FEATURED A standing ovation for a future HOFer

The shame is that we had 3 HOFers on the same team for almost a decade and we couldn’t even win a divisional playoff game. (Martin, Witten and Tyron Smith) Not being willing or able to put enough talent and coaching around those guys is a travesty.

Also a shame we could barely muster any running game in all but one of their playoff losses.

None would get my vote! Not just picking on them, Deion Sanders would not get my vote either

Rhonde Barber > Deion
 
joins the list of our greatest offensive linemen...ever.
☆ralph neely
☆rayfield wright
☆john niland
☆blaine nye
☆john fitzgerald
☆tom rafferty
☆pat donovan
☆herb scott
☆nate newton
☆mark tuinei
☆erik williams
☆larry allen
☆tyron smith
☆travis frederick
and now...
☆zack martin
:starspin:OUR☆HISTORY:starspin:
Who you taking as your starting oline from that list? I think I'm taking Larry Allen and Zack Martin to man the guard positions.
 
The shame is that we had 3 HOFers on the same team for almost a decade and we couldn’t even win a divisional playoff game. (Martin, Witten and Tyron Smith) Not being willing or able to put enough talent and coaching around those guys is a travesty.

Also a shame we could barely muster any running game in all but one of their playoff losses.

None would get my vote! Not just picking on them, Deion Sanders would not get my vote either

Rhonde Barber > Deion
Just so I understand….So you wouldn’t put Zack Martin in the HOF?
 
Who you taking as your starting oline from that list? I think I'm taking Larry Allen and Zack Martin to man the guard positions.
thats a helluva duo.
if you take them...i'll take herb scott and nate newton for my og's.

my ot's to your og's would be rayfield wright and tyron smith.
tom rafferty at c...although i do love travis frederick.
 
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Forget 80% of the vote. Zack Martin receives 100% of Board of Selectors' votes through all three preliminary rounds and the final round. Even one dissenter will mean unquestionable Cowboys bias.
He’s eligible for the class of ‘31, correct? I’m sure he’ll be held in high regard. But before casting aspirations at selectors let’s see what other players are eligible when he is. I realize Cowboys fans are never homers and do not have any bias in regard to Cowboys players, but there might be a host of worthy candidates when Martin is on the ballot.
 
The shame is that we had 3 HOFers on the same team for almost a decade and we couldn’t even win a divisional playoff game. (Martin, Witten and Tyron Smith) Not being willing or able to put enough talent and coaching around those guys is a travesty.

Also a shame we could barely muster any running game in all but one of their playoff losses.

None would get my vote! Not just picking on them, Deion Sanders would not get my vote either

Rhonde Barber > Deion
Barber over Sanders? :lmao:

Deion is probably the best CB ever……
 
Well, didn't we know this was coming? I think I said previously that if he's thinking about retiring, he's already retired. So this is sad, but we knew in our hearts. We saw the decline over the last 2 years. It was significant. Then he couldn't get healthy. He knew too. Now the question is, do we slide Bebee over to RG for the next 10 years? I would. Hoffman already showed us he might be the better center . The Domino effect might be the new Oline coach might reshuffle the line and move Guyton over to RT where he honestly, is better suited. Move Smith back to LT and leave him alone. This leaves open competition at LG . I think Steele will be the swing. Or he's traded. Martin retiring will make us retool and reimagine the line. Sad day to see him go.
 
He’s eligible for the class of ‘31, correct? I’m sure he’ll be held in high regard. But before casting aspirations at selectors let’s see what other players are eligible when he is. I realize Cowboys fans are never homers and do not have any bias in regard to Cowboys players, but there might be a host of worthy candidates when Martin is on the ballot.
Your Devil's Advocate opinion reminds me of the two central Board of Selectors arguments for every Pro Football Hall of Fame candidate. It is either a debate of:
  1. Hall of Fame worthiness versus 'Hall of the Very Good'
  2. Points and counterpoints even more weak than #1
Okay. "There might be a host of worthy candidates when Martin is on the ballot." Premise: Candidate does not get in on the first-ballot because other players are 'more worthy'. Let's do a player versus player comparison!

