Zack Martin has a legit shot to earn a huge all-time Cowboys honor in 2024

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Johnny Manziel was drafted by the Cleveland Browns as the 22nd overall pick of the 2014 NFL draft

look at that , hmmm please don't try to use that busted narrative as some kind of logic for me because I'm very logical, it's common sense,

This happens all the time around the NFL at least he did not pick him, that's a team stop he should go in the first round, and he did..

The thing he hid from teams and the thing his head coach from his college A&M team, hookem horns :):yourock:, hid

that he didn't know how to read a playbook that he plays Sandlot football he hardly studied he didn't care and that's why he didn't make it any NFL he had some dynamic wide receivers and a dynamic team he played with and teams got duped but at least Jerry said good things about him but didn't pick him!!!

ironic that a Heisman Trophy winner was looked at as a possible great talent and picked high in the draft but somehow our owner is being signaled out he is the GM and the owner back then he's no longer that guy but I could tell you right now at least we didn't take him in the top five look at all the books that are putting the teams take quarterbacks here here's one for you that awesome great ridiculous GM and San Francisco gave up three first round picks for Lance, that's the biggest boneheaded move I've ever seen I mean the man was a reach and they gave up extra assets Jerry says something nice in the media and you're going to make it like he's so out of touch with the NFL that he's the only one that does that...

Dude you are like many fans myopic when it comes to Jerry as a GM and owner and all you're going to do is rip him as if you don't see the rest of the NFL making big mistakes even bigger mistakes in the draft just cause the man said something nice about a guy that possibly had a lot of talent I mean Tim Tebow was technically a bust but at least he did a little something but there were so many worse picks in the top three of the draft by other teams and you're ripping on our GM for making it quote that the guy had some potential because of what they saw in college? I mean was it Jerry that took Mitch trubisky or I don't know even Daniel Jones and pay him $42 million I mean there are so many quarterbacks it would take me all morning which I'm headed to the river so I don't care you know I'm incorrect you're picking on him as if he's the only owner who's ever said something nice about a guy who turned out not to be good at least he did not draft him the rest of the NFL continually drafts and overdrafts quarterbacks...

But the ironic thing here is the hypocrisy because eventually teams did pick those players like drew lock it had high hopes for them and they were all bus that is why teams like Denver The Jets the Browns eventually just gave up and then you go over and give all those draft picks up for a veteran like Prescott and then pay them maximum money and not get any return that this fan base expects..

Don't stick to my original comment you're picking on Jerry for no reason at all the man made a quote he had his eye on Mansell so did other people around the NFL it happens all the time...
Never so much said that means so little
 

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And to think that Jerry Jones wanted to use that draft pick to select Johnny Manziel.

Think about that. He had to be convinced, via aggressive debate, by several people in the organization including Stephen Jones, to take Zack Martin instead.

Imagine. Martin could have been an Eagle or Packer. The Browns drafted Manziel and then took a guard in the 2nd round. The Browns might have taken Martin.

One different decision could have turned history upside down.
Manziel would also probably be dead. If dude can party that hard on the Browns, it would have been a disaster in the overrated Cowboys spotlight.
 

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According to Parcells Jones is very agreeable as long as you come prepared with logical arguments as far as why you want to do something.
Just a shame though that he’s had to be talked out of so many bad picks.

Speaking of the Tuna…. Parcells talked him out of drafting TE Mike Seidman so we could nab Jason Witten instead.

Does anyone seriously think the Cowboys could have had that awesome 2005 draft with Jerry leading the show?
 

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BULLET! I'm sure glad Jerry was overruled that day and Zach became a Cowboy.
 

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And to think that Jerry Jones wanted to use that draft pick to select Johnny Manziel.

Think about that. He had to be convinced, via aggressive debate, by several people in the organization including Stephen Jones, to take Zack Martin instead.

Imagine. Martin could have been an Eagle or Packer. The Browns drafted Manziel and then took a guard in the 2nd round. The Browns might have taken Martin.

