YR's Pro Wrestling of the Day

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  1. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Moderator

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    If you look up the definition of "Wrestling feud" you would see Lawler's photo by it.

    The guy and Jarret did an amazing job at starting, cultivating and ending feuds. They had it down to a science.

    The Lawler/Kauffman angle along with the Phil Donahue wrestling special helped speed up the renewed interest in the business in the early 80's.

    Lawler was A-No. 1 when it came to doing promo's... Either as a face or a heel. He had it down pact.

    I think his work in the ring was OK. He didn't have the offensive arsenal of say Harley Race, nor did he have a "wrestler's build" IMO. Nor was he as athletic as many of the guys. But he knew how to take bumps and sell which of course is a big part of telling the "story".

    I think a big negative is that he didn't travel which of course helped Memphis maintain it's standing as one of the most stable territories out there. But not traveling kept him somewhat "small time" as compared to other wrestlers.
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 24, 2018
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  3. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    That's why Flair will always be #1 for me. And why there will never be another one like him. He defies all laws of "Nature".
     
    stasheroo, Jan 24, 2018
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  4. MichaelWinicki

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    Flair was great in so many areas...

    -Mic work
    -Getting/keeping a crowd involved in a match
    -Selling
    -Taking bumps

    And he could wrestle. He had a nice variety of moves when he elected to use them.

    His negative was the cookie-cutter approach to most of his matches as world champ. I think he over-sold to the point of looking like a poor champion at times. And I still resent the fact he had to put Hulk Hogan over & over again in the WWF.


    But maybe his best attribute was his conditioning. He could go 60 minutes and hardly break a sweat.
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 24, 2018
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  5. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    All valid points.

    Especially the disgrace with Hogan. Heck, Hogan himself admits he couldn't t lace up Flair's boots.

    I think it's a well-established fact that Vince McMahon's ego has negatively affected the wrestling business on many occasions.
     
    stasheroo, Jan 24, 2018
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  6. MichaelWinicki

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    Vince carried a grudge against the former NWA guys like Race, Flair and Rhodes. Yeah he gave them jobs but they were all "punished" in some way for being ex-NWA headliners.
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 24, 2018
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  7. stasheroo

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    And they were all minimized as well, with a significant Ceiling that they were never allowed to overcome. Even Flair's world title win couldn't dare come at Hogan's expense. Hogan had to be stripped of the title so Flair could win it at the Royal Rumble. Even his world title win had to be undermined.
     
    stasheroo, Jan 24, 2018
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  8. MichaelWinicki

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    Yep.

    Don't care for many of Vince's practices. Keeps me from watching much of the product today.

    Seeing Rhodes come out in those polka-dot shorts... Just too much.

    And that was after Rhodes provided top-flight matches with "Superstar" Billy Graham during his title run. Vince Jr. still crapped on him.

    In one way I'm glad Brody never got to the WWF during Hogan's run because he would have been expected to job out as well.
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 24, 2018
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  9. stasheroo

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    That was the formula. Buy up whatever talent you could from other promotions, build the guy up with squashes for a few weeks, and then feed them to Hogan for a few months after that, only for them to end up in the midcard ranks or worse.

    The list is huge.

    Vince even allowed his ego to destroy the greatest opportunity anyone ever had in Pro wrestling. His purchase of WCW. He had to ruin that product no matter what, had to show everyone that his was better, effectively devaluing his own property (since he owned it all at that point). You and I will never see an opportunity so utterly and completely squandered as that one was.
     
    stasheroo, Jan 24, 2018
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  10. MichaelWinicki

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    Agreed.

    Many within the business have panned Vince and how completely he ham-fisted the opportunity– Just to rub some noses in it.
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 24, 2018
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  11. stasheroo

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    Succeeding in nothing more than spiting himself in the process.
     
    stasheroo, Jan 24, 2018
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  12. bigdnlaca

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    Flair did admit in his book that he did use Steroids for a short period of time off and on for stamina and conditioning when he did wrestle those long matches. IIRC, I think the last time he said he used it was in 89.
     
    bigdnlaca, Jan 24, 2018
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  13. Aikmaniac

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    Always loved Flair's Flops.

     
    Aikmaniac, Jan 25, 2018
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  14. MichaelWinicki

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    One of the greatest, if not the greatest at working the crowd.

    He just used certain parts of his repertoire way too often. You could get away with stuff like that in untelevised house shows but when your matches show up on TV too often a maneuver like this or his flip over the turn-buckle became cartoonish.
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 25, 2018
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  15. Aikmaniac

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    He was great at selling as you guys have mentioned.

    You're going to laugh but I thought the best of recent years at selling is Dolph Ziggler. I know, I know...

    I always did love The Rock's selling of the Stunner:

     
    Aikmaniac, Jan 25, 2018
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  16. cowboyec

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    4yrs ago where I work,I started a tradition on our lunch hr on the last thursday of the month called Throwdown Thursday...we get together and watch classic matches.
    Today was Undertaker v Sycho Sid from WM13...excellent match of big men.
    Undertaker is timeless...Sid was a excellent bad guy.
     
    cowboyec, Jan 25, 2018
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  17. MichaelWinicki

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    Sid could have been so much more than he was.

    One of those guys who's ring history didn't match his abilities.
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 28, 2018
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  18. cowboyec

    cowboyec Well-Known Member

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    agreed.
    was he the one in midsouth who wore the mike meyers hockey mask???
     
    cowboyec, Jan 28, 2018
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  19. timb2

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    Wrestling is a cutthroat business. Wrestlers got pushed down. WCW at one time had HHH,Steve Austin,Edge,Kevin Nash,Scott Hall before they were famous because guys on the TOP, RICK Flair, didn't want the competition.IF WCW had kept those guys the Monday Night Wars would have gone to WCW.
     
    timb2, Jan 28, 2018
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  20. MichaelWinicki

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    Lord Humongous?
     
    MichaelWinicki, Jan 28, 2018
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  21. cowboyec

    cowboyec Well-Known Member

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    cant remember...he wore black tights...I thought he was called helter skelter...I remember the video...he was in a steel mill.
    Jim Ross talkin about him scared me to death.
     
    cowboyec, Jan 28, 2018
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