Cleveland Browns' Joe Thomas was Zack Martin's teammate on the 2010's NFL All-Decade Team (teams are selected by the Board of Selectors). Candidate arguments are always littered with team accomplishments. During the 2010's with Thomas, the Browns were in the AFC North cellar every season except 2010.

Martin? With the Cowboys, the team finished first in the NFC East, last in the division only once, and made the divisional round of the playoffs three times. No Super Bowls, no Super Bowl runner ups, no conference championship appearances BUT 'team crap' arguably better than what the Browns did with Thomas.

Get this out of the way first. Thomas made ten Pro Bowls versus Martin's nine Pro Bowls. I do not think the Selectors argue Pro Bowls as vehemently as they did years ago but there it is.

The Associated Press decides All-Pro selections. Thomas was picked six times as a first-teamer. 'First-team' is the measure of all-pro acknowledgment. Thomas received two second-team all-pro selections also.

Martin? He was selected as an all-pro seven times. As an aside, he received two second-team
all-pro picks as well.

Joe Thomas was rightfully inducted in the Hall on the first ballot (link). Thomas entered the Hall while the following players were denied entry. In parenthesis are the number of times a player had been a yearly finalist up until-and-at the time Thomas was enshrined
  • Jared Allen (3)
  • Willie Anderson (2)
  • Dwight Freeney
  • Devin Hester (2)
  • Torry Holt (4)
  • Andre Johnson (2)
  • Albert Lewis
  • Reggie Wayne (4)
  • Patrick Willis (2)
  • Darren Woodson
Seems like a respectable ' a host of worthy candidates' to me.

You know... let's put a pin in this sub-discussion, shall we? Table it until Martin's first year of eligibility. Everyone can then see Martin's competition at that time, who, I guess, will BLOW that sampling of candidates above out of the water when Thomas got in on his first try.

Incredible.
 
joins the list of our greatest offensive linemen...ever.
☆ralph neely
☆rayfield wright
☆john niland
☆blaine nye
☆john fitzgerald
☆tom rafferty
☆pat donovan
☆herb scott
☆nate newton
☆mark tuinei
☆erik williams
☆larry allen
☆tyron smith
☆travis frederick
and now...
☆zack martin
:starspin:OUR☆HISTORY:starspin:
I would offer that the only Cowboy OL that has performed better or dominated longer is Larry Allen.
 
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The shame is that we had 3 HOFers on the same team for almost a decade and we couldn’t even win a divisional playoff game. (Martin, Witten and Tyron Smith) Not being willing or able to put enough talent and coaching around those guys is a travesty.

Also a shame we could barely muster any running game in all but one of their playoff losses.

None would get my vote! Not just picking on them, Deion Sanders would not get my vote either

Rhonde Barber > Deion
I needed the belly laugh this post of driveling stupidity got me
 
I was saddened but not surprised to see the great Zack Martin decide it was time to retire. Guys with this level of greatness deserve more than just a round of applause. This is the kind of player that does not come along often. Zack Martin will have a bust in Canton and his name in the Cowboys Ring of Honor.

Martin is one of the greatest players EVER to wear the star as a Dallas Cowboy. He will be remembered along with other great Cowboys Hall of Fame offensive lineman like Larry Allen, Rayfield Wright, and another eventual HOFer Tyron Smith.

Look at some of Martin’s unbelievable accomplishments as a player:
  • 7 time FIRST TEAM ALL PRO
  • 2 time SECOND TEAM ALL PRO
  • NFL All Decade Team 2010-19
  • Had 7 accepted holding penalties for his entire career (that alone is astounding)
One sad asterisk on a truly all time great player is the fact Martin will be one of only a handful of Hall of Famers to never play in a conference championship game or a Super Bowl. But what a truly awesome career.

When we see greatness like this retire, a salute and standing ovation is in order. Thank you Zack Martin!
Thank you Zack and a big thank you Bob for this post.

Much appreciated.
 
Seems like his career wet by in a heart beat, Too bad him, Smith and Fredericks couldnt enjoy success like the line in the 90s. Those 3 alone were worth a couple of championships and them not even sniffing one is a bad reflection on this organization.

Thanks for the great OL play Zack, you are a true HOFer!
 

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