One different decision could have turned history upside down.

I wasn't taking a shot at the owner. I was taking a shot at the GM. That's the same GM that has been here through 27 seasons of not reaching a conference championship game.

If you don't think that Jerry is the one making final decisions then who has the authority to override Jerry? Jerry made the final decision albeit, reluctantly, and possibly prevented a mutiny. However, the fact that he even had to be convinced and was still upset after the draft is just another example of an amateur trying to be something he never was.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jerry-jones-was-that-close-to-drafting-johnny-manziel/

“But Manziel is special. I know him personally. I know that he is going to be a success in the National Football League, and it was a hard decision. And it is one that I will probably have for the rest of my career think about.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-jones-draft-johnny-manziel-2014-8

"I am still so damn mad,I get madder, every day, about missin' him."

"When we were on the clock, I said, if we pick the other guy — any other guy — it would be a ticket to parity, more 8-8 seasons. The only way to break out is to gamble — take a chance with that first pick, if you wanna dramatically improve your team. That's why I wanted Manziel, but I was the only guy who wanted him. I listened to everybody ... and I'm ... not ... happy ..."

I wasn't taking a shot at the owner. I was taking a shot at the GM. That's the same GM that has been here through 27 seasons of not reaching a conference championship game.

If you don't think that Jerry is the one making final decisions then who has the authority to override Jerry? Jerry made the final decision albeit, reluctantly, and possibly prevented a mutiny. However, the fact that he even had to be convinced and was still upset after the draft is just another example of an amateur trying to be something he never was.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jerry-jones-was-that-close-to-drafting-johnny-manziel/

“But Manziel is special. I know him personally. I know that he is going to be a success in the National Football League, and it was a hard decision. And it is one that I will probably have for the rest of my career think about.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-jones-draft-johnny-manziel-2014-8

"I am still so damn mad,I get madder, every day, about missin' him."

"When we were on the clock, I said, if we pick the other guy — any other guy — it would be a ticket to parity, more 8-8 seasons. The only way to break out is to gamble — take a chance with that first pick, if you wanna dramatically improve your team. That's why I wanted Manziel, but I was the only guy who wanted him. I listened to everybody ... and I'm ... not ... happy ..."
Manziel in two NFL seasons (2014 and 2015)___
14 games, 8 starts, teams were 2-6 with him being the starting QB
258 att, 147 cmp, 1675 yds, 7 TDs, 7 INTs, passer rating 74.4
 

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Just a shame though that he’s had to be talked out of so many bad picks.

Speaking of the Tuna…. Parcells talked him out of drafting TE Mike Seidman so we could nab Jason Witten instead.

Does anyone seriously think the Cowboys could have had that awesome 2005 draft with Jerry leading the show?
And Parcells wanted to take Spears over Ware. No one makes 100% correct picks all the time.
 

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And Parcells wanted to take Spears over Ware. No one makes 100% correct picks all the time.
He did until near the end when he agreed that they had to have Ware. But you look at the QB picks that Jethro was directly responsible for such as Quincy, wanted paxton lynch and connor cook and wanted manziel, the record is not good. He also was mostly responsible for Hutchinson and Hensen as well. Above all else keep Jethro away from ever picking a QB.
 

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He did until near the end when he agreed that they had to have Ware. But you look at the QB picks that Jethro was directly responsible for such as Quincy, wanted paxton lynch and connor cook and wanted manziel, the record is not good. He also was mostly responsible for Hutchinson and Hensen as well. Above all else keep Jethro away from ever picking a QB.
In his defense the list of failed QB's picked in the draft is incredibly long, even picking at the very top. We all know that Brady was drafted in the 6th round, Purdy was barely drafted, Romo was undrafted, and Dak was a 4th. Then you have guys like Jamarcus Russell, Bradford, and Wentz who go near the top who never amount to anything. It's all just a crap shoot but the odds are stacked even more against you with QB so I'm not going to blame Jerry for taking a shot with guys like Hutchinson and Henson where there is basically no downside if they don't work out. That's kind of my same view point with Lance where all we gave up was a low 4th round pick.
 

