Am I a bad Fan?

[kskboys]

You have rationalized something unquantifiable. Rooting to win does not equate any actions which the front office will or will not make. Rooting to lose does not equate to any actions which the front office will or will not make. Rooting does not make a team go up or down in draft selection.

In other words (being strictly serious), any Cowboys fan can root as hard as they want for the team to win every single game but it does not make Jones do anything different. Likewise, any Cowboys fan can root as hard for the team to lose every single game but it again does not make Jones do anything different.

There is no way around the logic. There are no loopholes. It is foolproof. Rooting and wishing have zero tangible coercive effect on other people in the real world. That includes the idiot known the world over as Jerry Jones.

What rooting does and only does, whether it is for wins or losses, is make the fans doing the rooting feel a certain way. Personally, I am fine with that. A healthy mind and spirit are always a good thing.

My problem (which I think some others agree) is whenever the implication of guilt is levied at someone else for not rooting for losses. Not only is it an illogical (sometimes intentional) peer pressure tactic. It is an unfair one since how does rooting for losses guarantee losses and mandate Jones to do exactly what the losses 'should' make him do?

Hypothetical scenario: 100% of all members on this board root for the team to lose a game, let's say against Washington in an away game. The end result is commanding Jones to fire his head coach. Dallas loses the game. Jones does not fire the head coach.

What did complete compliance with rooting for the loss accomplish? This same scenario can be substituted with other goals, such as higher draft picks, etc.

Wrapping up my rant. It puzzles me why discussion cannot simply be about what wins or losses might bring about in the long or short run. Why should it be necessary to include some irrational stipulation that another person must root for a result they have absolutely zero power in making happen in the first place? That is literally straight out of fantasy's left field.

Of course not, that's just stating the obvious. However, what you're missing is that since rooting has no basis as far as consequences, why root at all? I root because I am a fan, loyal and long seated. What I desire is super bowl contention. So, why would anyone have a problem w/ my rooting for what I perceive as the best way to get there?

It's the opposite. The rooters for wins are constantly putting the others down. The rooters for the future are simply responding. Look at this thread. Guys started it to emote, to get his feelings out. He was not in any way putting down someone rooting for wins. And what follows? The usual, posters putting others down for the way they choose to be a fan.

I couldn't agree w/ your last sentence more!!!! That is what I'm interested in, the discussion as to what we need to take the next step. The personal attacks are silly and completely unnecessary. Not only do they bring nothing to the discussion, they hinder it, as well as bringing bad feelings and ruining any context that was being attempted.

 

[DallasEast]

However, what you're missing is that since rooting has no basis as far as consequences, why root at all?

You may have overlooked what I stated was the purpose of rooting.

 

[plymkr]

Man...good health and recovery to BOTH of your dads brother.

Thank you, I appreciate it. My dad is healing pretty well. We were blessed.

 

[kskboys]

You may have overlooked what I stated was the purpose of rooting.

Ah, sorry. Just looked, and I agree.

So the issue becomes fans attacking other fans because they choose to root a certain way. Since, as you say, it has zero bearing on anything, why in the world would anyone have a problem w/ any way of rooting?

 

[plymkr]

Yep, I take this team way too seriously.
Eternity is what matters, and who you spend it with.

Definitely, last week I didn’t care much about football, spent a lot of time praying and waiting. Really puts things in perspective.

 

[DallasEast]

Ah, sorry. Just looked, and I agree.

So the issue becomes fans attacking other fans because they choose to root a certain way. Since, as you say, it has zero bearing on anything, why in the world would anyone have a problem w/ any way of rooting?

This is just my perspective, which anyone can agree or disagree with. My opinion is two-sided.

First, there is more to life than winning but winning is a positive goal. As Herm Edwards famously said, "You play to win the game." So, for me, I root for the team to win regardless of any real or imaginary circumstance that is fully out of my and everyone else's control.

