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[FuzzyLumpkins]

No one is saying Maryland was worth the resources we used to get him. However, he was a very solid player who made the guys beside him better. Jimmie Jones being fresh was a major reason he made plays in the playoffs and crunch time. If you start Jimmie Jones, he isn't near the difference maker. Plus, he wasn't the greatest against the run, which makes Maryland the better choice to start as he was immoveable at DT.

Not the first time someone falls for a rotational type who comes in and makes plays because the O is worn out and susceptible to fresh legs.

He just said that because we won Super Bowls there was no reason to criticize the move. With the same brain you admit that it was not a good deal.

I also like how you then interpret my argument as being only about Jimmie Jones. You then pretend you know how they would have performed in your hypothetical. Fact is as it was, Jones made more plays.

 

[DuncanIso]

Jethro Pugh was pretty stout too,,,, plus it's fun to say "Pugh"

George Andrie too.

 

[gtb1943]

All I get from this is you think that because those Super Bowls happen the team could have made no mistakes.

Maryland for several top 50 picks and a pro bowler was not a good deal. We had to spend another first rounder to draft Robert Smith to replace the pro bowler. Maryland was a 2 down player.

need more cheese with your whine? This sort of balances out the totally accidental drafting of Emmitt Smith

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

All I get from this is you think that because those Super Bowls happen the team could have made no mistakes.

Maryland for several top 50 picks and a pro bowler was not a good deal. We had to spend another first rounder to draft Robert Smith to replace the pro bowler. Maryland was a 2 down player.

I never said, they could not have made mistakes. as a matter of fact I said every team makes mistakes. no team is 100% mistake free. including eagles who just won the superbowl.
but the goal is to get to the superbowl and win it. and we did. then why sit there and cry and complain and point out spilled milk that at this point doesn't matter.
you are finding fault and complaining about a mistake, after the fact, when the team reached and dominated teams in its ultimate goal.

and again, hindsight 2020......at the time, there was lots of uncertainty about the draft. Jimmy even had said it himself, that there were uncertainty. he said there could be players that were homeruns. at that point they wanted certainty that they could work with and manage everything else. he had a plan. executed it to perfection.

and who cares if it was a good deal or not. we won the freaking superbowl and you are complaining. not only did we win it in 92, 93. we freaking destroyed them.

 

[Chasing6]

Need to go after Eagles Milton Williams. Even if we don't get him, force the Eagles to pay more.

 

[cowboyec]

I'm pretty sure Glover wasn't here when we drafted Ware. His DTs were Spears, Canty, Ferguson, Ratliff, Bowen, Hatcher ... although several of those were DEs in the 3-4 while Ware was an OLB. Maybe you meant Ellis?

i thought they were together on the 2005 team?

 

[cowboyec]

I'm pretty sure Glover wasn't here when we drafted Ware. His DTs were Spears, Canty, Ferguson, Ratliff, Bowen, Hatcher ... although several of those were DEs in the 3-4 while Ware was an OLB. Maybe you meant Ellis?

we've had some great duo's/tandems over our☆history.

 

[gtb1943]

i thought they were together on the 2005 team?

HE was; but he really was not a fit for the 3-4
not really big enough for the NT of a 3-4

 

[gimmesix]

i thought they were together on the 2005 team?

You are correct. I forgot for some reason that Glover was here that first year. He split time with Ferguson at NT, but slowly became more of a backup because he wasn't a great fit for that version of the 3-4.

 

[plasticman]

#66 DE George Andrie 1962-1972

Double digit sacks for six consecutive years including 18.5 in 1966.

Five consecutive Pro Bowls 1966-1970.

His best game was the 1967 NFL championship game against Gree Bay (The Ice Bowl) where he had 2.5 sacks and returned a fumble for a TD.

Retired with a total of 98.5 sacks.

 

[gtb1943]

#66 DE George Andrie 1962-1972

Double digit sacks for six consecutive years including 18.5 in 1966.

Five consecutive Pro Bowls 1966-1970.

His best game was the 1967 NFL championship game against Gree Bay (The Ice Bowl) where he had 2.5 sacks and returned a fumble for a TD.

Retired with a total of 98.5 sacks.

