Zeke v Ramsey

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I must admit, I thought Dallas would pick Ramsey at #4 and was a tad bit surprised when Elliott's name was ultimately announced. This was partly due to the fact that I never would have imagined the FO to pick him with such a high pick. Add in the overwhelming need to add playmakers on defense, I was convinced it would be Ramsey. Although, DE was our defenses greatest need IMO.
After several days to digest the idea that Dallas actually landed the best Runningback in the Draft, and quite possibly the best player in the draft, I'm completely convinced.. They got it right.There's a precursor to this though, I'll explain..
Elliott and Ramsey play two very different positions that are both equally as important at different times of the game. However, only one of them can dictate himself on the opposing team, Elliott. I liken it to the Homerun hitting Clean-up hitter of baseball. If the batter is feared, the opposing pitcher will just walk them and/or pitch around the batter, thus the hitter never has a chance to make a real impact on the game. Likewise, IF Ramsey is a stud CB/S, the QB can neutralize his impact and avoid throwing his direction. In Contrast, Dallas has the best OL in football which increases the odds of Elliott imposing his will on opponents 20-30 touches a game. I find that more appealing and worthy of the #4 pick even more. And we haven't talked ab how this effects time of possession, defensive plays, and Romo's health.
So Lets look at Ramsey. Everybody already knows that he's a freak of nature that seemingly can make every type of play asked of him as a DB. The biggest question (or concern) was whether he was a CB or Safety. Well, I guess that's still to be determined, but his talent cant be denied. What can be questioned though, is his lack of game-changing plays. His lack of INT's is well documented against ho-hum QB competition. I've also heard "that's because they didn't throw to his side of the field". Oh yeah, he had 52 tackles w/no INTs last year. Lets look at the other 1st round CBs:Eli Apple 33-1int; Vernon Hargreaves 33-4; William Jackson 43-5; Artie Burns 36-6. Seems to me, Ramsey played against lesser Qb competition and ended up making more tackles and less impactful plays.
On the other hand, seven of Zeke's 13 games last year was against the NCAA top 40 defensive teams in America, yet his stat line looked like this: 1821 yds- 6.3 avg- 23 TDs. And Ill add he finished with 3 straight 220+ yard games to close out their National Championship run against Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon two years ago.
So after looking at the fact of the matter, Elliott is far and away the best pick for the Cowboys right now and when Romo's tenure ends. Zeke is a Champion that knows how to carry a team when the team needs him.
 
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Mourned Ramsey not being picked, but wanted Ezekiel Elliot during February and March over everyone.
 

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Yeah, there will be no avoiding him for the opposing team. They are going to have to deal with him no matter what. Teams could avoid Ramsey but Elliott will be coming right at them and it will be, do something about it or let him score.

And when they worry about Zeke they forget about Dez and Witten haha I'm so pumped about this offense
 

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Said this before the draft -- I did in depth film study on the top prospects and Jalen Ramsey looked like he could be a bust. I was really scared we were going to pick him, even thought Bosa was a better pick than Ramsey. Elliott is a can't miss stud 3 down RB. I'm excited that we have him on our team.
 

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The debate on on picking a RB with the 4th pick has really went to some of the poster's heads. The very posters that always defends the team's drafts are bitter about this year's pick at the RB position. I have disagreed with about 90% of Dallas's draft picks over the last several years, but I have never been bitter about it. Most of them wanted Ramsey and they might as well move on. There is no changing the pick now.
 

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I was partially regretful, at the time, when they took Zeke over Ramsey (being that I wanted defense to be an emphasis if we didn't take a QB at #4), but the small thoughts of regret went down the toilet once they grew the balls to take J.Smith in the 2nd round. If he and Jack were injury-free, then the talks of Ramsey being the top defensive player would be a pipe dream. When (not if...not a damn debate) Jaylon comes back fully in 2017, there won't be a question in my mind that we got two top-5 talents in the 2016 draft.
 

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I was partially regretful, at the time, when they took Zeke over Ramsey (being that I wanted defense to be an emphasis if we didn't take a QB at #4), but the small thoughts of regret went down the toilet once they grew the balls to take J.Smith in the 2nd round. If he and Jack were injury-free, then the talks of Ramsey being the top defensive player would be a pipe dream. When (not if...not a damn debate) Jaylon comes back fully in 2017, there won't be a question in my mind that we got two top-5 talents in the 2016 draft.

I wish that I felt as strongly about Smith's knee as you do. I think he will recover, but to what degree is questionable . Nobody knows for sure.
 

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JJ and the staff got this one right. Three years from now we will probably be talking about how great this pick was. The only thing that will stop this kid is if he stops himself.
 

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I would have been totally on board with Zeke or Ramsey, for two reasons. 1. I viewed both as areas that would be a great upgrade and both players were valuable enough to warrant a top 5 pick. 2. I have a soft spot for RBs and DBs. That being said if their were a stud pass rusher available i'd have prefered to go that route.

Given the talent at the top of the draft coming away with a RB that can possibly dominate in all phases of the run game is as good as it gets. Yeah our running attack was good last year, but I think we will see a difference when we can dominate other teams because of our ability to run the rock and convert 3rd and short. The fact that Zeke also has track speed and can hit the occasional home run is exciting as well. Good, no great 1st round pick Dallas!
 

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I would have went with Bosa over Ramsey if he was available. DBs are worthless without a good Dline .
 

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I would have went with Bosa over RMsey if he was available. Dabs are worthless without a good Dline .

