ZONERS: Identify yourself who liked the kicker we drafted!

[CrazyCowboy]

ZONERS:

I cut this out of Micky Spags answer about our punter.....he spoke of our Kicker and his chances to make the team.

WHO or WHY did you Zoners get me excited about the rookie kicker we drafted who could consistantly BOOM them out of the dang ENDZONE!

Talk to me!

DID WE WASTE A PICK?

He did a decent job last year, and from I've seen so far, rookie Nick Folk is going to have to come on if he's going to force his way onto the roster.

 

[Champsheart]

ZONERS:

I cut this out of Micky Spags answer about our punter.....he spoke of our Kicker and his chances to make the team.

WHO or WHY did you Zoners get me excited about the rookie kicker we drafted who could consistantly BOOM them out of the dang ENDZONE!

Talk to me!

DID WE WASTE A PICK?

Never liked the pick, but it is still early.

 

[Future]

i hate the idea of drafting a kicker...ever

 

[Idgit]

ZONERS:

I cut this out of Micky Spags answer about our punter.....he spoke of our Kicker and his chances to make the team.

WHO or WHY did you Zoners get me excited about the rookie kicker we drafted who could consistantly BOOM them out of the dang ENDZONE!

Talk to me!

DID WE WASTE A PICK?

I hate him, but only because he's a Wildcat. I bet he kicks like they win Rose Bowls.

 

[rojan]

I do like him but not enough for him to be the 2nd kicker on the team. If he flat out beats Garmatica in TC than Im all for it but if not than Id rather have an extra WR,CB OR OLmen than an extra kicker.

 

[speedkilz88]

They are called mediots for a reason.

OTA Observations

Rookie receiver Isaiah Stanback, still recovering from last fall's foot surgery, appeared to be running smoothly with the Cowboys trainers and said he's made "huge strides" this week. "I was running full-speed routes this week, cutting full speed, everything," Stanback said. "It's still not 100 percent, but it was looking good. Felt good." Stanback said he's still targeting training camp for his full return, though he might try to participate in some individual drills during next weekend's mini-camp.

Had a nice chat with second-year safety Pat Watkins, who has done some traveling recently. Not across the globe, mind you -- that's for another off-season. Watkins, a Florida native, wanted to see what the great state of Texas had to offer. "I'd never even been to Texas until I moved out here to play for the Cowboys," he said.

I missed most of the first mini-camp because of DCC duties, but rookie kicker Nick Folk's leg appears as strong as advertised. Kickoffs certainly weren't a strong suit for the Cowboys last season, and Folk can provide that if Wade Phillips can find room for him on the roster.

Published Friday, June 01, 2007 4:39 PM by rphillips

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88629&highlight=Nick+Folk

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I think drafting a young leg was cool, I mean they could have did worse. Folk might be the kickoff guy...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ive never seen him kick live so i would have no way to tell. The reports on him were very very mixed but thats why TC and preseason are fun.

 

[JakeCamp12]

I trust Jeff Ireland until he proves me wrong...I will say I like the pick....

 

[Alexander]

If he does not kick FGs better than Gramatica, the pick is a waste.

End of story.

A kickoff specialist is a waste of a roster spot.

All that says is that your kickoff coverage is terrible.

 

[Hostile]

He was the best kicking prospect in the Draft. A 6th round pick is a roll of the dice. It was worth the risk.

He will pin teams deep on kickoffs. He has a chance to beat out Martin. He can be an emergency Punter if McBriar gets hurt.

No guts, no glory.

 

[Pukindog]

He was the best kicking prospect in the Draft. A 6th round pick is a roll of the dice. It was worth the risk.

He will pin teams deep on kickoffs. He has a chance to beat out Martin. He can be an emergency Punter if McBriar gets hurt.

No guts, no glory.

Is the world coming to an end? Hos defending a kicker?

 

[Hostile]

Is the world coming to an end? Hos defending a kicker?

More like defending the scouting department.

 

[Alexander]

He was the best kicking prospect in the Draft. A 6th round pick is a roll of the dice. It was worth the risk.

