs was the most dominant player on the Commanders defense. I thought smoot was overrated, while springs was one of, if not the only, shut down corner last season. Bailey was horrible, barber is a system corner and kelly isn't on my radar. As good as brown was last season, lito sheppard is the eagles no.1.

Bailey was not horrible. He was very good for most of the year but had two really poor games against Cincinnati and Oakland that gave his year a bad taste. It especially hurt that his worst game, where Chad Johnson toyed with him, was a Monday nighter.

To dismiss Barber as a system corner is not doing him justice. He and Brian Kelly, the Bucs other corner, are what make Tampa's defense one of the best. Indianapolis uses Dungy's Cover 2. Why aren't Joseph Jefferson and Nick Harper routinely mentioned as potential All-Pros? It is the player that makes the system, not the system that makes the player.

Sheppard is another good corner. But, despite the fact that he made the Pro Bowl and Brown didn't (Sheppard had one more pick), pretty much everybody familiar with the two is of the opinion that Brown is the better player. He dosen't have Sheppard's return skills, but he is better in coverage and much, much better against the run. He also is a force blitzing off the corner because he hits so well.

 

[JBell]

QB - Tom Brady
RB - LaDanian Tomlinson
FB - Justin Griffith
WR - Randy Moss
WR - Terrell Owens
TE - Antonio Gates

T - Walter Jones
G - Alan Faneca
C - Kevin Mawae
G - Brian Waters (doesn't play RG but he's good)
T - Jordan Gross

DE - Dwight Freeney
DT - Kevin Williams
DT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Julius Peppers

OLB - Joey Porter
MLB - Ray Lewis
OLB - Takeo Spikes

CB - Chris McAlister
CB - Drayton Florence (not really but he's goooood)

FS - Ed Reed
SS - Roy Williams

 

[like a dog]

Springs was the most dominant player on the Commanders defense. I thought smoot was overrated, while springs was one of, if not the only, shut down corner last season. Bailey was horrible, barber is a system corner and kelly isn't on my radar. As good as brown was last season, lito sheppard is the eagles no.1.

As for seymour, You tell me who I should take off to put him on. He can't compete with my DE's as a pass rusher, and both my DTs were dominant last season with very bad supporting casts.

It dosen't matter which DT you remove. Seymour is better. Your right, he isn't the pass rusher that Peppers or Freeney is from the edge, but he is a much better pass rusher then either Williams or Rogers from the inside. He is also better against the run then Williams. Seymour is widely considered to be the best defensive lineman in the NFL. He is surely an All-Pro.

 

[Tio]

According to dr. z, bailey was 76th in deep passes allowed, and something like 72 in deep passes for touchdowns.

There are 64 starting corners in the nfl.

I have my opinion of the bucs, you have yours. I think both the scheme and have a great front seven helped.

Sheldon Brown was dominating last season. But, I think lining up with a probowl ss, fs, and cb helped.

I don't think they're bad cbs, I just think Shaun SPrings is better.

 

[like a dog]

QB - Tom Brady
RB - LaDanian Tomlinson
FB - Justin Griffith
WR - Randy Moss
WR - Terrell Owens
TE - Antonio Gates

T - Walter Jones
G - Alan Faneca
C - Kevin Mawae
G - Brian Waters (doesn't play RG but he's good)
T - Jordan Gross

DE - Dwight Freeney
DT - Kevin Williams
DT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Julius Peppers

OLB - Joey Porter
MLB - Ray Lewis
OLB - Takeo Spikes

CB - Chris McAlister
CB - Drayton Florence (not really but he's goooood)

FS - Ed Reed
SS - Roy Williams

Hard to argue with your offense. Griffith surely is a very talented, versatile fullback. I personally think that Antonio Gates is overated and not as good as Gonzalez or Witten, but hey, to each their own. He sure had a monster season last year. Waters is a great pick at guard as is Gross at tackle. I think that, for a one game scenario, there are better more established players, but Waters and Gross are certainly up there.

There is no love for Seymour. Jenkins would have been on my team a year ago, but injury and alcoholism make him a question mark. Williams is very good, but he is not as rounded as Seymour or Stroud.

I like your linebacking corps a lot. They could really get after the passer and Spikes is a nice pick at WLB. It is hard to keep Brooking off the list though: he is widely considered to be the best OLB in football.

Drayton Florence is an up and comer, but he is not even considered the best CB on his team yet. He may not even beat a healthy Sammy Davis out of a starting gig (though he probably will). Maybe in a few years, but not now.