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Will McCiay has been asked about that situation and batted it down as exaggerated. Jerry didn't fight that hard for Manziel. he just suggested him as a name but the conversation in the room quickly changed and unanimously agreed the pick should be Martin. Stephen's part was just agreeing with the room rather than his daddy. He did nothing aggressive. :muttley:
But I heard that Stephen and Jerry got into a fistfight over it.
 

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Johnny Manziel was drafted by the Cleveland Browns as the 22nd overall pick of the 2014 NFL draft

look at that , hmmm please don't try to use that busted narrative as some kind of logic for me because I'm very logical, it's common sense,

This happens all the time around the NFL at least he did not pick him, that's a team stop he should go in the first round, and he did..

The thing he hid from teams and the thing his head coach from his college A&M team, hookem horns :):yourock:, hid

that he didn't know how to read a playbook that he plays Sandlot football he hardly studied he didn't care and that's why he didn't make it any NFL he had some dynamic wide receivers and a dynamic team he played with and teams got duped but at least Jerry said good things about him but didn't pick him!!!

ironic that a Heisman Trophy winner was looked at as a possible great talent and picked high in the draft but somehow our owner is being signaled out he is the GM and the owner back then he's no longer that guy but I could tell you right now at least we didn't take him in the top five look at all the books that are putting the teams take quarterbacks here here's one for you that awesome great ridiculous GM and San Francisco gave up three first round picks for Lance, that's the biggest boneheaded move I've ever seen I mean the man was a reach and they gave up extra assets Jerry says something nice in the media and you're going to make it like he's so out of touch with the NFL that he's the only one that does that...

Dude you are like many fans myopic when it comes to Jerry as a GM and owner and all you're going to do is rip him as if you don't see the rest of the NFL making big mistakes even bigger mistakes in the draft just cause the man said something nice about a guy that possibly had a lot of talent I mean Tim Tebow was technically a bust but at least he did a little something but there were so many worse picks in the top three of the draft by other teams and you're ripping on our GM for making it quote that the guy had some potential because of what they saw in college? I mean was it Jerry that took Mitch trubisky or I don't know even Daniel Jones and pay him $42 million I mean there are so many quarterbacks it would take me all morning which I'm headed to the river so I don't care you know I'm incorrect you're picking on him as if he's the only owner who's ever said something nice about a guy who turned out not to be good at least he did not draft him the rest of the NFL continually drafts and overdrafts quarterbacks...

But the ironic thing here is the hypocrisy because eventually teams did pick those players like drew lock it had high hopes for them and they were all bus that is why teams like Denver The Jets the Browns eventually just gave up and then you go over and give all those draft picks up for a veteran like Prescott and then pay them maximum money and not get any return that this fan base expects..

Don't stick to my original comment you're picking on Jerry for no reason at all the man made a quote he had his eye on Mansell so did other people around the NFL it happens all the time...
That last sentence was your conclusion? I'm picking on Jerry for no reason?

As lengthy as your response is, and I do appreciate the time it took, I could write a list of reasons that was fifty times longer...I really could. I often wonder why I don't have the foresight to save my objections to Jerry on some spreadsheet.

I don't object to Jerry's personal life at all, don't care what he said about Tebow. I'm not the morality police. I am a simple fan just fed up with my beloved Cowboys being run by an amateur, part-time, wannabe......
 

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And given the chance I’m taking Lily, Manster and Allen all in front of Martin. In my mind Martin comes in 4th out of that group.
Honestly, I'd be willing to accept any argument that puts those 4 guys in any order. You wouldn't be wrong putting any of them first, IMO.
 

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That last sentence was your conclusion? I'm picking on Jerry for no reason?

As lengthy as your response is, and I do appreciate the time it took, I could write a list of reasons that was fifty times longer...I really could. I often wonder why I don't have the foresight to save my objections to Jerry on some spreadsheet.

