You've got to be kidding me, Emmitt's record not on ESPN's Top 20

EMMITTnROY

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,079
Reaction score
6,648
phillycowboyslover said:
vh1 is virtually unwatchable b/c of them.
ill never ever ever forget when VH1 counted down the top 100 Pop Culture Icons of All-Time, and who was number one? Oprah freaking Winfrey.. ahead of Elvis.. ahead of The Beatles.. ahead of Superman, Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, Michael Jordan, Muhammed Ali, and Marilyn Monroe.. worst #1 on a list ever..
 

X-Dawg

Benched
Messages
471
Reaction score
0
Here's why the Rushing title has always been slighted and will remain - 56 Games...714 Homeruns...etc....How many yards? The above average Sports fan does not know the number....it's not a number that is easily remembered ..AND many people consider Emmitt a selfish guy who kept running in blowouts....
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
X-Dawg said:
Here's why the Rushing title has always been slighted and will remain - 56 Games...714 Homeruns...etc....How many yards? The above average Sports fan does not know the number....it's not a number that is easily remembered ..AND many people consider Emmitt a selfish guy who kept running in blowouts....
Only a complete idiot would believe that. I've never heard it. Thank goodness.
 

TruBlueCowboy

New Member
Messages
7,301
Reaction score
0
X-Dawg said:
Here's why the Rushing title has always been slighted and will remain - 56 Games...714 Homeruns...etc....How many yards? The above average Sports fan does not know the number....it's not a number that is easily remembered ..AND many people consider Emmitt a selfish guy who kept running in blowouts....

Yeah, he's a selfish guy. Because we all know that the first thing an offensive coordinator does in a blowout is start throwing the ball everywhere. :rolleyes:
 

X-Dawg

Benched
Messages
471
Reaction score
0
You may not have heard it - b/c you live in Texas but MANY people I know have always felt Emmitt wanted that record so bad that he played deep into blowouts...which lets be honest he did. However - I'm not so sure that was selfish.
 

TruBlueCowboy

New Member
Messages
7,301
Reaction score
0
X-Dawg said:
You may not have heard it - b/c you live in Texas but MANY people I know have always felt Emmitt wanted that record so bad that he played deep into blowouts...which lets be honest he did. However - I'm not so sure that was selfish.

What are you talking about? You're only revealing your non-cowboy fan trollish ways the more you write. By the time the record was even possible, the Cowboys were a HORRIBLE team! They were 15-33 his last three seasons when the record began to seem possible. No blowouts here. Hell, it's a miracle he even had a chance to break it, we were so bad. Can you say 3 and out?
 

TNCowboy

Double Trouble
Messages
10,700
Reaction score
3,209
The Celtics winning 8 straight championships should be high on the list.

I'm not sure I'd call it the greatest record, but the most unbreakable record IMO is Dimaggio's hitting streak.
 

TruBlueCowboy

New Member
Messages
7,301
Reaction score
0
Double Trouble said:
The Celtics winning 8 straight championships should be high on the list.

I'm not sure I'd call it the greatest record, but the most unbreakable record IMO is Dimaggio's hitting streak.

The Celtics dynasty was on the list. I believe it was top 10.
 

big dog cowboy

THE BIG DOG
Staff member
Messages
101,807
Reaction score
112,646
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
TruBlueCowboy said:
What are you talking about? You're only revealing your non-cowboy fan trollish ways the more you write. By the time the record was even possible, the Cowboys were a HORRIBLE team! They were 15-33 his last three seasons when the record began to seem possible. No blowouts here. Hell, it's a miracle he even had a chance to break it, we were so bad. Can you say 3 and out?
:clap:
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
X-Dawg said:
You may not have heard it - b/c you live in Texas but MANY people I know have always felt Emmitt wanted that record so bad that he played deep into blowouts...which lets be honest he did. However - I'm not so sure that was selfish.
I do? Then why the hell am I stuck watching the Cardinals so often?

MANY people you know are complete idiots then.
 

X-Dawg

Benched
Messages
471
Reaction score
0
Hostile said:
I do? Then why the hell am I stuck watching the Cardinals so often?

