Zimm on Mazi: "He's doing a really good job"

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I think Zimmer & Zgonina are trying to get him to master (as much as possible) one thing at a time. Step 1 is literally becoming a brick wall...but, as Zgonina pointed out in some of the videos I've seen, he HAS TO STOP lifting his leg when anchoring (seems to be his right leg each time).
 

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This is why you don’t get too high or low on a player early in camp. It’s also why you don’t put too much stock into Twitter clips and generic phrasing like “is getting pushed around”

This is absolutely coach speak but pay attention to the details. Zim is talking about hand placement (which he has about mazi all offseason), taking on double teams, and having a general understanding of his role within the defense. These are the things to analyze as the Twitter clips come in, not always did he win/lose a specific rep.
 

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Like Zin said, he isn't a speed rusher and everyone needs to remember that.
“He’s gonna have to be a power rusher and push the pocket. But as far as the run game, what I’ve seen so far I’ve been impressed with him. He’s doing a really good job. Now he’s gotta keep it up. I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen with him, along with the rest of the defensive line.”
These next 4-5 weeks are going to be important to him. Hopefully the light will come all the way on.

I feel way more confident about the coaching he is getting this year than last year. WAY more.
 

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This is why we can't trust the words of beat writers/posters (the thread that Mazi was not looking good ). As many have said, it's hard for fans to truly evaluate DT impact via practice.


Beat writers/scouts at camp know what they're looking at since they've been doing it for years....We're a week into camp, don't read too much into what Zimmers said, what did you expect Zimmer to say, Mazi sucks, why is he even on the team? Ofcourse he's trying to stay positive about the player..
 

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If he can become the next Pat Williams...it's a win. But so far.. .he's a far cry from even being that. You just don't see the get off...and he's always catching blocks. Never a good thing. Think this is even a bigger whiff than Trystan already.
 

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I am hoping that our D caused more issues with the entire play of this team because of DQ.
 

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This is absolutely coach speak but pay attention to the details. Zim is talking about hand placement (which he has about mazi all offseason), taking on double teams, and having a general understanding of his role within the defense. These are the things to analyze as the Twitter clips come in, not always did he win/lose a specific rep.
Bingo! Some of us tend to forget/overlook the coach's role in players' assignments. In other words, we can't always trust our eyes w/o knowing what some coaches are ASKING some players to do. DLaw is a good example.........he does a lot of dirty work that won't be on a stat sheet but has just much, if not more impact on the game.
 

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Beat writers/scouts at camp know what they're looking at since they've been doing it for years....We're a week into camp, don't read too much into what Zimmers said, what did you expect Zimmer to say, Mazi sucks, why is he even on the team? Ofcourse he's trying to stay positive about the player..
Disagree.

Beat writers... aren't scouts. They're guys like us who write for a living. No one's knocking on their door trying to lure them away from journalism and into the scouting domain. We put these guys up on pedestals sometimes for no actual reason other than that they're familiar to us, and we can become inclined to think they're smart and friendly, and we like them. And they may be smart and friendly, but that doesn't make them experts.

Scouts in the media are a full step above the others, though guys like Broaddus will try to talk with them as-if they're equals because... well, that's his job now. Who's the fool who's going to be constantly pulling the card, "You've never been a scout" when talking with radio talkers... all of us like to be liked... so Broaddus capitulates with reckless abandon, of course.

But even Broaddus is just one scout. Even if he's the most insightful and wise scout, teams don't employ just one scout. They employ a corps of scouts because it's just understood, you need multiple voices in a room when the decisions require so much subjective intel in addition to the objective intel.

And. Broaddus is not the most insightful and wise scout. He'll tell you that, to his credit. And he's apparently right, because... again... no one appears to be banging on his door begging him to get back into anyone's front office, either.

Zimmer? I get the skepticism, but when you listen to his words and his tone of voice, I get nothing but sincerity. Zimmer doesn't resist saying what Mazi won't be able to do. He acknowledges that. But then he goes on to speak to what he's seeing. I just don't take him as head faking, me.

I think some fans... not necessarily anyone contributing to this thread, because I really haven't studied any of the names in the posts... are just a little disappointed to hear anything that isn't a slam against Mazi, but I hope I'm wrong about that.

My take is that I'm most interested in former coaches' takes... then either former players or scouts are about the same, imo... and then there's the rest of us, some employed in media, some just posting in social media.
 

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This is why we can't trust the words of beat writers/posters (the thread that Mazi was not looking good ). As many have said, it's hard for fans to truly evaluate DT impact via practice.


Cowboys DC Mike Zimmer on DT Mazi Smith: “What we’re asking him to do, he’s doing a really good job. You might not see him make flash plays, but we see him taking on double-teams, getting his hands in the right place. I see him understanding where he’s supposed to be. He’s not gonna be a speed rusher by any stretch. “He’s gonna have to be a power rusher and push the pocket. But as far as the run game, what I’ve seen so far I’ve been impressed with him. He’s doing a really good job. Now he’s gotta keep it up. I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen with him, along with the rest of the defensive line.”

If he can just occupy 2 blockers when he’s in there then he’s doing his job.
 

