Your Impressions of Stephon Gillmore?

[JohnsKey19]

He’s on his last legs.

Which is fine. They acquired him for one year understanding that a 33 year old CB is going to decline rapidly at some point. You just hope we make it thru this season before that happens.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Again, your current evaluation is base on what you assume rather than what has actually happened. Had you said you need to see more to better evaluate, I would understand that, but your position is simply to say he isn't that good without having any current evidence that suggests that.

That said, they probably won't hold Purdy to 148 yards, but that wouldn't automatically mean either Gilmore or the team didn't play very well. They could give up a lot more than 148 yards and still be good.

I'm wondering if Gilmore plays well against SF, will you just move on to Philly as the next standard, all the while saying he isn't that good? Are you going to keep moving the bar until he has a bad game and then claim that game tells the story of the whole year/

You can’t bring logic to a debate based on emotion. He’s decided his position and it doesn’t matter if it is true or false it just matters that he feels it’s correct.

 

[kevm3]

Is he elite shutdown corner Gilmore? No. But he's done a solid enough job for us to put up some of the best defensive performances in Cowboys history. Glad he's on the team.

 

[eromeopolk]

So, you start out saying he bought the cool-aid, then when you find there is no long term commitment you switch gears and say he just snatched these people up for short term name value.

Seems you're more concerned with manufacturing a complaint than focusing on reality, and you're willing to keep changing your story to do so.

As for reality, signing players on short term deals isn't unique to the Cowboys and Jerry like you want to suggest (at least your most recent suggestion). No team can fill an entire roster with high level players on long term contracts at every position. It's common to have some short term commitments to improve chances in the present.

Whether long term or short, Cooks is not Amari Cooper and Gilmore is not NE Stephon Gilmore All Pro as per his production decline that got him out of NE and Indy.

That is reality. Jerry Dumbo GM Jones has not signed a meaningful impact FA since Leroy Glover and Leonard Davis. That is reality.

Short term commitments that either block young players development or getting better younger FA is only common with the Arlington Jonesboys and Jerry Dumbo GM Jones.

 

[OmerV]

Whether long term or short, Cooks is not Amari Cooper and Gilmore is not NE Stephon Gilmore All Pro as per his production decline that got him out of NE and Indy.

That is reality. Jerry Dumbo GM Jones has not signed a meaningful impact FA since Leroy Glover and Leonard Davis. That is reality.

Short term commitments that either block young players development or getting better younger FA is only common with the Arlington Jonesboys and Jerry Dumbo GM Jones.

None of this changes the fact you didn't think through the mud you slung before you started slinging, and just shifted to a different mud when the first one didn't stick.

As for Cooks not being Cooper, and Gilmore not being at the peak of his career, that's just life in the NFL. Cooper's contract was prohibitive, so the team had to go a different direction. It happens in the NFL all the time. And while Gilmore may not quite be at the same level as the peak of his career, it appears he is still playing at a high level, so where is the problem?

Ultimately, no team has elite people at the prime point in their careers at every position, so it makes no sense at all to sling mud at something that is just reality for every team. Yet you act as if there should never be a player on the team that doesn't have multiple years left on his contract, as if it is possible to have top players on long term deals at every position. To think that is to ignore reality.

 

[eromeopolk]

None of this changes the fact you didn't think through the mud you slung before you started slinging, and just shifted to a different mud when the first one didn't stick.

As for Cooks not being Cooper, and Gilmore not being at the peak of his career, that's just life in the NFL. Cooper's contract was prohibitive, so the team had to go a different direction. It happens in the NFL all the time. And while Gilmore may not quite be at the same level as the peak of his career, it appears he is still playing at a high level, so where is the problem?

Ultimately, no team has elite people at the prime point in their careers at every position, so it makes no sense at all to sling mud at something that is just reality for every team. Yet you act as if there should never be a player on the team that doesn't have multiple years left on his contract, as if it is possible to have top players on long term deals at every position. To think that is to ignore reality.

Facts not mudslinging. Look at all the players that have left the Jonesboys and got Rings and Things. Cooper has one of the cheapest Pro Bowl WR contracts in the league (if not the cheapest). I already stated and showed you he took a pay cut to stay in Arlington with the Jonesboys.

Stop making things up. You ask an opinion on Gilmore and you got one on Gilmore and Cooks. Its not the deal length. We know Jerry is cheap and is not going to try to sign players to get to a Super Bowl. Because it is about being relevant and not winning championships.

If Gilmore and Cooks suddenly make me forget Cooper, Chavarious Ward, Michael Jackson, etc. then find. But that has not happen and is not happening now. Wait till next year...oh they have one year deals.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Facts not mudslinging. Look at all the players that have left the Jonesboys and got Rings and Things. Cooper has one of the cheapest Pro Bowl WR contracts in the league (if not the cheapest). I already stated and showed you he took a pay cut to stay in Arlington with the Jonesboys.

Stop making things up. You ask an opinion on Gilmore and you got one on Gilmore and Cooks. Its not the deal length. We know Jerry is cheap and is not going to try to sign players to get to a Super Bowl. Because it is about being relevant and not winning championships.

If Gilmore and Cooks suddenly make me forget Cooper, Chavarious Ward, Michael Jackson, etc. then find. But that has not happen and is not happening now. Wait till next year...oh they have one year deals.

Where did you show any of these facts? Did you post them somewhere else?

 

[eromeopolk]

Where did you show any of these facts? Did you post them somewhere else?

Reading is fundamental. Do your own homework, I am not going to repeat myself. Go prove I am wrong.