I don't object to Jerry's personal life at all, don't care what he said about Tebow. I'm not the morality police. I am a simple fan just fed up with my beloved Cowboys being run by an amateur, part-time, wannabe......
And yeah,

this is a long winded talk to text Monday morning coffee rant,

and you're probably not going to read it, and I don't care because now I got it off my chest and then you skim through it you could feel how you feel.

but I feel how I feel and no I don't love Jerry Jones and I don't have loyalty to this ownership or anything about this team.. I follow the Star:star::starspin:,

I will always root for the star, and I always will defend the star because it's a passion of mine is the Dallas Cowboys 1981 the present.. I've lived it all especially the first game I ever saw was the Dallas Cowboys and Danny white losing to the 49ers which has come full circle with the catch in the final play of that NFCCG, sound familiar all those final plays against Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay Packers and all the losses to the Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers in teh 70s and we just are falling short..

I get it so if that's all you want to read too bad, you're not swaying my opinion. I'll always be a fan and I don't really give a **** about the ownership we can't do anything about it... I do this for the love of the game I follow the Cowboys as a year to year one off proposition it will always be that way I follow it week to week, and I just hope for the best and there's nothing wrong with me staying in the present and not constantly going back and talking about a stupid drought it happens to all teams. At least the Dallas Cowboys are relevant enough to win divisions to win a lot of games in the regular season and they go to the playoffs pretty often and they get prime time games they are still relative whether we have higher expectations or not that is why I follow the Cowboys to talk about the games and it starts over every March.

Yes.,

I said what I said you tried to use a narrative because you don't like the ownership to point out a flaw in our ownership over a statement he made versus why don't you talk about all the other GM's bad decisions they made not just with words but actions like picking Johnny manzel in the first round of the draft Jerry didn't so you want to use his little quotes to make fun of the guy it's absolutely ridiculous so if you want to make some real statements go ahead in this case isolated not the garbage you're going to list about 28 years of mediocrity and blah blah blah all the mistakes he made and we're in a drought and we need a real GM while those real GM kicked a bunch of really bad quarterbacks they didn't just quote them they actually kicked them they actually made a lot of draft mistakes they actually picked up free agent for a lot of money and they didn't work out all these special GM's you talk about are not finishing top six in the league they're not consistently winning games they haven't been in the playoffs I have eight years there's a lot of really average GM's out there that you may think are better than Jerry because Jerry is an owner GM and not actual real football guy in your opinion...

But you forget one thing we all watch sports we may not follow all the other teams as closely, but I can tell you this there are more GMS in this league that are below Jerry because of just what we talked about they cannot win Super Bowls either, they are not getting the Super bowls on a regular basis... They are making mistakes and not just talking they're literally making those mistakes so everybody wanting a real GM here and a football guy just know they're about 28 of those GM's that are finishing below the Cowboys.. yes I get it, it's just the regular season but apparently having a regular GM is not a blueprint for success that would just make the fan base happy it's somehow you don't think over since 1989 that Jerry's learned anything from real football people the fact that he played high level college football you know with Jimmy Johnson Jimmy Johnson would have never been here had they not been teammates you don't want a football team a national championship football team but Jerry knows nothing about football???​
Is that what you guys continually try to shoot down our throat that somehow the mistakes Jerry made after Jimmy left he's somehow still making it or is it just the cycle of the NFL like other teams like the chiefs 52 years between their Super Bowls there are several teams without any Super Bowl championships at all and there's some waiting on #2 meaning they've had one since 1960 and apparently that's the blueprint for success in your mind because you don't like the way the guy runs the team..​
OH and by the way,

I am not a fan of Jerry Jones,

I'm a fan of the Dallas Cowboys but I also watch the rest of the NFL have the same problems in the same periods of time and just because Oh my God we're in a drought... we must point it out 24-7-365..