I would argue the best unknown Cowboy we have had.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

They had a solid D and Bob Sanders was healthy through the playoffs for one of the few times. You look at that roster and not one of the D players made the Pro Bowl

Bob Sanders was one of those safeties that can transform a defense, when healthy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never said, they could not have made mistakes. as a matter of fact I said every team makes mistakes. no team is 100% mistake free. including eagles who just won the superbowl.
but the goal is to get to the superbowl and win it. and we did. then why sit there and cry and complain and point out spilled milk that at this point doesn't matter.
you are finding fault and complaining about a mistake, after the fact, when the team reached and dominated teams in its ultimate goal.

and again, hindsight 2020......at the time, there was lots of uncertainty about the draft. Jimmy even had said it himself, that there were uncertainty. he said there could be players that were homeruns. at that point they wanted certainty that they could work with and manage everything else. he had a plan. executed it to perfection.

and who cares if it was a good deal or not. we won the freaking superbowl and you are complaining. not only did we win it in 92, 93. we freaking destroyed them.

I am talking about the move in and of itself. You at no point deny that the move was awful. You just want to talk around the issue.

Generally speaking making moves like that is awful. For example, we gave up much less for Claiborne and that was widely regarded as one of the worst transactions the team has made the past few decades.

In the context of today by no means whatsoever should the Cowboys trade up for a 1T.

 

[plasticman]

I would argue the best unknown Cowboy we have had.

Certainly on the D-line.

I guess that would depend on how much a fan knows about the history of the team. They may not know about guys like Ralph Neely and John Niland.

Niland had the achievements to make him eligible for the Hall of Fame. He was a six-time Pro Bowl guard that started in two Super Bowls. Previously, he started in the Ice Bowl. Niland started in 14 playoff games. He was the Cowboys first "big guard". Guys like Nate Newton, Larry Allen, and Zack Martin follow in his footsteps.

On a sidenote, he was one of only 14 players in NFL history to be born on February 29th. Another is Cowboys LB Eric Kendricks.

 

[StuckMojo]

I would love to have a couple Russell Maryland type players on the team now.

 

[kskboys]

I would love to have a couple Russell Maryland type players on the team now.

Huge upgrade.

 

[kskboys]

I am talking about the move in and of itself. You at no point deny that the move was awful. You just want to talk around the issue.

Generally speaking making moves like that is awful. For example, we gave up much less for Claiborne and that was widely regarded as one of the worst transactions the team has made the past few decades.

In the context of today by no means whatsoever should the Cowboys trade up for a 1T.

Unless it's Vince Wilfork part deux. That guy was a game changer supreme, and a huge part of their super bowls.

 

[kskboys]

He just said that because we won Super Bowls there was no reason to criticize the move. With the same brain you admit that it was not a good deal.

I also like how you then interpret my argument as being only about Jimmie Jones. You then pretend you know how they would have performed in your hypothetical. Fact is as it was, Jones made more plays.

My Lord, I've never seen a poster ignore facts and just repeat weak points that have already been discredited to this degree..

It was not. However, he was a very good player. You are having a lot of trouble separating that. Maryland was a better player overall than Jimmie Jones, although it's hard to compare them as their duties were completely different.

How in the world are you not aware that the backups often come in for the starters and look better because they have fresh legs. Are you like really young? I understand it if you're like 15.

 

[nalam]

Williams is probably the odd man out in philly DL , with Davis and Carter being invested, if we can get him and pair with Osa it will be good, Parsons, Sam will, lawrence and kneeland will be a decent DL

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My Lord, I've never seen a poster ignore facts and just repeat weak points that have already been discredited to this degree..

It was not. However, he was a very good player. You are having a lot of trouble separating that. Maryland was a better player overall than Jimmie Jones, although it's hard to compare them as their duties were completely different.

How in the world are you not aware that the backups often come in for the starters and look better because they have fresh legs. Are you like really young? I understand it if you're like 15.

That is a lot of words simply to say, 'you are wrong.' You have nothing more.

At the end of the day, it is an opinion. Thinking you have 'discredited' anything is amusing.

You're basically giving excuses for Maryland not being more productive. Sorry that I expect more than being similar in performance to a 100+ draft choice from the first overall pick.

And again, Jones backed up both tackles. He was 15 lbs heavier than Noonan, the other backup who didn't play much, and played plenty of both spots.

I understand the dynamic with backups however the backups are not more productive typically in those instances. That dynamic is just an excuse for Maryland's inability to make plays.