MANY people you know are complete idiots then.
Not people I know - crtics of Emmitt on TV and Radio have said what I did...
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
X-Dawg said:
Not people I know - crtics of Emmitt on TV and Radio have said what I did...
In post #25 of this thread you said this...

X-hawg said:
MANY people I know have always felt Emmitt wanted that record so bad that he played deep into blowouts

Now it's NOT people you know, but rather people you've heard?

You wanna get your story straight and get back to me? Or would you prefer to finally get the message. If you are listening to those MANY people, then you are listening to complete idiots.

Here, let me help you so you don't hurt yourself. Look up the amount of carries Emmitt gave way to his backups later in his career when you are speculating he hung on just to get the record. And if he hung on just to get it why did he play 2 more years after he had it? Oh right, to put it more out of reach for others. ;) It had nothing to do with his love of the game. His emotions at retirement were all fake.

You might also want to take into consideration him giving way on 3rd downs to Chris Warren for several years despite being a very good receiver out of the backfield and a much better pass blocker. Oh yeah, real selfish guy.

He set a goal to break that record. Only a complete moron would fault him for reaching his goal. Tell that to these voices you are quoting the next time they speculate this stuff. It might save them from continuing the path of complete idiot.

You need to listen to better sources. Good advice.
 

DBoys

New Member
Messages
4,713
Reaction score
0
I vote X-Dawg Village Idiot of CowboyZone.

DONT DELETE MY POST PLEASE :)
 

peplaw06

That Guy
Messages
13,699
Reaction score
413
X-Dawg said:
Not people I know - crtics of Emmitt on TV and Radio have said what I did...

The more I listen to this guy, the more I wonder how you can even function in this world. With as many different opinions you adopt and spew out as your own, how can you ever know what is or isn't reality. I'm imagining somebody who flips through TV and radio channels soaking everything up and assuming it's ALL true. Think for yourself Man... snap out of it.
 

dargonking999

DKRandom
Messages
12,578
Reaction score
2,057
Hostile said:
In post #25 of this thread you said this...



Now it's NOT people you've heard but don't know?

You wanna get your story straight and get back to me? Or would you prefer to finally get the message. If you are listening to those MANY people, then you are listening to complete idiots.

Here, let me help you so you don't hurt yourself. Look up the amount of carries Emmitt gave way to his backups later in his career when you are speculating he hung on just to get the record. And if he hung on just to get it why did he play 2 more years after he had it? Oh right, to put it more out of reach for others. ;) It had nothing to do with his love of the game. His emotions at retirement were all fake.

You might also want to take into consideration him giving way on 3rd downs to Chris Warren for several years despite being a very good receiver out of the backfield and a much better pass blocker. Oh yeah, real selfish guy.

He set a goal to break that record. Only a complete moron would fault him for reaching his goal. Tell that to these voices you are quoting the next time they speculate this stuff. It might save them from continuing the path of complete idiot.

You need to listen to better sources. Good advice.


BUSTED

and Hos continues to strike down the wanna be cowboys haters
 

X-Dawg

Benched
Messages
471
Reaction score
0
Pete Prisco Nails it on the head - why this record is nothing overly great and why Emmitt was Great but not the Greatest ...
Record will confirm Emmitt's great, just not greatest
Aug. 26, 2002
By Pete Prisco
SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Tell Pete your opinion!



(SportsLine.com Two-a-Days: NFL division previews begin Aug. 29)

Barring injury, Dallas Cowboys running back Emmitt Smith will take a handoff, most likely in October, and run himself to the top of the NFL career-rushing list. He will pass the great Walter Payton and look down on the careers of the best who ever played.

Smith won't dance or prance or act the fool. He is cool beyond that, not one of those look-at-me players who have come to dominate highlight shows.


Emmitt Smith should catch Walter Payton sometime in October. (Allsport)
When he does take down the record -- he trails Payton by 539 yards -- teammates will mob him. The networks will cut to the record-breaking run as soon as it happens and Smith, in his usual classy way, will thank his family, Cowboys fans, teammates, his great offensive linemen from the past decade and anybody else he has time to mention.
What will be left then will be to decide where the feat puts Smith among the best RBs in history. The rushing yards will say he's tops, but the reality is that Smith might not even be the best back to wear the star on the side of his helmet, a distinction Tony Dorsett backers would claim.