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I know it's just coach speak but still so much better that posting stuff from Bobby Never Played A Down Belt or Bryan The Game Passed Me By Like 26 Years Ago Broaddus.
I tend to ignore Broaddus’s evaluation of players as he’s more often wrong than right. But I do enjoy his comments on actual plays and schemes and such. I’ve learned a few things from him.
 

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Disagree.

Beat writers... aren't scouts. They're guys like us who write for a living. No one's knocking on their door trying to lure them away from journalism and into the scouting domain. We put these guys up on pedestals sometimes for no actual reason other than that they're familiar to us, and we can become inclined to think they're smart and friendly, and we like them. And they may be smart and friendly, but that doesn't make them experts.

Scouts in the media are a full step above the others, though guys like Broaddus will try to talk with them as-if they're equals because... well, that's his job now. Who's the fool who's going to be constantly pulling the card, "You've never been a scout" when talking with radio talkers... all of us like to be liked... so Broaddus capitulates with reckless abandon, of course.

But even Broaddus is just one scout. Even if he's the most insightful and wise scout, teams don't employ just one scout. They employ a corps of scouts because it's just understood, you need multiple voices in a room when the decisions require so much subjective intel in addition to the objective intel.

And. Broaddus is not the most insightful and wise scout. He'll tell you that, to his credit. And he's apparently right, because... again... no one appears to be banging on his door begging him to get back into anyone's front office, either.

Zimmer? I get the skepticism, but when you listen to his words and his tone of voice, I get nothing but sincerity. Zimmer doesn't resist saying what Mazi won't be able to do. He acknowledges that. But then he goes on to speak to what he's seeing. I just don't take him as head faking, me.

I think some fans... not necessarily anyone contributing to this thread, because I really haven't studied any of the names in the posts... are just a little disappointed to hear anything that isn't a slam against Mazi, but I hope I'm wrong about that.

My take is that I'm most interested in former coaches' takes... then either former players or scouts are about the same, imo... and then there's the rest of us, some employed in media, some just posting in social media.
Beat writers have sources in the building telling them what issues are with certain players, Brian Broaddus, a former scout has pointed out these issues.....You don't need to be a scout or a coach to watch Mazi's issues from last year, he's slow off the line at the snap, far too often he just doesn't shed blocks, no pass rush moves, he gets turned easily and spends far too much time on one foot, and his one move is a bull rush, The Dline coach and zimmer are on Mazi after almost every play because he's not getting it.....
 

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I'm just sayin i trust what the beat writers will say more than what a coach will say at this point of camp....Zim isnt gonna trash the kid this early. The beat writers are saying the 7th rd kid from auburn is looking better than mazi....
 

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Zimmer is trying to salvage the pick with happy talk. Here is another source saying Mazi isn't getting it done. Broaddus and Cavanaugh spent most of their time observing Zgonia trying to coach up Mazi. After 3 years at Michigan and a year here, he still has to be reminded (yelled at) play after play to keep his feet on the ground and hands up and inside. If he doesn't do those fundamental things even average NFL lineman will skate him around the field. Go to the 6:30 mark of this video. These guys add bad body language, as in does he want to be here?


 

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Beat writers have sources in the building telling them what issues are with certain players, Brian Broaddus, a former scout has pointed out these issues.....You don't need to be a scout or a coach to watch Mazi's issues from last year, he's slow off the line at the snap, far too often he just doesn't shed blocks, no pass rush moves, he gets turned easily and spends far too much time on one foot, and his one move is a bull rush, The Dline coach and zimmer are on Mazi after almost every play because he's not getting it.....
Nothing said here actually debunks anything I wrote, with the exception that you bring up that beat writers may sometimes be telling us things they're hearing from "sources in the building." And that's fair. But if you think you're able to discern when the opinion is coming from "sources in the building" versus coming from the media person him/herself, please enlighten us... because I'm predisposed to the belief that the vast majority isn't coming from anyone in the building, or at least, anyone in the building who is actually in charge of anything important... maybe the guy washing the unis has an opinion, though, that's worthy of hearing, you never know.

As for your ragging on Mazi, that's fine. I'm making no final assessments myself, just 3 days into real practice, whether based on your observations or Zimmer's, either one. In fact, I'm pretty content to just stay allergic to anything conclusive for probably another 3-4 weeks, really. I've just found that to make more sense over the decades, and maybe especially in any year when there's a new coaching regime installing their stuff. That's just me, though.
 

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I like zims approach as well as Jeff Z. They are treating it as if they are teaching the most basic fundamentals then seeing where it all goes from there. Its what the Dr Ordered. Basically, it takes time to undo bad fundamentals and habits,then re-install the correct ones. This approach has been sorely needed even before we hired Mike Nolan. Id say going back 10 years. DQ was great improvising but not coaching fundamentals and riding guys hard when they needed it. He wanted to be their Pal. Zimmer might not garner much media attention, nor might not allow this D to look great, but one thig I know, he will maximize what players he has been given to coach.Thats why I trust Mazi and guys like Carl Davis JUST MIGHT have his best year under Zimmers teachings and coach Zgunnia. The 2 coach "Zs "
 
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