I think the last 10 years and more so in the last five years, it's apparent Jerry Jones is not the GM here, he's a GM in title only ,because he likes the attention he's a talking head he's like the queen of England with not much daily involvement as a GM anymore, really truly has given that to a group of people starting with Will McClay..

We all know it , so maybe you ought to start calling for will mcclays head because it doesn't matter who the GM is, if the owner is still Jerry and if he has the final word then what's the problem with your rants that you want the man to go hire a real GM who won't have the final say which is BTW how most NFL teams are run, like a corporation. Sure some let their GM have a little bit more slack in the rope they give them some more freedom but if that's what you're expecting here that's not gonna happen so until Jerry and this Jones family sell this team the constant rants are not gonna change anything..

you know the but HEY, real GMs that are finishing far below the Cowboys over the last five years but you can go back ten years, the Cowboys have consistently been one of the better regular season teams in the NFL and yes I get it I want more as well but your arguments don't work for me because most of the high quality GM's in this league that you would point out that people drool over that make all these special moves that get your boxers wet, They're not beating the Dallas Cowboys on a regular basis or they're just making the same mistakes but they're getting a game or two further every year but they're not winning Super Bowls the San Francisco 49ers have not won a Super Bowl since 1994 and the Dallas Cowboys have been absolutely dominating the division for most of the time occasionally the Eagles pop up and we have competition we beat Howie Roseman's Eagles twice in the last three years for the divisions,

which must be a giant coincidence it must be an accident that somehow with a terrible GM a terrible owner overrated stat padding quarterback a fat lazy doesn't know a thing about football head coach and a bunch of lazy Country Club players that get away with anything they want somehow we managed to win 36 games two division titles three straight playoff appearances but we've been to the playoffs 5 out of the last eight years and there's a whole bunch of teams that would trade places with us.. And I get it our expectations we want more we expect more the Dallas Cowboys the two dynasties we've had we want to recreate that which ohh by the way Jerry was part of the bigger one, you know the one with three titles versus the one with two titles...

TBH,

I don't care if Jerry is the owner of the GM I don't care who runs the team because there's nothing we could do about it we have no control over this and the contracts and the money and blah blah blah I prefer to sit and talk about the players and how they're playing once the season starts looking forward and anticipating the season seeing how it goes because it's the ultimate reality TV we don't know the outcome even though everyone says here it's going to end the same but one year it's not that's how the cycles of the NFL come around that's why all these droughts around sports eventually end you know like the Texas Rangers 1970 and they finally got one in 2023 and I don't think their fans are going to keep complaining about the drought.. That includes the other three teams who only have 3 total titles and the stars choked again Oh my God they got there though right ohh it was really close right now The Mavericks are struggling Oh my God but they got there ohh they were really close no this is about titles Jerry has three the Cowboys have five we're waiting on number six and a bunch of teams would love that not to be waiting on their first or their second..

So some of us for the love of the team are more patient than others at some point you just have to get over it and leave the past in the past and treat the NFL and the Dallas Cowboys has a year to year proposition and it's a week to week league you don't know what's happening from week to week you can't really make wholesale predictions on how the season's going to end because straight the schedule means nothing it's just a word now because anything that happened last year doesn't mean it's going to happen again this year so I'm OK with sometimes being upset or mad or frustrated but then when the new season starts it's time to look forward and not back..​
Hey albeit to me to tell you how to feel and I'm not going to you're entitled to your opinion but I'm gonna tell you right now living in the past and worrying and being this involved in the history and it makes you this upset and this mad I don't understand why you're still a fan you have a choice if nothing's changed in the last 33 years how do you think anything's gonna change for the next 33 years so why are you driving yourself crazy that's why I prefer to look at this as a year to year proposition and I'm still proud of our five titles and our three and I can be because that's my final word 1989 to present the Dallas Cowboys are only one of three teams with three titles or more in that same time period that shows you how difficult it is and yes I get it I want another NFC championship game appearance and for sure I want another Super Bowl appearance and or win but we can't all have it our way..​
 

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In his ten seasons as a dominant RG of the Dallas Cowboys, Zack Martin has been named a first team ALL PRO seven times and two times as a second team ALL PRO, which ties him with the great Bob Lily as a nine time ALL PRO. If Martin has another typical year in 2024, he can be the FIRST Cowboy to be named an ALL PRO 10 times!

