Zeke without Pollard

[Mr_437]

Key word there being "looked." I didn't see a lot of holes to hit to be honest. Aside from one run where the line cleared everybody out Davis averaged less ypc than Zeke did. As in the overall result was worse. Who cares what how it "looked?" It also "looked" like he was slapped down with one hand on a few carries. Kudos to him for the one nice run.. but I repeat.. untouched until 15 yards. The rest of the time it "looked" like he was running into the same brick wall Zeke was and getting fewer yards for his efforts. The line lost last night.. so the runners weren't all that successful overall except for one play. That's what it "looked" like to me.

Are you implying Zeke is faster than Davis?
I don't care about stats or who you think had holes.

 

[Mr_437]

Davis didnt have any problem catching passes for 10 yard avgs did he???

He popped a run for over 20 yards also???

You sure are correct, good Sir. Davis seemed to manage 2 explosive plays, but word is that was damn near impossible for any RB.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

19 attempts for 37 yards.
1.9 ypc.

3.9ypc for the year.


Without Pollard, the running game was putrid. Zeke is beyond washed up.

So how many games has Zeke had this year where he didn't average four yards a carry?

 

[RonnieT24]

Are you implying Zeke is faster than Davis?
I don't care about stats or who you think had holes.

I'm not implying anything. I don't know who is faster and don't care. I just know that there was very little in the way of running room for the guys last night. This makes three games in a row that's been the case. I mean Zeke had a higher yards per carry last game against the Eagles and the longest run by a Cowboys RB.. Does that mean he's faster than Pollard? Was Pollard too slow hitting the holes last week?

For the record no I do not think Zeke in a knee brace after playing a thousand snaps in an NFL season is faster than Malik Davis who has played maybe a hundred. That's not the way football works especially when you're the designated battering ram for your offense. .. However I do believe that if you lined them up in July at full health and asked them to race say 60 yards Zeke would win. But Davis with fresh legs absolutely is quicker and probably faster. But his lack of size and leg drive was on full display on those runs where there were no holes. He needs to hit the weight room and the training table bigtime. The good news is he's a good back and I have said that from the jump. I watched his entire career at Florida and know his skillset well. He's a TREMENDOUS receiver.. Something I think we're going to see more of next year especially if some other team gives TP a bag.

 

[RonnieT24]

So how many games has Zeke had this year where he didn't average four yards a carry?

I believe this one makes 7.. But it's the first time he's been under 2 ypc.. He needs one more to catch Pollard in that category.

 

[RonnieT24]

You sure are correct, good Sir. Davis seemed to manage 2 explosive plays, but word is that was damn near impossible for any RB.

Don't believe anyone has said any such thing. The line blew open a massive hole and he hit it. I suspect Zeke would have gotten a similar gain through that hole.. but let's say for the sake of argument he would have only gotten 10 or 15 yards on that one. Davis wasn't touched until 15 yards. I don't know how else to view that except for great blocking. Sometimes as a running back you get those and sometimes you don't.

And they didn't throw Zeke the ball.. probably because with the line taking it on the chin he was needed to stay in and block a lot. The coaching staff realized that Davis and his 205 pounds wasn't going to be any help against leaking defensive linemen anyway so they sent him out.. which was a good call.. He's a really good receiver.. Maybe not the home run threat TP is but he can catch it down the field like a receiver.. Really good hands.

 

[diamonddelts]

So how many games has Zeke had this year where he didn't average four yards a carry?

Eight

 

[Mr_437]

I'm not implying anything. I don't know who is faster and don't care. I just know that there was very little in the way of running room for the guys last night. This makes three games in a row that's been the case. I mean Zeke had a higher yards per carry last game against the Eagles and the longest run by a Cowboys RB.. Does that mean he's faster than Pollard? Was Pollard too slow hitting the holes last week?

For the record no I do not think Zeke in a knee brace after playing a thousand snaps in an NFL season is faster than Malik Davis who has played maybe a hundred. That's not the way football works especially when you're the designated battering ram for your offense. .. However I do believe that if you lined them up in July at full health and asked them to race say 60 yards Zeke would win. But Davis with fresh legs absolutely is quicker and probably faster. But his lack of size and leg drive was on full display on those runs where there were no holes. He needs to hit the weight room and the training table bigtime. The good news is he's a good back and I have said that from the jump. I watched his entire career at Florida and know his skillset well. He's a TREMENDOUS receiver.. Something I think we're going to see more of next year especially if some other team gives TP a bag.