Second, I have zero problem with anyone rooting for this team or any team or any player to lose as long as it is not mandated for someone else to do the same. So many threads and posts start with that premise. It is a completely avoidable premise to boot. Here is an example:

"Dallas will secure the _____ slot in the draft if the team loses ___ number of games during the next few weeks."​

I would have no problem with that OP. I believe such an OP would get tons of participation from other members also. Here is how the exact same thought is usually presented by someone who believes everyone should root for the team to lose:

"Everybody root for Dallas to lose these games! If not, Dallas will end up outside the top ____ and miss picking <insert college player>!"​

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Mandating fellow members, who do not enjoy thinking about Dallas losing, to root for losses is totally unnecessary for conversation. Let's flip it though.

Mandating fellow members, who honestly believe wishing upon a star will result in either greater odds or guaranteeing a wanted objective, is equally unfair. However, what is the purpose of playing any form of competition? I mean, outside of participation sports? Do teams and/or players generally play to win? Or do teams and/or players generally and purposefully play to lose?

One is a norm. The other is not. Some people respond positively to a norm. Others do not. That is life and will readily admit it is a continual pet peeve of mine.

 

[Catpappy]

30 yrs says it all

 

[Captain-Crash]

no, you're just a slow learner. So still haven't learned this crap show will never win anything again.

yeah, and if you're not an idol worshipper we don't want to hear it, you casual fan.

 

[Catpappy]

no, you're just a slow learner. So still haven't learned this crap show will never win anything again.

yeah, and if you're not an idol worshipper we don't want to hear it, you casual fan.

Glad you’re back

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This is the first year in over 6 decades that feel I can really question my fandom. Everything from the front office, the coaching staff and to the players seems second rate. Yes, I'm an angry fan. So many years of "stupid is as stupid does" can wear on a fan that remembers when the Dallas Cowboys were the organization that people followed and admired, other teams tried to emulate, America's Team. I don't have that many years left, maybe I'm too old, maybe I expect too much. I feel like is it all a waste of time.

you are a bad fan. Shspe up or out you go!

 

[ShortRound]

Dude on New Year’s Eve my dad (87) fell down and hit his head and suffered 2 brain hematomas. Everything was going good and he was recovering and then last Monday he went to the ER and was in the hospital all week until Friday evening. He had surgery to fix 2 brain bleeds in his head. Fortunately they got it in time and he is home and making a recovery. He’ll be fine and we’re all relieved. It was a scary week tho and it’s amazing how little you care about the small things like football or Jerry Jones when things like this happens. I hope your dad is okay, hang in there, sending positive thoughts your way.

@plymkr @Ranching I hope both your fathers are doing better

 

[KJJ]

This is about the lowest the fanbase has felt about the team since the early 2000s. Jerry made an uninspiring HC hire. The Cowboys are coming off a losing season and Philly just won the SB. It’s depressing being a Cowboys fan.

 

[KJJ]

The situation could get more depressing because Philly has a team that could repeat. They have a team that’s very reminiscent of the 92 Cowboys.

 

[lk8701]

This is the first year in over 6 decades that feel I can really question my fandom. Everything from the front office, the coaching staff and to the players seems second rate. Yes, I'm an angry fan. So many years of "stupid is as stupid does" can wear on a fan that remembers when the Dallas Cowboys were the organization that people followed and admired, other teams tried to emulate, America's Team. I don't have that many years left, maybe I'm too old, maybe I expect too much. I feel like is it all a waste of time.

No. You don't owe the Dallas Cowboys anything.

 

[Redsfan_83]

I will likely watch the Draft, and be disappointed. I will likely watching pre seasaon and be disappointed...I will likely watch all 18 or whatever games next year and be disappointed...I will shake my head every time our QB is under centre....I will curse every quote I read from ownership...I will curse when we are alseep at the wheel come FA....In the end, this year made me care less if we win or lose and attribute this to feeding off the idiot ownership group we have. I can be called a bad fan but in the end the bad owners couldn't give a rats behind......45 years of being a "fan"

 

[JoeKing]

This is the first year in over 6 decades that feel I can really question my fandom. Everything from the front office, the coaching staff and to the players seems second rate. Yes, I'm an angry fan. So many years of "stupid is as stupid does" can wear on a fan that remembers when the Dallas Cowboys were the organization that people followed and admired, other teams tried to emulate, America's Team. I don't have that many years left, maybe I'm too old, maybe I expect too much. I feel like is it all a waste of time.

