Am I a bad Fan?

StarGazer1 said:
I wouldn’t consider anyone that roots for a team to lose to be a fan of that team. Why waste your time? Go find a team you like and be happy.
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Opposite. I wouldn't consider anyone a fan that is not capable of understanding that sometimes you have to lose to win.
 
kskboys said:
Opposite. I wouldn't consider anyone a fan that is not capable of understanding that sometimes you have to lose to win.
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Not questioning anyone's fanship but the fact remains any team or individual sports athlete will win, lose or tie without wanting them to win, lose or tie. This is the main reason why I have always wondered why some folks (not you necessarily) wish to root for losses.
 
I don't judge how others are as fans. I think its pretty egotistical and self-centered for anyone to think they are a better fan than the next guy. Some of us view the past 29 years as a failure, others point to the years with winning records and are happy. Its all up to each fan. While I stop short of rooting for horrible losses in hopes of embarrassing Jerry, I can see why others feel that way. I just can't understand why some fans feel they are important enough to tell another fan what is right or wrong.
 
dupree89 said:
I don't judge how others are as fans. I think its pretty egotistical and self-centered for anyone to think they are a better fan than the next guy. Some of us view the past 29 years as a failure, others point to the years with winning records and are happy. Its all up to each fan. While I stop short of rooting for horrible losses in hopes of embarrassing Jerry, I can see why others feel that way. I just can't understand why some fans feel they are important enough to tell another fan what is right or wrong.
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Bold> I would think decades of watching Jerry Jones react to losing games should provide some inner insight on what they mean to him. I mean, it is one thing to be spiteful, hoping a loss or blowout will cause Jones some form of mental anguish. The guy sets himself up for any pain he receives.

It is another thing entirely believing there will come some magical point in time, when cameras will yet again show Pissed Off Jerry Face. Then expecting Jones make an announcement he is stepping down as general manager the next day or week.

I think it is because some people think Jones feels as they do about losing. He does not. So, the expectation he will finally get fed up with losing because he cannot create a championship quality team is totally false.

How many times have we seen Jones looking stupid after losses? Sometimes elements within the losses have been historically bad. Defenses giving up boatload of rushing yards. Teams getting routed or spanked or both. Being the first to lose to a seventh seeded playoff team in the wild card round AT home.

The stuff did not phase him enough to finally say to himself 'I have had enough' in his 70's, 60's and 50's. But it is supposed to finally kick in for him in his 80's? Talk about pipe dreams, lol.

/rant
 
dupree89 said:
I don't judge how others are as fans. I think its pretty egotistical and self-centered for anyone to think they are a better fan than the next guy. Some of us view the past 29 years as a failure, others point to the years with winning records and are happy. Its all up to each fan. While I stop short of rooting for horrible losses in hopes of embarrassing Jerry, I can see why others feel that way. I just can't understand why some fans feel they are important enough to tell another fan what is right or wrong.
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X a zillion. I really don't comprehend, it's like they get off to telling someone that they're not a true fan. Really really weird. Only thing that makes sense is that they're chockfull of narcissism and cannot see anything but their own little self.
 
DallasEast said:
Bold> I would think decades of watching Jerry Jones react to losing games should provide some inner insight on what they mean to him. I mean, it is one thing to be spiteful, hoping a loss or blowout will cause Jones some form of mental anguish. The guy sets himself up for any pain he receives.

It is another thing entirely believing there will come some magical point in time, when cameras will yet again show Pissed Off Jerry Face. Then expecting Jones make an announcement he is stepping down as general manager the next day or week.

I think it is because some people think Jones feels as they do about losing. He does not. So, the expectation he will finally get fed up with losing because he cannot create a championship quality team is totally false.

How many times have we seen Jones looking stupid after losses? Sometimes elements within the losses have been historically bad. Defenses giving up boatload of rushing yards. Teams getting routed or spanked or both. Being the first to lose to a seventh seeded playoff team in the wild card round AT home.

The stuff did not phase him enough to finally say to himself 'I have had enough' in his 70's, 60's and 50's. But it is supposed to finally kick in for him in his 80's? Talk about pipe dreams, lol.

/rant
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Yup.
 
It's hard not to lose interest or be negative with this team. I relegated myself to being happy with good seasons and not expecting more a long time ago. But 7 good seasons out of the last 28 is just ridiculous. The next 5 years will be the same. Wish there'd be some at least hope for me to at least think dallas could be a contender but havent thought that since 07. Was feeling good about 2014 but ended as expected.
 
DallasEast said:
Not questioning anyone's fanship but the fact remains any team or individual sports athlete will win, lose or tie without wanting them to win, lose or tie. This is the main reason why I have always wondered why some folks (not you necessarily) wish to root for losses.
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The reason is simple. Here's the steps:

1. You realize that your team needs an influx of talent.
2. You realize that the further toward the front of the draft you are, the more likely you are to get said talent.
3. You realize that winning takes you further from the goal.
4. So, you root for a loss knowing that it increases the likelihood of getting better, maybe even into super bowl contention.

Does it make a difference where you draft? Of course. The more toward the front the better, that's just obvious. Now, some years it matters very little, some years it matters a ton.