Bro, you know Zeke is slow.
I loved Emmitt Smith, but the ES that broke the rushing record was slow and needed to go. I see Zeke the same way, Dude is a clinging on for dear life to be an average RB, and that's what happens to every RB. Funny thing is some of you are delusional about what you see. Zeke was great, but he's not that same guy...what he did 2-3 years ago ain't helping today.

Best thing for Zeke is to rest until the Playoffs, so he can have a little juice, he looks much better with ample rest.

OL not blocking? It is what it is that may not change, but do you want to put a slow RB behind a struggling OL or a fast RB who might actually break a big run so your power RB can get a TD.

 

[Mr_437]

Don't believe anyone has said any such thing. The line blew open a massive hole and he hit it. I suspect Zeke would have gotten a similar gain through that hole.. but let's say for the sake of argument he would have only gotten 10 or 15 yards on that one. Davis wasn't touched until 15 yards. I don't know how else to view that except for great blocking. Sometimes as a running back you get those and sometimes you don't.

And they didn't throw Zeke the ball.. probably because with the line taking it on the chin he was needed to stay in and block a lot. The coaching staff realized that Davis and his 205 pounds wasn't going to be any help against leaking defensive linemen anyway so they sent him out.. which was a good call.. He's a really good receiver.. Maybe not the home run threat TP is but he can catch it down the field like a receiver.. Really good hands.

Fair enough.

 

[CowboysExchange]

You sure are correct, good Sir. Davis seemed to manage 2 explosive plays, but word is that was damn near impossible for any RB.

Last week at philly zeke had 55 yards on 16 carries (But his longest run was 22 yards) 55-22=33 yards divided x 15 = 2.2 yards per carry on 15 of his carries

Zeke had 1 reception for 6 yards

Total yards from scrimmage was 61 yards on 17 touches from Zeke

Pollard had 19 yards rushing on 9 carries

But he had 61 yards on 6 touches receiving and got hurt.

Pollard had 80 yards from scrimmage total last week on 14 touches and got hurt.

Neither could run the ball

Pollard 80 yards Zeke 61 yards

Plus tony singlehandedly got the ball down to the 1 from the 20 and Zeke dove in on 1st down for the TD.

They both couldn't run last week. But 1 got open passing and moved the ball down the field to set up our 1st score.

Otherwise we're down by 17

When we get shut down rushing Zeke can block but he sucks as a receiver

If Pollard or Davis gets the toss at the 7:23 Mark in the 3rd corner instead of Zeke on the 22 yarder they go for at least 22 also

A convoy of trucks coulda got through that hole w the run blocking on that play. It was his best corner run all year. And the best te blocking I've seen.

If there is dirty yards in those stats they are miniscule.

 

[Chuck 54]

The Titans were living in our backfield. I seriously doubt that Pollard would have shined.

 

[RonnieT24]

Bro, you know Zeke is slow.
I loved Emmitt Smith, but the ES that broke the rushing record was slow and needed to go. I see Zeke the same way, Dude is a clinging on for dear life to be an average RB, and that's what happens to every RB. Funny thing is some of you are delusional about what you see. Zeke was great, but he's not that same guy...what he did 2-3 years ago ain't helping today.

Best thing for Zeke is to rest until the Playoffs, so he can have a little juice, he looks much better with ample rest.

OL not blocking? It is what it is that may not change, but do you want to put a slow RB behind a struggling OL or a fast RB who might actually break a big run so your power RB can get a TD.

McCarthy himself told us that Zeke hit 22 mph on the GPS in practice in the spring. Now that was not in full pads but we've all seen how Zeke decks out for OTAs.. Helmet, shoulder pads and sweat pants. He's not far from being in full pads. Nobody who runs 22 mph can ever be described as "slow." So I can't go there with you. I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's as fast as he was as a rookie or even as fast now with that big *** knee brace on as he was to start the season.. I agree he should absolutely NOT play next week to rest up for the playoffs.