I think Dallas would of picked Bosa if he were available. It would of been harder for Jerry to choose between Zeke & Bosa. But out of all those players Dallas had a chance in drafting.. I believe Zeke would give us the best chance in winning now. And he improves our team the second he gets on the field.
 

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I think Dallas would of picked Bosa if he were available. It would of been harder for Jerry to choose between Zeke & Bosa. But out of all those players Dallas had a chance in drafting.. I believe Zeke would give us the best chance in winning now. And he improves our team the second he gets on the field.

I don't think Dallas liked Bosa that much. If given a choice between Bosa and Floyd for this defense, I think they take Floyd. This draft just re-enforced to me how much they value a RDE. That's not Bosa's position.
 

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It will be an interesting debate for years to come. Typically I am against taking a RB this high. This year was different though imo. Maybe I will be proven wrong though.

Just as I am against taking a RB high in the draft. I feel the same way, maybe even more, of taking a CB so high. Who have been the cornerbacks taken in the top 10 who have been worth it? Joe Haden, Patrick Peterson and ???. Josh Norman was a 5th round pick, Revis was a mid first (and has played on 4 teams), Sherman is a 3rd round pick, New England's # 1 is a undrafted guy. I saw an article yesterday on Grantland last year who had Vontae Davis (non first round pick who was traded) and Brandon Flowers (non first round pick who was released) as two of the best corners last year. Chris Harris Jr was also listed and he was undrafted too. Aquib Talib was a middle first but he has been on three teams too.

It certainly appears to me the sweet spot to find a CB is middle first to the second round. If you are right on these guys they play for a good period of time and make a ton of money. Although I would say their impact is less than a stud DT, DE, OT, and obviously QB. I would say a stud WR also gives you more of an impact.

So while I agree in most years taking a RB so high is not typically a wise investment. Couldn't we say the same thing of taking a CB in the top 10?
 

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I think Dallas would of picked Bosa if he were available. It would of been harder for Jerry to choose between Zeke & Bosa. But out of all those players Dallas had a chance in drafting.. I believe Zeke would give us the best chance in winning now. And he improves our team the second he gets on the field.

I agree with that Zeke is the player that will impact the team the most. I think Ramsey would have been an upgrade but his production would not match his draft position .
 

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I agree with that Zeke is the player that will impact the team the most. I think Ramsey would have been an upgrade but his production would not match his draft position .

What made me shy away from this pick is how often you'd use him this year and what position does he really play?

You have Scandrick, Claiborne, Carr as your corners and Byron as your FS.

Is Ramsey going to start at SS? Or is he subbing in with the corners?

I get that we have some contracts ending next year which will allow Ramsey to play at corner.

But Elliott is the home run, safest pick, with the greatest impact.
 

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The thing with Ramsey is, you're going to make him play a new position than the one he played for the majority of his college career and new players in the secondary typically take a while to adjust. In terms of immediate impact and giving Romo the best shot, I think Ezekiel Elliott was the best option.
 

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I must admit, I thought Dallas would pick Ramsey at #4 and was a tad bit surprised when Elliott's name was ultimately announced. This was partly due to the fact that I never would have imagined the FO to pick him with such a high pick. Add in the overwhelming need to add playmakers on defense, I was convinced it would be Ramsey. Although, DE was our defenses greatest need IMO.
After several days to digest the idea that Dallas actually landed the best Runningback in the Draft, and quite possibly the best player in the draft, I'm completely convinced.. They got it right.There's a precursor to this though, I'll explain..
Elliott and Ramsey play two very different positions that are both equally as important at different times of the game. However, only one of them can dictate himself on the opposing team, Elliott. I liken it to the Homerun hitting Clean-up hitter of baseball. If the batter is feared, the opposing pitcher will just walk them and/or pitch around the batter, thus the hitter never has a chance to make a real impact on the game. Likewise, IF Ramsey is a stud CB/S, the QB can neutralize his impact and avoid throwing his direction. In Contrast, Dallas has the best OL in football which increases the odds of Elliott imposing his will on opponents 20-30 touches a game. I find that more appealing and worthy of the #4 pick even more. And we haven't talked ab how this effects time of possession, defensive plays, and Romo's health.
So Lets look at Ramsey. Everybody already knows that he's a freak of nature that seemingly can make every type of play asked of him as a DB. The biggest question (or concern) was whether he was a CB or Safety. Well, I guess that's still to be determined, but his talent cant be denied. What can be questioned though, is his lack of game-changing plays. His lack of INT's is well documented against ho-hum QB competition. I've also heard "that's because they didn't throw to his side of the field". Oh yeah, he had 52 tackles w/no INTs last year. Lets look at the other 1st round CBs:Eli Apple 33-1int; Vernon Hargreaves 33-4; William Jackson 43-5; Artie Burns 36-6. Seems to me, Ramsey played against lesser Qb competition and ended up making more tackles and less impactful plays.
On the other hand, seven of Zeke's 13 games last year was against the NCAA top 40 defensive teams in America, yet his stat line looked like this: 1821 yds- 6.3 avg- 23 TDs. And Ill add he finished with 3 straight 220+ yard games to close out their National Championship run against Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon two years ago.
So after looking at the fact of the matter, Elliott is far and away the best pick for the Cowboys right now and when Romo's tenure ends. Zeke is a Champion that knows how to carry a team when the team needs him.

I think every pick was a CHARACTER PICK in 2016. Zeke vs Ramsey? Zeke appears as grounded as Jaylon Smith. Ramsey appears to be full of himself. I like all our picks. I would had preferred Jonathon Bullard over Maliek Collins, but like all this picks.
 
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