Your Impressions of Stephon Gillmore?

CowboysRule said:
I honestly haven't been that impressed with him. He's not been bad by any means but he doesn't look like a recent DPOY.
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A couple years is a lot at his age. He’s good but he’s not Diggs. But he wasn’t brought in to be Diggs but to compliment Diggs
 
Diggs injury changed the dynamics of the entire defense. Opponents would have difficulty throwing on either side. I think if Diggs was still starting you would see Gilmore with more INT's.
 
He's not the elite athlete he once was but he's a bit better than what we had in Brown.

I hope Bland and Luepke serves to make up for the 49ers pesky advantage over Dak.
 
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To me he's been as advertised. I'm not going to knock him for being beat a few times by a 4.3 guy in the Arizona game.
 
OmerV said:
How is it facts when you start out saying one thing, then change to another when that doesn't work? Again, it seems more like an agenda than considering facts.

I completely agree that Jerry has been reluctant to sign impact free agents most years, but Cooks has been one of the more consistently productive WR's in the NFL the last 8-9 years, and Gilmore, while not at the pinnacle of his career, is still a very good CB. These guys don't have to be Justin Jefferson and Jalen Ramsey to be very good players that can help a team win.

Gilmore was a prize to get for what we gave up in the trade and what have to pay him, but the trade off is not having rights to him beyond this year.

And quit being obtuse about deal length. Short deal length is what helps make salaries manageable with the salary cap, The All Pro players from the season before aren't looking for short term deals, and to trade for ones still on long terms deals it would take giving up several top draft picks. Accordingly, plugging in with some very good players that can be acquired without great cost because they are at the end of their current contract is a reasonable strategy.

Again, this is not uncommon for teams to do.
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Again for the last time. I did not say all that. I said that Cooks and Gilmore signings were name recognition signings and not team upgrade signings. That is a fact. Neither player did their former team an upgrade and both the Colts and Houston seem better off without them.

I said signing old no upgrade veterans block the development of younger players (see Tolbert out play Cooks and Bland outplay Gilmore). I also said the team would be better off had they keep the younger and bargain priced Amari Cooper as he was and upgrade to Cooks and Lamb was not ready to be a no.1 WR without Cooper.

That is fact you can not get around based on Gilmore and Cooks play so far. You are what you are.

I also said Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is a Dumbo GM.
OmerV said:
And the only reason you gave for them not being team upgrade signings is because they are temporary plug ins who aren't at the pinnacle of their careers.

By the way, are you really arguing that Gilmore and Cooks weren't brought in to be upgrades over Anthony Brown and Noah Brown? That's an incredibly nonsensical position to take.

As for their play so far, Gilmore has been very strong, and although we haven't seen much from Cooks, a hindsight judgement 4 games into the season does not remotely prove he wasn't brought in to be an upgrade over Noah Brown. Cooks has been better than the best year of Noah Brown's career for the last 8 straight years.

As for Jerry being a "Dumbo GM", I never said otherwise. That doesn't automatically mean every move is a bad one.
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He made one good move and messed that up trading a no.1 bargain paid WR for nothing and that WR took a cheaper contract to be a Cowboy. So if you make a good move and mess it up, you did not make a good move.

You are reaching. Noah Brown has never been a no.1, or no. 2 WR. Anthony Brown was a default starter due to bad GM decisions (see Chavarious Ward), injuries, he became injured, and the Jonesboys have been drafting CB to replace him. Which is my point, Instead of putting the youth on the field, you block progress with a name and a 1 year deal. Go look at Dennis Thurman's, Everson Walls, Cornell Green, Larry Brown, and Kevin Smith's career and you will see what happens when you just play young talented players and get the old folks out the way. Do you remember Issac Holt? Larry Brown and Kevin Smith remember him going to the bench and playing their way to 2 back to back Super Bowls and a Super Bowl MVP. Gilmore is a stop gap signing that I believe is just blocking opportunities like Bland who looks like he should have started the year opposite Diggs.

There is nothing you can say or do that Jerry Dumbo GM Jones has justified himself for 30 years as a horrible GM and defato Head Coach.
 
eromeopolk said:
Again for the last time. I did not say all that. I said that Cooks and Gilmore signings were name recognition signings and not team upgrade signings. That is a fact. Neither player did their former team an upgrade and both the Colts and Houston seem better off without them.

I said signing old no upgrade veterans block the development of younger players (see Tolbert out play Cooks and Bland outplay Gilmore). I also said the team would be better off had they keep the younger and bargain priced Amari Cooper as he was and upgrade to Cooks and Lamb was not ready to be a no.1 WR without Cooper.

That is fact you can not get around based on Gilmore and Cooks play so far. You are what you are.

I also said Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is a Dumbo GM.

He made one good move and messed that up trading a no.1 bargain paid WR for nothing and that WR took a cheaper contract to be a Cowboy. So if you make a good move and mess it up, you did not make a good move.

You are reaching. Noah Brown has never been a no.1, or no. 2 WR. Anthony Brown was a default starter due to bad GM decisions (see Chavarious Ward), injuries, he became injured, and the Jonesboys have been drafting CB to replace him. Which is my point, Instead of putting the youth on the field, you block progress with a name and a 1 year deal. Go look at Dennis Thurman's, Everson Walls, Cornell Green, Larry Brown, and Kevin Smith's career and you will see what happens when you just play young talented players and get the old folks out the way. Do you remember Issac Holt? Larry Brown and Kevin Smith remember him going to the bench and playing their way to 2 back to back Super Bowls and a Super Bowl MVP. Gilmore is a stop gap signing that I believe is just blocking opportunities like Bland who looks like he should have started the year opposite Diggs.

There is nothing you can say or do that Jerry Dumbo GM Jones has justified himself for 30 years as a horrible GM and defato Head Coach.
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Man what a disassociation rant. Let the younger guys play! But keep Cooper because Lamb wasn’t ready to be a number 1. Your own example completely destroys your point.
 
ActualCowboysFan said:
Man what a disassociation rant. Let the younger guys play! But keep Cooper because Lamb wasn’t ready to be a number 1. Your own example completely destroys your point.
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Cooper was 25 years old when he signed the bargain deal to stay with the Jonesboys and 27 years old when he was traded. My point is not destroyed. Cooper would have been under contract until after the 2024 season. You got a one year progress stopper in Cooks.

That is dumbo GM decisions deserving of Arlington Jonesboys fans.
 
He’s an ok #2 but he doesn’t have the speed to hang with the best anymore. Good thing we still have Bland
 
I'm sorry, I don't do impressions.
My field is in physiology.
 
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