Currently, here are the all time records for ALL PRO honors for Cowboys players:
  • Bob Lily 9 time ALL PRO (7 times first team, 2 times second team)
  • Zack Martin 9 time ALL PRO (7 times first team, 2 times second team)
  • Randy White 8 time ALL PRO (7 times first team, 1 second team)
  • Larry Allen 7 time ALL PRO (6 times first team, 1 second team)
Zack Martin has a legit shot to be the Cowboys all time ALL PRO if he has a typically great season in 2024. We have witnessed (and are still witnessing) one of the all-time greats in Zack Martin. OL get less of the spotlight, which is a shame because a guy like Martin does not come around often.

The tragic passing of the great Larry Allen was a reminder of how fortunate as Cowboys fans we have been to see firsthand greatness each Sunday. We should all enjoy watching the great Zack Martin while we can.
WOW, I did not know this.

Thats impressive!
 

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He did until near the end when he agreed that they had to have Ware. But you look at the QB picks that Jethro was directly responsible for such as Quincy, wanted paxton lynch and connor cook and wanted manziel, the record is not good. He also was mostly responsible for Hutchinson and Hensen as well. Above all else keep Jethro away from ever picking a QB.
Jerry is a terrible judge of QB talent. Here are some of his comments about some below average talents we’ve had in Dallas or guys he wanted to have:
  • Brandon Weedon: “He’s a thing of beauty on throwing a football. His passing motion and his arm, frankly, you won’t see a more gifted passer, power, accuracy, the entire aspect of it.”
  • Paxton Lynch: Regarding not being able to trade up to get him…“When I look back on my life, I overpaid for my big successes every time. And I probably should have overpaid here.”
  • Johnny Manziel: During the 2014 draft, JJ argued that Johnny Football would have “guaranteed relevance for the next decade. I’m still damn mad at Stephen, and I get madder every day for missing Manziel”. (For those who don’t believe this, here’s a link to the story on NFL.com: https://www.nfl.com/news/jerry-jones-damn-mad-about-missing-johnny-manziel-0ap3000000387284
  • Chad Hutchinson- (Jerry gave him a then record $3.1 million dollar signing bonus as a UFA) “We have found our QB of the future” It was a very short future, lol.
 

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That last sentence was your conclusion? I'm picking on Jerry for no reason?

As lengthy as your response is, and I do appreciate the time it took, I could write a list of reasons that was fifty times longer...I really could. I often wonder why I don't have the foresight to save my objections to Jerry on some spreadsheet.

I don't object to Jerry's personal life at all, don't care what he said about Tebow. I'm not the morality police. I am a simple fan just fed up with my beloved Cowboys being run by an amateur, part-time, wannabe......
Agree wholeheartedly. I have nothing against Jerry personally. And as you stated care even less about his personal life. I care about the Cowboys winning. Period. And I just happen to believe Jerry is the biggest impediment to the Cowboys success in the playoffs.

As has been stated over and over…he‘s a brilliant businessman who is a terrible GM. His results in the playoffs speak for themselves.
 

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His results in the playoffs speak for themselves.
His regular season results should have gotten Jerry Jones fired after three straight 5-11 finishes ending in 2002. The Dallas Cowboys were the sole team that did not win more than five games per season during that stretch. Dismal productivity causes personal narcissism to neither bend nor break in its resolve.

Jones is blessed with complete autonomy non-NFL owners have never possessed but shared the same job title and responsibilities as him. His intractable opposition, to removing himself from the franchise's GM equation, is the decades-long black mark, placed upon his own legacy, created entirely by him and him alone.
 
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