And yes, I believe a power back is a better solution behind a struggling line than a scat back. Yes the scat back presents a better chance for an occasional big play.. but he also presents a high probability of a negative play. So which way you prefer to go is a matter of preference. Me I prefer the steady production over occasional flash. But to each his own.

 

[CowboyRoy]

But we do appreciate his blocking

Just like we did #82's

But how many playoff games, NFC championships, and Superbowls have we won blocking

No one cares how you block if all you can do is get 1.8 ypc.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Titans were living in our backfield. I seriously doubt that Pollard would have shined.

Davis had no problems doubling Zeke' average. Also had a 20 yard catch and run. Its about making guys miss and Zeke doenst do that.

 

[CowboysExchange]

McCarthy himself told us that Zeke hit 22 mph on the GPS in practice in the spring. Now that was not in full pads but we've all seen how Zeke decks out for OTAs.. Helmet, shoulder pads and sweat pants. He's not far from being in full pads. Nobody who runs 22 mph can ever be described as "slow." So I can't go there with you. I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's as fast as he was as a rookie or even as fast now with that big *** knee brace on as he was to start the season.. I agree he should absolutely NOT play next week to rest up for the playoffs.

And yes, I believe a power back is a better solution behind a struggling line than a scat back. Yes the scat back presents a better chance for an occasional big play.. but he also presents a high probability of a negative play. So which way you prefer to go is a matter of preference. Me I prefer the steady production over occasional flash. But to each his own.

I know your preference and philosophy behind your way of thinking. And I get it bruh

I've heard ya about Murray vs Randle

In theory I agree with ya 100%

But not with 2021 or 2022 Zeke. I don't agree at all

I've seen Zeke get run down way too many times for 2 years.

I can see he's not as shifty at bouncing through small holes and making guys miss like the other backs

And his Burst to hit the hole and esp the Corner has faded away into the sunset 2 years ago.

He's a N and S runner and has no home run ability over 27 yard Long all year and prolly closer to 2+ years which is very weak for a Starting Powerback

And hes not a good passing threat.

These lack of skillsets kills the element of surprise because everybody knows all of his limitations and tendencies

We're taking guys that can do everything but block as well and power run for 1-2 yards off the field

I'd rather roll w the 2 scat backs that have more speed and better skillsets until we draft a power back w speed like I suggested 2 years ago.

The stats show they can do just as good or better with their speed over Zeke's minor better power. Use Zeke for short yardage

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Whoop de do!

If that's not impressive idk what is, especially for a team with the history the Cowboys have had. This aint being second all time in Jacksonville

 

[CowboysExchange]

When Gurley got banged up they cut him and ate all the dead money

Life goes on

Grab another one and move on

It's football

 

[terra]

I know your preference and philosophy behind your way of thinking. And I get it bruh

I've heard ya about Murray vs Randle

In theory I agree with ya 100%

But not with 2021 or 2022 Zeke. I don't agree at all

I've seen Zeke get run down way too many times for 2 years.

I can see he's not as shifty at bouncing through small holes and making guys miss like the other backs

And his Burst to hit the hole and esp the Corner has faded away into the sunset 2 years ago.

He's a N and S runner and has no home run ability over 27 yard Long all year and prolly closer to 2+ years which is very weak for a Starting Powerback

And hes not a good passing threat.

These lack of skillsets kills the element of surprise because everybody knows all of his limitations and tendencies

We're taking guys that can do everything but block as well and power run for 1-2 yards off the field

I'd rather roll w the 2 scat backs that have more speed and better skillsets until we draft a power back w speed like I suggested 2 years ago.

The stats show they can do just as good or better with their speed over Zeke's minor better power. Use Zeke for short yardage

Haters will hate. Congratulations on making a thread of total garbage.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

19 attempts for 37 yards.
1.9 ypc.

3.9ypc for the year.


Without Pollard, the running game was putrid. Zeke is beyond washed up.

Sadly true.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Haters will hate. Congratulations on making a thread of total garbage.

Loving Zeke or winning rings

Life goes on bruh

He's not gonna get tds if he's just getting snaps between the 20's

Js