Rooting to win every little game no matter what is a personal decision that I respect. So, someone rooting for better resources should also be respected. Hey, I don't understand everyone's fanhood, no one does. But the loyalty to a team should be respected no matter what. There is no good reason to throw little digs at someone who roots for different things that you do.

Do I root for losses? At time, yes. Why? Because I am such a deepseated fan that I would rather root for future success than one little win that does not mean anything except for maybe the self satisfaction. Do I look down on someone who roots for wins no matter ? Absolutely not, that is their way of being a fan, great respect.
 
This isn't even really the Cowboys anymore. This is like the 30th year of the Jones Boys GM Failure Tour.

I don't want to spend another year of my life with the knowledge of already knowing how it ends.

Being a fan doesn't mean being stupid. I don't see any sort of organizational change that says this is going to be a success, so why dump a bunch of time when I have a decent idea of how it's going to end?
 
I dont think there is one true definition ** a fan but I lived and died with the Cowboys growing up in the 70s (unhealthy maybe? IDK) so my expeactations are unrealistic I admit. What frustrates me about the last 30 years is that the Owner could have hired competent individuals to run this team and maybe we could have sniffed another SB. Because he didn't Im still frustrated, with the way this last year went and the constant blabbering of nonsense like the Cowboys are still an elite FOOTBALL franchise.
 
kskboys said:
The reason is simple. Here's the steps:

1. You realize that your team needs an influx of talent.
2. You realize that the further toward the front of the draft you are, the more likely you are to get said talent.
3. You realize that winning takes you further from the goal.
4. So, you root for a loss knowing that it increases the likelihood of getting better, maybe even into super bowl contention.

Does it make a difference where you draft? Of course. The more toward the front the better, that's just obvious. Now, some years it matters very little, some years it matters a ton.

Rooting to win every little game no matter what is a personal decision that I respect. So, someone rooting for better resources should also be respected. Hey, I don't understand everyone's fanhood, no one does. But the loyalty to a team should be respected no matter what. There is no good reason to throw little digs at someone who roots for different things that you do.

Do I root for losses? At time, yes. Why? Because I am such a deepseated fan that I would rather root for future success than one little win that does not mean anything except for maybe the self satisfaction. Do I look down on someone who roots for wins no matter ? Absolutely not, that is their way of being a fan, great respect.
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You have rationalized something unquantifiable. Rooting to win does not equate any actions which the front office will or will not make. Rooting to lose does not equate to any actions which the front office will or will not make. Rooting does not make a team go up or down in draft selection.

In other words (being strictly serious), any Cowboys fan can root as hard as they want for the team to win every single game but it does not make Jones do anything different. Likewise, any Cowboys fan can root as hard for the team to lose every single game but it again does not make Jones do anything different.

There is no way around the logic. There are no loopholes. It is foolproof. Rooting and wishing have zero tangible coercive effect on other people in the real world. That includes the idiot known the world over as Jerry Jones.

What rooting does and only does, whether it is for wins or losses, is make the fans doing the rooting feel a certain way. Personally, I am fine with that. A healthy mind and spirit are always a good thing.

My problem (which I think some others agree) is whenever the implication of guilt is levied at someone else for not rooting for losses. Not only is it an illogical (sometimes intentional) peer pressure tactic. It is an unfair one since how does rooting for losses guarantee losses and mandate Jones to do exactly what the losses 'should' make him do?

Hypothetical scenario: 100% of all members on this board root for the team to lose a game, let's say against Washington in an away game. The end result is commanding Jones to fire his head coach. Dallas loses the game. Jones does not fire the head coach.

What did complete compliance with rooting for the loss accomplish? This same scenario can be substituted with other goals, such as higher draft picks, etc.

Wrapping up my rant. It puzzles me why discussion cannot simply be about what wins or losses might bring about in the long or short run. Why should it be necessary to include some irrational stipulation that another person must root for a result they have absolutely zero power in making happen in the first place? That is literally straight out of fantasy's left field.
 
Risen Star said:
Here's the test, Cowboys fans.

Go outside. Do you see the Hawaiian landscape? If not, you're a good fan.
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Kilauea has been active lately. Maybe Hawaii is not the place for a good Cowboys fan to go outside and look at the landscape. The sheer act may have been hazardous for everyone else.
 
Its actually my fellow fandom that puts me in a state of disdain for the Dallas Cowboys

You guys truly take any joy out of rooting for the Dallas Cowboys(media-content creators-posters etc)

If the Cowboys actually won the SB, I don't think I would be joyed ... I would only be relieved... Relieved that I don't have to hear about 30 years! Relieved that I don't have to hear about how bad the GM is after every loss, even in the mist of winning season's... relieved that maybe the defeatist attitude would cease... just relief... no joy

Insufferable
 
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Gameover said:
Its actually my fellow fandom that puts me in a state of disdain for the Dallas Cowboys
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Then why in the world are you paying them so much attention? You know, there is an ignore feature here, why are you still reading those who make you feel disdainful?

Sounds like a better summation is that you are looking for a reason to be upset. Why? IDK, maybe you like that state? What other possible reason could there be?
 
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