He will pin teams deep on kickoffs. He has a chance to beat out Martin. He can be an emergency Punter if McBriar gets hurt.

No guts, no glory.

"Kicking" prospect? Obviously not placekicking. But overall "kicking", you are right.

If you really want a true placekicker, he is not as accurate as necessary. He had a great combine and that is to his credit, but if you look at his overall numbers, there is a reason why he was ranked where he was prior to the draft. He was not accurate.

If you want a combination player who can boom the kickoffs and hope you can get better with his accuracy, fine.

We had another kicker around who had the same profile. Great on kickoffs, but spotty on FG kicking (what really counts).

His name was Jose Cortez.

 

[Pukindog]

More like defending the scouting department.

I stand corrected.

 

[MCowboys]

How many 6th round picks even make the team let alone play a lot? If Folk can be a good kick off specialist right away and then develop into a good kicker in a year or two then it's a pretty good pick. Montavious Stanley, Justin Beriault, Rob Pettiti, B.J. Tucker and Zuriel Smith were are last 5 sixth round picks. If Folk makes ANY IMPACT it's not a bad pick.

 

[dogunwo]

He was the best kicking prospect in the Draft. A 6th round pick is a roll of the dice. It was worth the risk.

He will pin teams deep on kickoffs. He has a chance to beat out Martin. He can be an emergency Punter if McBriar gets hurt.

No guts, no glory.

I hope he just straight out beats Automatica. I dont want to feel like we wasted a pick, and I dont want to carry two kickers. We are going to need the extra spots.

 

[Hostile]

"Kicking" prospect? Obviously not placekicking. But overall "kicking", you are right.

If you really want a true placekicker, he is not as accurate as necessary. He had a great combine and that is to his credit, but if you look at his overall numbers, there is a reason why he was ranked where he was prior to the draft. He was not accurate.

If you want a combination player who can boom the kickoffs and hope you can get better with his accuracy, fine.

We had another kicker around who had the same profile. Great on kickoffs, but spotty on FG kicking (what really counts).

His name was Jose Cortez.

Since I am not given to hyperbole I figure I should defend my comment that he was the best kicker in the Draft. Here is what he did this year for a putrid Arizona Wildcat team. Notice how few PATs he had to attempt. Notice how often he punted from real deep. Notice how his FG misses are all over 41 yards. The one blocked was a freaking jailbreak.

After you look at this if you still feel he isn't accurate and only a kickoff guy then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. No freaking way. He got better each year, and had to try mostly long FGs and even kicked under pressure. Plus he was also the Punter which is added pressure.

Oh, for anyone wondered about the kickoffs vs. Oregon. Mostly squib kicks to prevent a return. Links provided. I will try and find breakdowns of the 2 missing games.

PATs Attempts...22
PATs Made...22
1/19 yards 0/0
20/29 yards 5/5
30/39 yards 4/5
40/49 yards 5/9
50+ 1/1

One miss under 40 yards, obviously in one of the 2 games I couldn't find the breakdown. One other attempt from 40+ that was missed that I also did not find. 9 of 10 from 39 yards in. 6 of 10 from beyond 40 yards. 100% on PATs.

I stand by what I said. You can make up your own minds.




9/2/06 vs. BYU

1st Quarter...Link

Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
30 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.

2nd Quarter...Link

22 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff 65 for yards...touchback.
Punt for 58 yards.

3rd Quarter...Link

PAT attempt...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.

4th Quarter... Link

Punt for 75 yards.
Punt for 50 yards.
48 yard FG attempt with 4 seconds left...good.
Squib kickoff for 20 yards to kill the clock.

9/9/06 @ LSU

1st Quarter...Link

Punt 34 yards.
Punt for 44 yards.

2nd Quarter...Link

Punt for 50 yards.
Punt for 38 yards downed at the 5.

3rd Quarter...Link

Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt for 41 yards.
Punt for 50 yards downed at the 8.

4th Quarter...Link

23 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.

9/16/06 vs. Stephen F. Austin...he did not play.