Taking down Payton is special, but in studying how Smith got to the top, it's time to offer what probably isn't the politically-correct thing to say when an entire league is ready to fawn over one of the classiest players to put on the pads:

Smith's record is overrated.

There, it's said. This isn't meant to diminish what Smith will accomplish because it is indeed special.

Looking below at Jim Brown, O.J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson and all the other great backs is a tribute to the player who showed up for work each week, playing with the toughness needed to take a pounding for 12 years. Especially amazing considering the "life expectancy" of a running back is less than five years.

This record, though, is a longevity record, and longevity records show desire, passion, toughness, mental awareness, maturity, physical conditioning and, perhaps most of all, luck.

They don't always show greatness.

Disagree? Well, how many would consider Jets quarterback Vinny Testaverde one of the 10 best quarterbacks of all time? His wife probably wouldn't even put him on that list.

Yet if the 38-year-old Testaverde plays three more seasons, throwing for a total of 10,000 yards in those three years, he would finish his career with 49,059 passing yards. He would rank fourth all time, behind only Dan Marino, John Elway and Warren Moon.

Testaverde, one of the most-maligned passers to play the game, would be looking down at Johnny Unitas, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman and Steve Young, some of the best to play. Testaverde certainly is not better than any of them. But with three more seasons he will have played 19 years.

Longevity.

The same holds true for Smith.

Like Testaverde, Smith gets respect for having the skill and desire to play as long as he has. But it also takes a lot of luck. Why luck?

What makes Smith avoid major injury, allowing him to break the record in the same year when Denver's Terrell Davis likely has to call it a short career because of bad knees? Doesn't luck have something to do with it?

Nobody can ever predict when the little ball in the injury roulette wheel will come up on double zero, signifying the dreaded ACL for a running back. Smith has, for the most part, avoided the major injury, allowing him the games to move past Payton -- who held the record because of his longevity.

Payton played 13 seasons and 190 games; Smith has played 185 games in his 12 seasons.

Assuming Smith averages his career per-game mark of 87.5 yards, he would break the record in Game No. 192, the seventh game this season against Arizona.

More than likely, assuming he can get off to a good start against the expansion Texans, he will break it in the 191st game, that coming against Carolina. Payton's per-game average was 88 yards, showing a definite parallel to their careers.

They are two of the best backs of all time in terms of yards, yet they aren't close to 100 yards per game, which is still a magical per-game number. That's why this record is a bit overrated.

Brown, who is sixth on the career-rushing list, is the reason it is.

In his nine seasons, Brown averaged 104.3 yards per game, the only rusher among the top 10 all time to average over 100 per game.

Brown is sixth on the rushing list, but he cut short his career after just nine seasons, still in his prime. Brown walked away to make movie after rushing for a career-high 1,544 yards in his last season in 1965.

Had he played four more seasons (giving him 13 like Payton and now Smith), Brown would be far and away the leader on this list.

Using his per-game average, and multiplying it by 56 (14 for each season since that was the number of games per season back then), he would have finished with 18,153 yards. Smith would be forced to play this season and next season to have a chance to break the record.

Moreover, he would have to do it in more than 200 games compared to Brown getting his 18,153 in 174 games (the 118 he played plus the mythical 56). Smith has played 185, so assuming he averaged the 87.5 per game, it would take him to his 208th game to reach that total.

That's why Brown is the best of all time. The only other back among the top 10 to come close to averaging 100 per game is Barry Sanders, who is third on the rushing list. He averaged 99.79 yards per game in his 10 seasons, retiring in his prime after the 1998 season.

Sanders, like Brown, walked away after an impressive final season, rushing for 1,491 yards. Eric Dickerson, who is fourth in career rushing yards, averaged 92.6 per game.

Behind the Numbers
Player Years G Att Yds Avg Yd/G TD
Payton 13 190 3,838 16,726 4.4 88 110
Smith* 12 185 3,798 16,187 4.3 87.5 148
Brown 9 118 2,359 12,312 5.2 104.3 106
* Still active.
There are several other statistics that can be used to show that Smith's breaking of the record -- and Payton's holding it for that matter -- are longevity based.

