Zimmer good or bad coach

[blindzebra]

Zimmer's defense has been at the league's bottom for nearly every year he has been the DC. He is too conservative and puts not pressure on the quarterback. With all the time quarterback's have to throw, they usually find the open reciever. Brunell to Moss. Manning to Shockey. If your going to give a weak cover two, might as well put some pressure on the quarterback.

I rest my case.

 

[neosapien23]

I rest my case.

sorry forgot to put at getting sacks. Zimmer's defenses never get enough pressure on the quarterback and are always on the league bottom for sacks. He gives a cover two to stop the big play, and yet the big plays happen frequently against us. My last post was a little bit rushed.

 

[Kilyin]

Zimmer's defense ranked 10 overall by NFL rankings, 11 by Aikman while saturated with rookies and an injury ridden Linebacker corps in the first year of a new scheme. Not quite where it needs to be, but it produced just as many sacks as Combover Capers' defense - who seems to be idolized and revered for some unfathomable reason by an alarming number of posters on this board after years of coaching mediocrity and a defense that ranked 31 in NFL rankings and 32 by Aikman this season.

Houston's defense also ranked dead last in turnovers this year. Don't tell me a defensive minded HC wasn't giving any input into his team's defensive scheme. That would be pretty naive. My guess is that Capers is riding a reputation from many years ago in Pittsburgh that he probably didn't really earn in the first place. And you want this guy in charge of our defense? The last thing we need is another coordinator that Parcells needs to keep on a leash.

That being said, I don't care if Zimmer stays or goes. If he's an iota as bad as most people rate him here, he has no chance whatsoever of being hired as a HC, so get used to him. Defense is hardly the main area of concern for this team. Linebackers? Yeah, but Zimmer did an okay job this year, IMO.

 

[neosapien23]

Zimmer's defense ranked 10 overall by NFL rankings, 11 by Aikman while saturated with rookies and an injury ridden Linebacker corps in the first year of a new scheme. Not quite where it needs to be, but it produced just as many sacks as Combover Capers' defense - who seems to be idolized and revered for some unfathomable reason by an alarming number of posters on this board after years of coaching mediocrity and a defense that ranked 31 in NFL rankings and 32 by Aikman this season.

Houston's defense also ranked dead last in turnovers this year. Don't tell me a defensive minded HC wasn't giving any input into his team's defensive scheme. That would be pretty naive. My guess is that Capers is riding a reputation from many years ago in Pittsburgh that he probably didn't really earn in the first place. And you want this guy in charge of our defense? The last thing we need is another coordinator that Parcells needs to keep on a leash.

That being said, I don't care if Zimmer stays or goes. If he's an iota as bad as most people rate him here, he has no chance whatsoever of being hired as a HC, so get used to him. Defense is hardly the main area of concern for this team. Linebackers? Yeah, but Zimmer did an okay job this year, IMO.

This year BP ran the defense, why do you think Payton handled all the play calling on offense. This year's defense was more a testament to Parcells than it was to Zimmer. Other than this year our defense hasn't played up to its talent.

 

[Kilyin]

sorry forgot to put at getting sacks. Zimmer's defenses never get enough pressure on the quarterback and are always on the league bottom for sacks.

Only if you're stuck in 2004.

In 2005 Dallas ranked 17th in sacks. That's not quite at the bottom.

 

[neosapien23]

Only if you're stuck in 2004.

In 2005 Dallas ranked 17th in sacks. That's not quite at the bottom.

Yeah but I credit this years turn around to Parcells. See the post above yours.

 

[Kilyin]

This year BP ran the defense, why do you think Payton handled all the play calling on offense. This year's defense was more a testament to Parcells than it was to Zimmer. Other than this year our defense hasn't played up to its talent.

You don't know who called the plays, so why pretend you do? Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

 

[neosapien23]

You don't know who called the plays, so why pretend you do? Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Parcells said Payon made all the offensive play calls. Parcells said that not me.
Unless your talking about the defense, then your right I don't know. Just assumed that BP took a more proactive role with the 3-4 since he let Payton run the offense.

 

[jksmith269]

Like mad wows. 2 excuses in 1 sentence. It just gets better and better.




ANd the excuses continue.



I pray to God that you are wrong.