9/23/06 vs. USC

1st Quarter...Link

Punt for 40 yards...touchback
Punt for 38 yards to the 9.

2nd Quarter...Link

Punt for 37 yards.
46 yard FG attempt...blocked.
Punt 52 yards to the 16.

3rd Quarter...Link

Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt for 46 yards.

4th Quarter...Link

43 yard FG attempt...Good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt for 36 yards.
Punt for 51 yards.

9/30/06 vs. Washington

1st Quarter...Link

Punt for 51 yards.
Punt for 43 yards.
Punt for 31 yards.
Punt for 42 yards.

2nd Quarter...Link

52 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt for 38 yards.
Punt for 60 yards...touchback.

3rd Quarter...Link

41 yard FG attempt...missed.
PAT...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt for 57 yards.

4th Quarter...Link

Punt for 51 yards.
Punt for 37 yards.

10/7/06 @ UCLA

1st Quarter...Link

Punt for 53 yards.
Punt 34 yards to the 16.
Punt for 39 yards.

2nd Quarter...Link

PAT...Good.
Onside kick attempt failed.
48 yard FG attempt...missed.

3rd Quarter...Link

Kickoff 63 yards to the 19.
Punt 56 yards to the 12.

4th Quarter...Link

Punt for 37 yards.
Punt for 45 yards.

10/14/06 @ Stanford

Quarter by quarter stats not listed.

2 PATs...good.
45 yard FG...good.
24 yard FG...good.
4 punts for 37.4 avg. long of 54 yards.

10/21/06 vs. Oregon State

1st Quarter...Link

Punt for 56 yards to the 6.
Punt for 46 yards.

2nd Quarter...Link

Punt 51 yards...touchback.
30 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.


3rd Quarter...Link

Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt 78 yards...touchback.
PAT...good.
Punt 42 yards.

4th Quarter...Link

Punt for 23 to the 15.

11/4/06 @ Washington State

Quarter by quarter stats not listed.

3 PATs
48 yard FG
37 yard FG
7 punts 39.1 avg. long of 56.

11/11/06 vs. California

1st Quarter...Link

Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt for 49 yards...returned 95 yards for a TD.
Punt for 65 yards to the 20.
39 yard FG attempt...Good.
Punt 42 yards to the 12.

2nd Quarter...Link

Punt 47 yards...touchback.
Punt 37 yards to the 11.
Punt 41 yards to the 9.

3rd Quarter...Link

Punt 52 yards.
PAT...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards returned to the 13.

4th Quarter...Link

PAT...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
PAT...good.
Kickoff 48 yards.Punt for 41 yards.Punt for 46 yards to the 1.

11/18/06 @ Oregon

1st Quarter...Link

Kickoff for 65 yards, returned to the 20.
Punt 33 yards to the 15.
PAT...good.
Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
PAT...good.

2nd Quarter...Link

Kickoff 55 yards out of bounds.
Punt for 43 yards.
PAT...good.
Kickoff 57 yards.
29 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff for 38 yards.

3rd Quarter...Link

Punt 54 yards to the 8.
28 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff 55 yards, returned to the 20.
PAT...good.
Kickoff 57 yards.

4th Quarter...Link

45 yard FG attempt...good.
Kickoff 65 yards, returned to the 30.
Punt 37 yards...touchback.
Punt 49 yards to the 16.

11/25/06 vs. Arizona State

1st Quarter...Link

Kickoff for 65 yards...touchback.
Punt 56 yards...touchback.
Punt 23 yards to the 22.

2nd Quarter...Link

PAT...good.
Punt 54 yards...touchback.
Punt for 47 yards.
PAT...good.
Kickoff 38 yards, fair catch.

4th Quarter...Link

Punt 49 yards to the 3.
Punt 29 yards to the 24.

 

[dogunwo]

I am convinced.

 

[CowboyMike]

At first I didn't like the thought of drafting a kicker, but as I thought about it more I figured they saw something in the kid.

I'll trust the GM, coach, and scouts in their decision and pray it works out.