Sounds to me like you didn't leave the Cowboys, they left you. After reading your post I was in complete understanding and feel the same way. I am fond of my Cowboys but lately they haven't been kind to their fans. We don't watch to see them get beat at home so much. And I have about had it with the Joneses. It's clear to me they are at the root of everything wrong with the franchise. I don't see how the Cowboys can right things in my lifetime which I doubt is very long. So, I am left with the memories... 5 SB victories and a ton of great games. Not a waste of time.

 

[Hadenough]

This is the first year in over 6 decades that feel I can really question my fandom. Everything from the front office, the coaching staff and to the players seems second rate. Yes, I'm an angry fan. So many years of "stupid is as stupid does" can wear on a fan that remembers when the Dallas Cowboys were the organization that people followed and admired, other teams tried to emulate, America's Team. I don't have that many years left, maybe I'm too old, maybe I expect too much. I feel like is it all a waste of time.

The Cowboys died when Jimmy left. They have been the Browns players wearing Cowboys uniforms. They suck and Dak is garbage. Don't waste your time with this Schottenheimer idea. The final nail in the coffin for me was signing Dak. Yeah I come on here to inform the idiots that still love that clown. Don't buy this false hope Jerry is trying to sell to buy him some more time to come up with some other ideas . Commanders in one scoop of the draft have been to the NFC championship game and are getting better. Dallas is done!

 

[plymkr]

@plymkr @Ranching I hope both your fathers are doing better

Thank you, I appreciate it. My dad is getting stronger each day. Tomorrow will be a week post op and he’s up walking around. I really appreciate all the kind words and feedback I’ve gotten from this community. It means a lot and this why I always come here because the people on this board are good people. I appreciate all you guys!

 

[kskboys]

This is just my perspective, which anyone can agree or disagree with. My opinion is two-sided.

First, there is more to life than winning but winning is a positive goal. As Herm Edwards famously said, "You play to win the game." So, for me, I root for the team to win regardless of any real or imaginary circumstance that is fully out of my and everyone else's control.

Second, I have zero problem with anyone rooting for this team or any team or any player to lose as long as it is not mandated for someone else to do the same. So many threads and posts start with that premise. It is a completely avoidable premise to boot. Here is an example:

"Dallas will secure the _____ slot in the draft if the team loses ___ number of games during the next few weeks."​

I would have no problem with that OP. I believe such an OP would get tons of participation from other members also. Here is how the exact same thought is usually presented by someone who believes everyone should root for the team to lose:

"Everybody root for Dallas to lose these games! If not, Dallas will end up outside the top ____ and miss picking <insert college player>!"​

​

Mandating fellow members, who do not enjoy thinking about Dallas losing, to root for losses is totally unnecessary for conversation. Let's flip it though.

Mandating fellow members, who honestly believe wishing upon a star will result in either greater odds or guaranteeing a wanted objective, is equally unfair. However, what is the purpose of playing any form of competition? I mean, outside of participation sports? Do teams and/or players generally play to win? Or do teams and/or players generally and purposefully play to lose?

One is a norm. The other is not. Some people respond positively to a norm. Others do not. That is life and will readily admit it is a continual pet peeve of mine.

I agree w/ your pet peeve, me too on a ton of subjects. I despise others proclaiming that one is not a fan if they don't root the way that proclaimer thinks is the right way.

I actually see the opposite of what you're presenting much more often. The personal attacks on anyone who doesn't root the way the attacker thinks is appropriate are constant. They started in immediately on this thread, and that's what I see all the time.

 

[Fmart322]

This is the first year in over 6 decades that feel I can really question my fandom. Everything from the front office, the coaching staff and to the players seems second rate. Yes, I'm an angry fan. So many years of "stupid is as stupid does" can wear on a fan that remembers when the Dallas Cowboys were the organization that people followed and admired, other teams tried to emulate, America's Team. I don't have that many years left, maybe I'm too old, maybe I expect too much. I feel like is it all a waste of time.

It's not just you