All I ever see for Zimmer is excuses. Lets say he is back next year. We still get no more pressure on QBs and still are no good at forcin turnovers or sacks or tackles for losses. God only knows what excuses will be made for Zimmer then.

If excuses were what made a DC great then Mike Zimmer would be the greatest DC ever. The excuses I have seen in this thread have given me a good laugh I have to say.

I look at our defense as it has done good in spite of Mike Zimmer. Not because of him. I look at it as how much better our D would be with a guy like Capers or Greg Williams.

It would not matter if we had a HOFer at every position on defense we would still suck at sackin QBs and forcin turnovers. I have said it before. It will take gettin a real DC in here for some of you Zimmer lovers to see how he sucks. It will take a guy like Caper to come here and then Ware gets 15+ sacks for some to finally see it.

I look at Zimmer as someone who wastin away the talent we have on our D with his read and react bend dont break never pressure the QB defense.

You just don't get it do you.... BP said he thought Zimmer was to aggressive on his play calling so who do you think tells him what blitz packages to use and which one's to use? Zimmer really only gets to decide when to use them. No offense you don't have to lead the league in sacks to have the best or even one of the best D's in the NFL if its sacks your wanting your missing more than the point you missed the bus. It's about keeping the opposing team off the field and out of the endzone. We lead the league in TOP and one of the lowest in opponents scoring we gave up 19.2 points per game average which was 12th in the league....

 

[neosapien23]

off topic here. jksmith269 What service where you in? I see you have all their symbols.

 

[jksmith269]

off topic here. jksmith269 What service where you in? I see you have all their symbols.

USN

but I'm proud, and respectful of all the branches, and any who serve....

 

[neosapien23]

Yeah I was in the Army for 4 years. I was in the 101st Airborne Division and did a year long tour in Iraq. Right now I'm in college trying to finish up a degree.

 

[jksmith269]

Yeah I was in the Army for 4 years. I was in the 101st Airborne Division and did a year long tour in Iraq. Right now I'm in college trying to finish up a degree.

Good for you. I was in during the first trip to Iraq in the early 90's...

Are you using your GI bill or did you get Voc Rehab from the VA?

 

[JakeCamp12]

Zimmer is a good coach, he is just not very creative in how he schemes for a team. You rarely see him throw any new wrinkles into a game plan just for 1 opponent. His blitz packages are just so vanilla and boring.

 

[neosapien23]

Good for you. I was in during the first trip to Iraq in the early 90's...

Are you using your GI bill or did you get Voc Rehab from the VA?

GI Bill. I am also working as a student aid here at the Texas Workforce Commission. I work for the VA rep. I left the Army as an LVN but no one is hiring LVNs here on a part time basis.

 

[marsbennett]

I think most of us are forgetting Zimmer was a rookie in the 34 this year just like most of the players on D. I think with him just like with the players he will be better calling the D next year and we will see it run to it's fullest. I don't see many teams playing as many rookies and lacking a true FS finishing in the top 10 in D their first year in that scheme. I don't think he did the best job but it could have been a lot worse, and I think it will be much better next year. I also doubt very seriously he will get a HC job with any team this year, nor do I think BP will release him.

That's my take I know it won't sit well with many on this board but oh well... I like Zimmer and think he's doing a good job. I don't see how any time a teams D finishes in the top 10 you can say the DC isn't doing a good job.

Very Good..............For a 4-3 Defense.


For a 3-4 Defense......on the job training. That's not good for an NFL DC, imo.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Zimmer is a good coach, he is just not very creative in how he schemes for a team. You rarely see him throw any new wrinkles into a game plan just for 1 opponent. His blitz packages are just so vanilla and boring.

Agreed. He'll never be compared with Greg Williams or Little Bill but he seems to produce solid results when he has some talented players.

 

[koolaid]

i like zim, maybe a little too conservative at times but i like how he does things

 

[AbeBeta]

Zimmer is a good coach, he is just not very creative in how he schemes for a team. You rarely see him throw any new wrinkles into a game plan just for 1 opponent. His blitz packages are just so vanilla and boring.

actually, I thought he was a bit more creative early in the season. especially in the way he was using Roy -- but you lose a starting CB and half of your LBs and you can't be as aggresive. Also, keep in mind that he was playing a number of rookies and several guys who were struggling to understand the system. Wrinkles are no good when you've got guys still grasping the basics.

all that and we still had a very good D.