The most significant of those is the yards per carry.

Of the top six backs, Smith and Dorsett are tied for lowest per-carry average at 4.3. By comparison, Brown averaged an amazing 5.2 per rush and Sanders averaged 5.0. Payton was at 4.4. Simpson, who ranks 11th on the rushing list, averaged 4.7 per rush in his career.

That shows that Smith got the carries. He has averaged 316.5 carries a season, by far the tops of all the backs. Granted he played in the era of 16-game seasons, but Sanders did, too, and he only averaged 306.2 carries a season.

Smith's 20.5 carries a game tied Dickerson for the highest per-game average, although Payton (20.2), Brown (20.0) and Sanders (20.0) all got 20 per game.

Smith has to be commended for the number of carries he's been able to handle, a testament to his ability to stay on the field and play through pain.

Dorsett, who is fifth all time in rushing yards, averaged only 17 carries per game. While his per-carry average is the same as Smith's at 4.3, he wasn't able to handle the same type of load that Smith has during his career.

Some other interesting numbers:


Smith has just one 200-yard game in his career, getting 237 against the Eagles in 1993. That's the same number of 200-yard games as a guy named LeShon Johnson and one less than Greg Bell. By comparison, Simpson has six 200-yard games to top the list, and Brown and Sanders and Houston's Earl Campbell each had four.

The highest per-carry average that Smith has had in one season is 5.3 in 1993, which is a heck of an average. But Brown averaged an amazing 6.4 in 1963, second only to the 8.4 Beattie Feathers averaged in 1934. Sanders is next after Brown at 6.1 in 1997, with Simpson at 6.0 in 1973. Brown and Sanders averaged over 5 yards per carry five times in their careers. Simpson did it three times. Payton, like Smith, did it once. Sanders, Simpson and Dickerson all went over 2,000 yards in a season in which they averaged over five per carry. Terrell Davis is the only other back to go over 2,000 yards in a season. Smith's best year was in 1995 when he gained 1,773 yards, but it took him 377 carries to get there for a 4.7 average.

Smith does hold the mark for rushing touchdowns in a career with 148. He is second all-time in touchdowns scored with 159 to Oakland receiver Jerry Rice, who has 196 touchdowns. Smith has averaged 12.3 touchdowns per season, which is easily the best of any of the backs.
Smith's accomplishments are commendable and deserve some of the attention they are receiving. They are not, however, numbers that make him the best back of all time.

Longevity numbers rarely signal that.

It's debatable as to who is the best of all time, but it's hard to argue with the numbers Brown put up during his time. True, he was playing in a different era, where he was as big as the defensive players attempting to tackle him, but he ran over people and ran away from defensive backs.

Few have ever done both.

As for Smith, he has done his running with class.

After coming into the league with a little chip on his shoulder -- he wasn't exactly the best with the media -- he has grown and matured into a good man. When the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls in the 1990s, they gave new meaning to phrase Wild, Wild West.

Many Cowboys had run-ins with the law, their excesses with drugs, women and sin detailed in the courts and in the press. Smith somehow always remained above it, a class act all the way.

That's why his record chase has been so well received. This wasn't the surly Brown or the think-about-himself Simpson. Like Payton, Smith is viewed as doing it with dignity, not throwing women over balconies, nor would you expect him to later become involved in the murder trial of the century.

For that, Smith deserves much of the attention he will get. But when he does break the mark, and the game is stopped to give him his due, let's remember one very important fact:

It's a longevity thing, and longevity marks are always going to be a bit tarnished.
 

dargonking999

DKRandom
Messages
12,578
Reaction score
2,057
you have yet to answer Hos X-dawg, but yet you use crappy writers to solidfy a point with as many holes as swiss cheese
 

DBoys

New Member
Messages
4,713
Reaction score
0
This right here shows that morons love each others company.

"This record, though, is a longevity record, and longevity records show desire, passion, toughness, mental awareness, maturity, physical conditioning and, perhaps most of all, luck.

They don't always show greatness."

That is a contradiction if I ever read one.
 
Top