 

[Teague31]

Eh. He’s slow. Crossing routes are open against him all the time cause he can’t keep up

 

[OmerV]

Facts not mudslinging. Look at all the players that have left the Jonesboys and got Rings and Things. Cooper has one of the cheapest Pro Bowl WR contracts in the league (if not the cheapest). I already stated and showed you he took a pay cut to stay in Arlington with the Jonesboys.

Stop making things up. You ask an opinion on Gilmore and you got one on Gilmore and Cooks. Its not the deal length. We know Jerry is cheap and is not going to try to sign players to get to a Super Bowl. Because it is about being relevant and not winning championships.

If Gilmore and Cooks suddenly make me forget Cooper, Chavarious Ward, Michael Jackson, etc. then find. But that has not happen and is not happening now. Wait till next year...oh they have one year deals.

How is it facts when you start out saying one thing, then change to another when that doesn't work? Again, it seems more like an agenda than considering facts.

I completely agree that Jerry has been reluctant to sign impact free agents most years, but Cooks has been one of the more consistently productive WR's in the NFL the last 8-9 years, and Gilmore, while not at the pinnacle of his career, is still a very good CB. These guys don't have to be Justin Jefferson and Jalen Ramsey to be very good players that can help a team win.

Gilmore was a prize to get for what we gave up in the trade and what have to pay him, but the trade off is not having rights to him beyond this year.

And quit being obtuse about deal length. Short deal length is what helps make salaries manageable with the salary cap, The All Pro players from the season before aren't looking for short term deals, and to trade for ones still on long terms deals it would take giving up several top draft picks. Accordingly, plugging in with some very good players that can be acquired without great cost because they are at the end of their current contract is a reasonable strategy.

Again, this is not uncommon for teams to do.

 

[aikemirv]

Our pick up this offseason, how are you liking what he's bringing to this team in our 3 games. What is he doing well, what can he do better? I feel like there's added pressure to him with the loss of Diggs. Please give your thoughts.....

Huge upgrade over Anthony Brown!

 

[cald0d30s0]

He is better than Anthony Brown for sure so im ok with that. He is slow, yeah but he is solid and provides knowledge to young CBs. So im happy with him. I would keep him another year.

 

[Praxit]

..not much throwing on Gilly side. He gets the respect.

 

[Praxit]

Huge upgrade over Anthony Brown!

..no lying there, bro. I liked AB too. But Gilly, gives defense that extra spark it needed.

 

[Mark]

You don't hear his name mentioned much during the game. Which is a good thing for a corner. Fantastic upgrade at that position.

 

[J-man]

He's been fine, a little less than expected for me. But I wasn't thinking he'd come in and be an all pro like some of y'all. He's old (for a DB) trying to stay with these fresh young kids all game can wear you out.

 

[eromeopolk]

How is it facts when you start out saying one thing, then change to another when that doesn't work? Again, it seems more like an agenda than considering facts.

I completely agree that Jerry has been reluctant to sign impact free agents most years, but Cooks has been one of the more consistently productive WR's in the NFL the last 8-9 years, and Gilmore, while not at the pinnacle of his career, is still a very good CB. These guys don't have to be Justin Jefferson and Jalen Ramsey to be very good players that can help a team win.

Gilmore was a prize to get for what we gave up in the trade and what have to pay him, but the trade off is not having rights to him beyond this year.

And quit being obtuse about deal length. Short deal length is what helps make salaries manageable with the salary cap, The All Pro players from the season before aren't looking for short term deals, and to trade for ones still on long terms deals it would take giving up several top draft picks. Accordingly, plugging in with some very good players that can be acquired without great cost because they are at the end of their current contract is a reasonable strategy.

Again, this is not uncommon for teams to do.

Again for the last time. I did not say all that. I said that Cooks and Gilmore signings were name recognition signings and not team upgrade signings. That is a fact. Neither player did their former team an upgrade and both the Colts and Houston seem better off without them.

I said signing old no upgrade veterans block the development of younger players (see Tolbert out play Cooks and Bland outplay Gilmore). I also said the team would be better off had they keep the younger and bargain priced Amari Cooper as he was and upgrade to Cooks and Lamb was not ready to be a no.1 WR without Cooper.

That is fact you can not get around based on Gilmore and Cooks play so far. You are what you are.

I also said Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is a Dumbo GM.

 

[OmerV]

Again for the last time. I did not say all that. I said that Cooks and Gilmore signings were name recognition signings and not team upgrade signings. That is a fact. Neither player did their former team an upgrade and both the Colts and Houston seem better off without them.

I said signing old no upgrade veterans block the development of younger players (see Tolbert out play Cooks and Bland outplay Gilmore). I also said the team would be better off had they keep the younger and bargain priced Amari Cooper as he was and upgrade to Cooks and Lamb was not ready to be a no.1 WR without Cooper.

That is fact you can not get around based on Gilmore and Cooks play so far. You are what you are.

I also said Jerry Dumbo GM Jones is a Dumbo GM.

And the only reason you gave for them not being team upgrade signings is because they are temporary plug ins who aren't at the pinnacle of their careers.

By the way, are you really arguing that Gilmore and Cooks weren't brought in to be upgrades over Anthony Brown and Noah Brown? That's an incredibly nonsensical position to take.

As for their play so far, Gilmore has been very strong, and although we haven't seen much from Cooks, a hindsight judgement 4 games into the season does not remotely prove he wasn't brought in to be an upgrade over Noah Brown. Cooks has been better than the best year of Noah Brown's career for the last 8 straight years.

As for Jerry being a "Dumbo GM", I never said otherwise. That doesn't automatically mean every move is a bad one.

 

[Rayman70]

hes been beat. But still very good. He isnt what he was a few years ago but better than AB was easily. I think in December is when we will be glad we have him. He will be tested heavily this weekend.

 

[SuspectCorner]

I think opponents would prefer to throw AWAY from Gilmore. That says plenty to me.